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Fox News at 3:00 PM, now dissing the Iowa Caucus(inoculating against a Huckabee and Obama win?)
Fox News(Sheperd Smith and Carl Cameron) | January 2, 2008

Posted on 01/02/2008 12:08:43 PM PST by Dane

Watching Fox news and the lead at 3:00 PM EST, was a rant by Shepherd and Carl, saying how Iowa doesn't matter, as Roger Ailes and Fox News spent millions covering it.

I guess Roger & Co, at Fox will not like the results(Huckabee and Obama winning and getting momentum).

Roger Ailes and his friend Rush Limbaugh, are not amused, thus this little hissy fit.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: carlcameron; elections; foxnews; hillary; huckabee; iowa; iowacaucus; obama; rogerailes; romney; rush; rushlimbaugh; shepherdsmith; talkradio
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1 posted on 01/02/2008 12:08:45 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane

Actually if Huckabee can hold on to win it helps Thompson more than anyone if Fred can get around 20%.


2 posted on 01/02/2008 12:10:44 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Hey Iowans: the only opinions that matter are the ones in the room voting January 3rd.)
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To: Dane

I was thinking the same thing. All this democracy and voting and stuff is getting in the way of a lot of people’s hopes and dreams.


3 posted on 01/02/2008 12:10:51 PM PST by Soliton
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To: Dane

Is this your opus?


4 posted on 01/02/2008 12:12:48 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Soliton

Exactly. Too much democracy around these days. When Hillary’s in the feds are going to come after Talk Radio and the net.

They will find some form of new control.

Count on it.


5 posted on 01/02/2008 12:13:06 PM PST by kjo
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To: Dane

Huckabee will not win Iowa. His words and actions are catching up with him. Rush Limbaugh tapped a few more nails in Huckabee’s coffin today.


6 posted on 01/02/2008 12:13:52 PM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul called Reagan a Dramatic Failure and thinks he is smarter than Abe Lincoln.)
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To: Osage Orange

Opus, uh no, just noticing the desperation in Carl and Shepherd’s voice.


7 posted on 01/02/2008 12:14:06 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

They have also continued to make excuses for Giuliani’s irrelevance in the early states.


8 posted on 01/02/2008 12:15:16 PM PST by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: Dane

I guess a little over-analyzing beats picking your toenails. ;)


9 posted on 01/02/2008 12:16:49 PM PST by Melinda
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To: Dane
Hillary's got her script ready:


10 posted on 01/02/2008 12:16:55 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: B Knotts

It’s looking more and more as though Rush and Fox are testing their ability to sway conservatives. For what unknown reason, I can’t imagine.


11 posted on 01/02/2008 12:17:21 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Mitt willingly gives up his personal freedoms to his church..why would he protect YOURS!)
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To: Dane

Huck is done anyways.


12 posted on 01/02/2008 12:17:44 PM PST by NeoCaveman (If higher cigarette taxes discourage smoking, what...do higher Income Taxes discourage? - massgopguy)
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To: Osage Orange
Is this your opus?

We can only hope.

13 posted on 01/02/2008 12:18:38 PM PST by NeoCaveman (If higher cigarette taxes discourage smoking, what...do higher Income Taxes discourage? - massgopguy)
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To: All
BTW, Shepherd just reinterated the now Rush/Roger Ailes point that Iowa voters have too much power to McCain's campaign manager and it really doesn't mean much, and that the system is "antiquated".

This after months of Fox News pushing the Iowa caucus and spending millions to cover it.

14 posted on 01/02/2008 12:19:00 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: jrooney

He sure did. He plastered McStain too.

Rush isn’t backing anyone by name, but he sure is touching on the issues that candidates have espoused, and that’s quite effective IMO.


15 posted on 01/02/2008 12:19:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Dane

Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didn’t Dean win there?


16 posted on 01/02/2008 12:19:36 PM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Free Vulcan

I think Huckabee helps McCain more than anyone.
Fred’s problem is that A Huck win in Iowa is needed to knock Romney off track from building a sweep, but in doing so Fred will probably get squeezed out by the Huckster in the South. It’s really looking like all of this is leaving Fred very little where he can go. And the Fox and the rest of the MSM will be pushing Rudy hard on Super Tuesday, saying nothing that happened before matters.


17 posted on 01/02/2008 12:21:47 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: truemiester
Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didn’t Dean win there?

