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Battle Over Possible Euthanasia of New York Teenager Gets Pro-Life Attention
Life News ^ | 1/1/08 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 01/02/2008 3:57:55 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: floriduh voter

Am still keeping watch on Javona, but lots of media silence at the moment. Will persevere.


51 posted on 01/06/2008 4:15:43 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; floriduh voter; amdgmary
How many Kings? King of spades, King of clubs, King of hearts? How many Jim Kings? Or is it a Land O'Lakes buttering up? This is from St. Pete Times...

King, a Land O' Lakes Republican, is the underdog candidate running against Brown-Waite, R-Brooksville, in the 5th Congressional District. King filed a complaint last week alleging the federal law aimed at keeping patients' medical information confidential, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, was violated during the preparation and presentation of an informational hearing about veterans' health care at the James A. Haley VA Medical Center in Tampa.

~Snip~

But wait. There's a problem with King attacking her on any of those issues. It seems his platform is even more conservative than Brown-Waite's. Other than billing himself as the "true" conservative," his issues are her issues.

So, perhaps it will be up to King to point out where Brown-Waite has not toed the party's conservative line. In that case, he'll have to bring up her support of embryonic stem cell research and her opposition to the House's intervention in the Terri Schiavo controversy. Heck, he even might need to pin her down on abortion, an issue that has been a moving target for her over the years.

King must focus on big trees to win seat

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52 posted on 01/06/2008 4:28:57 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
This thread from wagglebee describes a remarkable win of pro life values from those who would decide who dies.

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OXFORD, January 4, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The quintuplets of a Russian couple were born in the UK after doctors in Russia denied them care unless they aborted some of them.

Dimitri and Varvara Artamkin, both Russian natives, gave birth to five girls at the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford last month. Each of the babies now weighs 3 pounds 3 ounces, and they have been separated since birth so they can undergo incubation in two hospitals.

Dmitri, a mathematics professor, says that the children are each a gift from God.

"We believe God has given them to us as a gift and sent us here, to Britain, to give them the best possible chance," he said. "We don't yet know when we'll be able to take them home - it depends on the progress they make. But we're praying it will be soon."..................

Quintuplets Born in UK in Defiance of Medical Pressure to Abort

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53 posted on 01/06/2008 4:36:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Fred Thompson picks up more endorsements pro life...

Thread by wagglebee.

MC LEAN, Va., Jan. 5 /Christian Newswire/ -- Today Fred Thompson announced the endorsement of Citizens for Life, the New Hampshire affiliate of the National Right to Life Committee.

Fred Thompson Announces Endorsement of Citizens for Life (New Hampshire)

54 posted on 01/06/2008 4:42:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Rudy is attacked for his abortion bent.

Thread by wagglebee.

MEDIA ADVISORY, Jan. 5 /Christian Newswire/ -- Pro-life activist Joseph Landry confronted Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani for Giuliani's support of child-killing by abortion in New Hampshire:

Pro-lifer Confronts Giuliani During Speech -- 'You are a baby killer'

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55 posted on 01/06/2008 4:49:45 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee
Lest we sell short our youth even in these times...

Thread by wagglebee:

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7th and 8th graders say the most remarkable things. That truth is being born out through some of the entries to the 2008 Pennsylvania Pro-Life Essay contest.

Students at St. Francis Xavier school in Gettysburg recently submitted their essays for the contest, which ends March 1st. Some of their insights are truly amazing.

~Snip~

Or consider this insight about the Terri Schiavo case from a boy named Michael:

"(Terri) Schiavo as you may know was euthanized because she no longer had any worth to her husband."

Are Your Smarter Than a 7th-Grader? What Pro-Life Teens Say About Abortion

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56 posted on 01/06/2008 4:57:05 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...

57 posted on 01/06/2008 5:49:48 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee
"Smith says he sympathizes with the father and the pressure he is under to take Peters' life."

That's telling it like it is.

Prayers for Javona and her dad.

Glad to see the Schindlers are still fighting the good fight. I don't think it's coincidence that there have been so many people "miraculously" waking up from coma, and recovering from PVS, lately.

58 posted on 01/06/2008 11:23:40 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for president Bush. Pray for our troops. Pray for congress, Pray for our nation.)
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To: 8mmMauser

bttt for Jovana. The graphic is freeper created to be downloaded and sent everywhere! Permission to plaster all over the internet is authorized by the creator.


59 posted on 01/06/2008 11:52:14 AM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Fred Thompson was invited to meet with Bobby Schindler. Will he take up the invitation here in Florida? If he won’t, I can’t support his candidacy. This is a civil rights, disability rights matter as well as a religious right - to live, that is.


