Skip to comments.Fox News at 3:00 PM, now dissing the Iowa Caucus(inoculating against a Huckabee and Obama win?)
Posted on 01/02/2008 12:08:43 PM PST by Dane
Watching Fox news and the lead at 3:00 PM EST, was a rant by Shepherd and Carl, saying how Iowa doesn't matter, as Roger Ailes and Fox News spent millions covering it.
I guess Roger & Co, at Fox will not like the results(Huckabee and Obama winning and getting momentum).
Roger Ailes and his friend Rush Limbaugh, are not amused, thus this little hissy fit.
Actually if Huckabee can hold on to win it helps Thompson more than anyone if Fred can get around 20%.
I was thinking the same thing. All this democracy and voting and stuff is getting in the way of a lot of people’s hopes and dreams.
Is this your opus?
Exactly. Too much democracy around these days. When Hillary’s in the feds are going to come after Talk Radio and the net.
They will find some form of new control.
Count on it.
Huckabee will not win Iowa. His words and actions are catching up with him. Rush Limbaugh tapped a few more nails in Huckabee’s coffin today.
Opus, uh no, just noticing the desperation in Carl and Shepherd’s voice.
They have also continued to make excuses for Giuliani’s irrelevance in the early states.
I guess a little over-analyzing beats picking your toenails. ;)
It’s looking more and more as though Rush and Fox are testing their ability to sway conservatives. For what unknown reason, I can’t imagine.
Huck is done anyways.
We can only hope.
This after months of Fox News pushing the Iowa caucus and spending millions to cover it.
He sure did. He plastered McStain too.
Rush isn’t backing anyone by name, but he sure is touching on the issues that candidates have espoused, and that’s quite effective IMO.
Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didn’t Dean win there?
I think Huckabee helps McCain more than anyone.
Fred’s problem is that A Huck win in Iowa is needed to knock Romney off track from building a sweep, but in doing so Fred will probably get squeezed out by the Huckster in the South. It’s really looking like all of this is leaving Fred very little where he can go. And the Fox and the rest of the MSM will be pushing Rudy hard on Super Tuesday, saying nothing that happened before matters.
Uh no, Kerry won Iowa in 04.
“Iowa. Big deal. Who won it in 2004? Didnt Dean win there?”
No he didn’t. Which kinda tramples on your point...
On the contrary , he lost. Eeeeeooowwwwwwwwwww!!!!
Iowa isn’t important.
Well the expected Iowa and New Hampshire combined vote amounts to about 0.0015% of the planned vote November 2008, so why is it problematic for Fox to point out the relative insignificance of those two primaries?
They mean very little in the overall scheme of things.
John Kerry won Iowa in 2004, and steamrolled through the rest of the nomination as a result.
And no, I'm not for Huck, Hunter, etc. I like Fred.
Gee, Dane, I’m shocked, shocked that FNC has teamed up with Rush Limbaugh to torpedo your boy, Huckster! It’s all a big conspiracy to keep ole’ Aw Shucks Golly Gee Mike from becoming the POTUS. Can I get an AMEN? Please open your hymnals to p. 34...Onward Christian Fraud!!
No ,that was Kerry.
Can you make your question more specific?
Then why did Fox News spend millions to cover them.
If Fox News did not think that Iowa and New Hampshire were important, then they should have decided that months ago.
How is the Huckste3r going to squeeze Fred out in the south? Fred’s whole scheme is to hold on till South Carolina.
Because December is always a slow news month, and insignificant or not, people like the drama of the primaries.
That doesn’t answer the question, but then that’s as close as I’m going to get so... okay.
The Iowa Caucus isn’t worth didley. That’s the long and the short of it, and if FoxNews wants to point that out, it’s okay by me.
If Iowa doesn't matter, I'm certainly putting myself through a lot of unnecessary work.
Huckabee made his Dean moment this week with the ad stunt. That was the first time the press didn't want to buy his snake oil.
No Kerry did, Dean came in near the bottom. The last polls had Dean in the lead and he was the presumptive winner...until the caucus happened.
Watch for Fred to finish second or a strong third...unless everyone comes to their senses in Iowa. In that case he wins.
No he didnt. Which kinda tramples on your point...
B.J. Clinton did not win Iowa or NH in '92, but nonetheless went on to fame and fortune.
They have to fill that time with something. Their just saying now what a lot of us on FR have been saying all along.
Isn't that intellectually dishonest on Fox News's part?
Home of the Dean scream, that did him in, brought out the moron in him.
I listen to Rush nearly every day and have for years. When the nameless Huckabee campaign aide released his statement about Rush and gave Rush an excuse to open up on Huckabee (just as he was polling in first place in Iowa and beginning to move nationwide,) I thought why would anybody in Huckabee's campaign do such an idiotic thing? I don't believe anyone did. I think the aide is anonymous because it's nothing but a GOP ruse and Rush is carrying water to knock off Huckabee for them. Last, but not least, I'm no Huckabee fan, but then I'm no fan of any of them except Duncan Hunter, which means I have NO candidate.
If Huckster wins Iowa, then he will become the south’s candidate of choice.
Fred is trailing Huckster in South Carolina as it is.
Actually, Rush said today that if Hillary loses in Iowa, you can expect the main MSM talking point to be “Iowa doesn’t matter anyway.”
Iowa was written off by the dems in 92, because homestate Iowan Tom Harkin was running for President in 92.
“Actually if Huckabee can hold on to win it helps Thompson more than anyone if Fred can get around 20%.”
I fail to follow the logic here at all.
The first problem with your scenario is that Thompson hasn’t polled 20% in an Iowa poll ever. His high watermark was 19%, which came before Huckabee’s surge and Thompson’s steady decline from that point. If Huckabee does hold onto win, then it’s hard to see where Fred gets anywhere close to 20% from. 10% is more likely.
The second problem is with the notion of a Huckabee win helping Thompson after Iowa. Thompson’s campaign was always built on the idea of launching from South Carolina. Most recent polls show Thomspon in 4th place in SC 10 - 18% behind Huckabee. How is placing third in Iowa behind Huckabee going to give Thompson momentum to overcome that? Especially considering that in the interim Thompson will be doing well to beat Ron Paul for 5th in New Hampshire and Michigan.
IMO the only scenario that gives Thompson a chance (and it would still be a longshot) at this stage is a big-style Huckabee collapse in Iowa. Maybe he would pick up some of the debris, and then it puts a lot of votes in South Carolina back in the air.
I think it’s a lot more likely though that Thompson will pull out of the contest on Friday after a 4th place in Iowa.
Knocking Huckabee off isn’t for the party elite, believe me. He’s their cup of tea.
If Rush is knocking Huckabee, McStain and other leaders off, who benefits?
It sure isn’t the RINO leadership.
It’s Fred Thompson and conservatism in general that benefits.
And yes, you do have a candidate.
Rush has a very long track record for backing conservative candidates and he wants a conservative to win. Rudy, McCain, Huckabee and Romney are not conservative in general and many of their positions arrived on the campaign trail.Why are Huck supporters questioning Rush’s credentials now that he has exposed another in a long line of moderate to liberal Republicans. He has made no personal attacks just policy attacks. Rush is just being consistent.
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