Uh no, Kerry won Iowa in 04.

18 posted on 01/02/2008 12:21:49 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: truemiester

“Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didn’t Dean win there?”

No he didn’t. Which kinda tramples on your point...


19 posted on 01/02/2008 12:21:57 PM PST by UKTory
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To: truemiester

On the contrary , he lost. Eeeeeooowwwwwwwwwww!!!!


20 posted on 01/02/2008 12:22:09 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Dane

Iowa isn’t important.


21 posted on 01/02/2008 12:22:15 PM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Dane

Well the expected Iowa and New Hampshire combined vote amounts to about 0.0015% of the planned vote November 2008, so why is it problematic for Fox to point out the relative insignificance of those two primaries?

They mean very little in the overall scheme of things.


22 posted on 01/02/2008 12:22:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: truemiester

John Kerry won Iowa in 2004, and steamrolled through the rest of the nomination as a result.


23 posted on 01/02/2008 12:22:31 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: Dane
In the long run, Iowa doesn't matter. Now, with so many other states and caucuses on it's heels, whatever happens in Iowa doesn't matter much.

And no, I'm not for Huck, Hunter, etc. I like Fred.

24 posted on 01/02/2008 12:22:40 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Dane

Gee, Dane, I’m shocked, shocked that FNC has teamed up with Rush Limbaugh to torpedo your boy, Huckster! It’s all a big conspiracy to keep ole’ Aw Shucks Golly Gee Mike from becoming the POTUS. Can I get an AMEN? Please open your hymnals to p. 34...Onward Christian Fraud!!


25 posted on 01/02/2008 12:22:41 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: counterpunch

What???


26 posted on 01/02/2008 12:23:12 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: truemiester

No ,that was Kerry.


27 posted on 01/02/2008 12:23:42 PM PST by cmsgop ( MURTHA: 'I think the 'surge' is working'...)
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To: ontap

Can you make your question more specific?


28 posted on 01/02/2008 12:24:09 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: DoughtyOne
Well the expected Iowa and New Hampshire combined vote amounts to about 0.0015% of the planned vote November 2008, so why is it problematic for Fox to point out the relative insignificance of those two primaries?

Then why did Fox News spend millions to cover them.

If Fox News did not think that Iowa and New Hampshire were important, then they should have decided that months ago.

29 posted on 01/02/2008 12:24:45 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Osage Orange

30 posted on 01/02/2008 12:25:52 PM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: counterpunch

How is the Huckste3r going to squeeze Fred out in the south? Fred’s whole scheme is to hold on till South Carolina.


31 posted on 01/02/2008 12:26:44 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Dane
Then why did Fox News spend millions to cover them.

Because December is always a slow news month, and insignificant or not, people like the drama of the primaries.

32 posted on 01/02/2008 12:26:58 PM PST by Kleon
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To: Dane

That doesn’t answer the question, but then that’s as close as I’m going to get so... okay.

The Iowa Caucus isn’t worth didley. That’s the long and the short of it, and if FoxNews wants to point that out, it’s okay by me.


33 posted on 01/02/2008 12:27:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Badeye
Iowa isn’t important.

If Iowa doesn't matter, I'm certainly putting myself through a lot of unnecessary work.

34 posted on 01/02/2008 12:28:05 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Dane
Kind of sounds like the hissy-fit is coming from your end and Huckabee's.

Huckabee made his Dean moment this week with the ad stunt. That was the first time the press didn't want to buy his snake oil.


35 posted on 01/02/2008 12:28:12 PM PST by GOPyouth (Conservatives do not want Snake Oil!!!)
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To: truemiester
Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didn’t Dean win there?

No Kerry did, Dean came in near the bottom. The last polls had Dean in the lead and he was the presumptive winner...until the caucus happened.

Watch for Fred to finish second or a strong third...unless everyone comes to their senses in Iowa. In that case he wins.

36 posted on 01/02/2008 12:28:14 PM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: UKTory
“Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didn’t Dean win there?”

No he didn’t. Which kinda tramples on your point...

B.J. Clinton did not win Iowa or NH in '92, but nonetheless went on to fame and fortune.

37 posted on 01/02/2008 12:28:36 PM PST by Sans-Culotte
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To: Dane

38 posted on 01/02/2008 12:28:38 PM PST by DaveMSmith (Matt 13:9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!)
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To: Dane

They have to fill that time with something. Their just saying now what a lot of us on FR have been saying all along.


