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[Scotswife]

well that certainly changes the meaning doesn’t it?

Now I’m wondering what quotes you are referring to.

But that’s allright - I won’t get to it tonight anyway.
It’s bedtime.

Good night.

[Dan(9698)]

Where?

Deuteronomy 4:2

[Dan(9698)]

I’ll just chalk it up to the pot calling the kettle black.

Does it count if my mother was part Cherokee and French?

I have more Indian than Ward Churchill.

[Scotswife]

“I have more Indian than Ward Churchill.”

LOL!!
Don’t we all?

OK, you asked for it!
Any Ward Churchill comment requires the posting of this link.
Enjoy!

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2005/02/tv_classics_chu.html

OK...now I really have to get to bed...put it off long enough now.

[Dan(9698)]

How about this one, It is the one I posted the whole thing.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm

[Scotswife]

Let’s see...offhand the following come to mind....
Regarding the term “homoousion”.
That term is discussed in depth here..
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07449a.htm

The article appears to downplay the extent of Arius’s heresy...
Arianism...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm
Arius...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01718a.htm

The exile of Eusibus and the other bishop is news to me...
This is from the link on Arius...

“Two prelates shared his fate, Tehonas of Marmarica and Secundus of Ptolemais. His books were burnt. The Arians, joined by their old Meletian friends, created troubles in Alexandria. Eusebius persuaded Constantine to recall the exile by indulgent letters in 328; and the emperor not only permitted his return to Alexandria in 331, but ordered Athanasius to reconcile him with the Church. On the saint’s refusal more disturbance ensued. The packed and partisan Synod of Tyre deposed Athanasius on a series of futile charges in 335. Catholics were now persecuted; Arius had an interview with Constantine and submitted a creed which the emperor judged to be orthodox. By imperial rescript Arius required Alexander of Constantinople to give him Communion; but the stroke of Providence defeated an attempt which Catholics looked upon as sacrilege. The heresiarch died suddenly, and was buried by his own people.”

Your link says Constantine changed his mind regarding Arianism.
That is not necessarily so..Arius gave a Constantine a creed, and as far as I know we don’t know what the creed contained.
Constantine was not a theologian, and his priority was to stop the in-fighting.

The result of an emperor who has no authority in the matters of the Church attempting to force his own way is shown when Athanasius bravely refused Constantine.

I guess that is why I find it humorous when some claim Constantine was runnning the councils. The bishops would not have allowed Constantine to do that, and would have resisted him - like Athanasius wound up doing.

Athanasius believed that allowing Arius to participate in communion after being excommunicated was sacrilege.

The book I have on the early writings (Faith of the Early Fathers - Jurgens) states that when Arius returned, he died when his bowels spilled out on the street.
yuck.

Once that happened, that particular conflict was over.

[restornu]

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

It's amazing that THIS scripture is posted, yet is misunderstood by the poster!

It is you Elsie that keep misunderstanding!

The Lord was talking to Paul and at that time there the currents saints & priesthood were still on earth!

[restornu]

BTW Mormon is a name so it should be capitalized Unless you are a member of the FUNDAMENTALIST Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Then you can't even CALL yourself a MORMON (according to the ONLY church with any authority to do ANYTHING religious on this earth, the SLC city branch)

...Elsie continues to give aid and comfort those who bear thistles and thornes!

[restornu]

You have the same verses I have you just ignore the literal meanings

The question was on the birth of Jesus Christ!

What does this have to do with Luke 1 and I have also asked you kindy do not spam me!

[restornu]

Also the Same Witness to the Bible is the Same Witness to the Other standard works of the Lord!

I guess there is just no way to reason someone out of something they wuzn't reasoned into!

Are you saying that when you read the Bible the Holy Spirit does not witness to you?

From your many post I would have to suspect he does not witness to you!:)

[Elsie]

These diversion cookies are SO tasty!

Where can I buy 2 dozen of them?

[Elsie]

Actually no, the revisionist history is those who justify their political positions by claimed theological positions.

Dang!

Sounds SO much like ALL of the versions of the First Vision story!!

[Elsie]

It is part of their religon to bash those who disagree with them. If someone misreads, or misunderstands a particular thing, they should expect to be bashed.

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 
 

You have learned well; Grasshopper.

 

[Elsie]

Much better.

Hey!

You're helping THEM and not US!!!

--MormonDude(pouting...)

[fortheDeclaration]

I would say the Godhead 3 distinct being of the first born!

The Godhead are three distinct beings who have always existed together.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

And the Holy Spirit is also a person,

And I will pray to the Father and he shall send another Comforter that he may abide with you forever (Jn.14:16)

[Elsie]

Why is it, that there seems to be LOTS of ‘data’ about these old geezers from 1700 or so years ago, but hardly ANYTHING documenting the thought processes of those who started MORMONISM and brought it to what it is today?

[Elsie]

 

To: wastoute

See where it says that in effect “this is the end of the book, there isn’t any more coming so don’t look for it”

The first place it says that is in the book of Deuteronomy.

Are we to disregard everything past that?

639 posted on 01/11/2008 6:48:53 PM CST by Dan(9698)

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 Deuteronomy 4:2

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Okay; I'LL go look it up!

 

Deuteronomy 4

 1.  Hear now,  O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you.  Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you.
 2.  Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it,  but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.

 

 

See where it says that in effect “this is the end of the book, there isn’t any more coming so don’t look for it”

The first place it says that is in the book of Deuteronomy.

Are we to disregard everything past that?

[Elsie]

I have more Indian than Ward Churchill.

Which reminds me of a story I heard over the holidays....

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Did you hear that Don Imus got in trouble again out in a Denver shooping mall?

Seems like he had brought some gifts to the place where the fancy paper and bows is put on them, when he noticed the cute Native-American girl doing the work.

Striking up a conversation, he asked,

"Are you Cherokee, Sioux or an Arapahoe?"

[Elsie]

...Elsie continues to give aid and comfort those who bear thistles and thornes!

While SOMEone else turns a blind eye to the hypocracy that flows from Temple Square.

[Elsie]

What does this have to do with Luke 1 and I have also asked you kindy do not spam me!

So, YOUR 'definition' of SPAM is truth about your Organization®?