39 posted on 01/02/2008 12:28:45 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Kleon
Because December is always a slow news month, and insignificant or not, people like the drama of the primaries.

Isn't that intellectually dishonest on Fox News's part?

40 posted on 01/02/2008 12:29:14 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Home of the Dean scream, that did him in, brought out the moron in him.


41 posted on 01/02/2008 12:29:47 PM PST by boomop1
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To: ontap
They have to fill that time with something. Their just saying now what a lot of us on FR have been saying all along

Excuses, excuses.

42 posted on 01/02/2008 12:30:16 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
"Roger Ailes and his friend Rush Limbaugh, are not amused, thus this little hissy fit."

I listen to Rush nearly every day and have for years. When the nameless Huckabee campaign aide released his statement about Rush and gave Rush an excuse to open up on Huckabee (just as he was polling in first place in Iowa and beginning to move nationwide,) I thought why would anybody in Huckabee's campaign do such an idiotic thing? I don't believe anyone did. I think the aide is anonymous because it's nothing but a GOP ruse and Rush is carrying water to knock off Huckabee for them. Last, but not least, I'm no Huckabee fan, but then I'm no fan of any of them except Duncan Hunter, which means I have NO candidate.

43 posted on 01/02/2008 12:30:28 PM PST by penowa
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To: ontap

If Huckster wins Iowa, then he will become the south’s candidate of choice.
Fred is trailing Huckster in South Carolina as it is.


44 posted on 01/02/2008 12:32:07 PM PST by counterpunch (ABH - Anybody But Huckabee)
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To: greyfoxx39

Actually, Rush said today that if Hillary loses in Iowa, you can expect the main MSM talking point to be “Iowa doesn’t matter anyway.”


45 posted on 01/02/2008 12:32:07 PM PST by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: Sans-Culotte
B.J. Clinton did not win Iowa or NH in '92, but nonetheless went on to fame and fortune.

Iowa was written off by the dems in 92, because homestate Iowan Tom Harkin was running for President in 92.

46 posted on 01/02/2008 12:32:41 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Excuses, excuses.

Truth, Truth.

47 posted on 01/02/2008 12:32:46 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Free Vulcan

“Actually if Huckabee can hold on to win it helps Thompson more than anyone if Fred can get around 20%.”

I fail to follow the logic here at all.

The first problem with your scenario is that Thompson hasn’t polled 20% in an Iowa poll ever. His high watermark was 19%, which came before Huckabee’s surge and Thompson’s steady decline from that point. If Huckabee does hold onto win, then it’s hard to see where Fred gets anywhere close to 20% from. 10% is more likely.

The second problem is with the notion of a Huckabee win helping Thompson after Iowa. Thompson’s campaign was always built on the idea of launching from South Carolina. Most recent polls show Thomspon in 4th place in SC 10 - 18% behind Huckabee. How is placing third in Iowa behind Huckabee going to give Thompson momentum to overcome that? Especially considering that in the interim Thompson will be doing well to beat Ron Paul for 5th in New Hampshire and Michigan.

IMO the only scenario that gives Thompson a chance (and it would still be a longshot) at this stage is a big-style Huckabee collapse in Iowa. Maybe he would pick up some of the debris, and then it puts a lot of votes in South Carolina back in the air.

I think it’s a lot more likely though that Thompson will pull out of the contest on Friday after a 4th place in Iowa.


48 posted on 01/02/2008 12:33:43 PM PST by UKTory
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To: penowa

Knocking Huckabee off isn’t for the party elite, believe me. He’s their cup of tea.

If Rush is knocking Huckabee, McStain and other leaders off, who benefits?

It sure isn’t the RINO leadership.

It’s Fred Thompson and conservatism in general that benefits.

And yes, you do have a candidate.


49 posted on 01/02/2008 12:36:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: greyfoxx39

Rush has a very long track record for backing conservative candidates and he wants a conservative to win. Rudy, McCain, Huckabee and Romney are not conservative in general and many of their positions arrived on the campaign trail.Why are Huck supporters questioning Rush’s credentials now that he has exposed another in a long line of moderate to liberal Republicans. He has made no personal attacks just policy attacks. Rush is just being consistent.


50 posted on 01/02/2008 12:37:16 PM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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