60 posted on 01/06/2008 11:54:55 AM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: Politicalmom
Please see #60. Bobby Schindler invited all GOP candidates by letter and I invited Fred Thompson via Florida staffers to meet with Bobby Schindler. If Fred would do that, Terri supporters may give him a closer look. He flip flopped on Terri and Bobby wants to talk to Fred about disability rights. If you know anyone who can urge Fred to contact Bobby (his birthday today), they just need to visit www.terrisfight.org

Mitt Romney so far is the only GOP candidate to meet with Terri's brother. Why won't Fred? I appreciate if you can find out. If you can do this for us and get a response from Camp Thompson, please freepmail me.

There are millions of Terri supporters out there who are for disability rights.

61 posted on 01/06/2008 12:00:44 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser; Lesforlife; wagglebee; amdgmary; Sun; Dante3; BykrBayb
Media silence may be good. It may mean the family is reconsidering in Javona's favor. Besides, I talked to a disability advocate yesterday.

EVEN UNDER THE NOW DECEASED, CREEPY DR. CRANFORD'S STANDARDS, a diagnosis of PVS until many months or a year has passed is PREMATURE.

ARE ANY LAWS RE: PVS GUIDELINES BEING VIOLATED? This could throw the euthansiasts and mom under the bus if it is waaaay too soon to write Javona off.

Googling Dr. Cranford, googling Dr. Cranford. (watch for the disability groups to step up their involvement. They are NOT the religious right. They are a separate entity re: disability rights.

The MSM likes to paint these matters as battles between religious zealotry and science. WRONG!

We must not forget the disabled community and their powerful coalition.

62 posted on 01/06/2008 12:10:39 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter; 8mmMauser; Lesforlife; amdgmary; Sun; Dante3; BykrBayb
Media silence may be good. It may mean the family is reconsidering in Javona's favor.

Very good point. The WORST thing that can happen is for George Felos or a similar vulture to get in contact with Javona's family and convince them that she needs to be murdered to further the culture of death's agenda.

63 posted on 01/06/2008 12:18:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 8mmMauser; floriduh voter; wagglebee

She is such a beautiful young lady, and they don’t even want to give her a chance.


64 posted on 01/06/2008 12:43:55 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Lesforlife

Ambien is reviving pvs and coma patients. It’s also helping autistic people.


65 posted on 01/06/2008 12:44:46 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser; wagglebee; BykrBayb; bjs1779; Dante3; Sun; Lesforlife; amdgmary
People seeing patients lying there sometimes want the patient gone to stop their anxiety, not the patient's. It sounds like mom doesn't have peace and thinks ending her daughter's life suddenly will bring mom peace. It won't. Her anxiety about hospital beds and tubes will just turn into overwhelming guilt.

Let us not destroy lives because life is uncomfortable or not normal enough for us to handle.

Mom needs to pray and talk to her daughter because Jovana may very well hear her.

66 posted on 01/06/2008 12:51:13 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter; All

“Media silence may be good. It may mean the family is reconsidering in Javona’s favor. Besides, I talked to a disability advocate yesterday.”

That sounds encouraging.

Let’s all pray.


67 posted on 01/06/2008 12:53:55 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: 8mmMauser

Marine John Graziano can open his eyes. He’s a patient at Haley Med Ctr in Tampa. (his parent’s atty is bushnail. that’s a scary proposition).


68 posted on 01/06/2008 12:54:59 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Fox Sports Update: Did the Bus lose? Yes. Bye, bye, Bucs. Giants 24 to 14.


69 posted on 01/06/2008 12:57:43 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: wagglebee

Keep George Felos out of my state (NY).


70 posted on 01/06/2008 12:59:26 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: All; floriduh voter

“Peters’ parents are disagreeing on whether or not to remove her feeding tube and take her life.”

Nourishment (feeding tube) is ordinary means; not extraordinary means.

I agree that the mom will probably feel guilty if she does not allow her daughter’s nourishment to continue.


71 posted on 01/06/2008 1:02:57 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun

Without nutrition or hydration, who among us would stay healthy?


72 posted on 01/06/2008 1:05:16 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter

“Without nutrition or hydration, who among us would stay healthy?”

Good point.


73 posted on 01/06/2008 1:23:29 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: floriduh voter

I wonder if there’s anyting we can do at this point in time.

Of course, prayer. I just asked my husband to pray, too.


74 posted on 01/06/2008 1:24:31 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: wagglebee; bdeaner; Huber; James R. McClure Jr.; motoman; mgist; gpapa; roughman; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic Ping List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

75 posted on 01/06/2008 1:34:33 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Sun
I say we sit tight until the leading disability coalitions start to speak out. There are over 30 disability organizations and until we hear from them regarding Jovana, we can go here and see if they have issued any statements:

www.notdeadyet.com or .org (I can't remember dot what).

76 posted on 01/06/2008 2:23:30 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter

“www.notdeadyet. “

Great organization!


77 posted on 01/06/2008 2:33:15 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun
I was emailed Obama's church's web site. People should read it over before they hit election day.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

78 posted on 01/06/2008 3:49:46 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: wagglebee

A guardian needs to act in the best interests of the child and NO child’s best interest include being killed.


Perfect!


79 posted on 01/06/2008 3:51:24 PM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: 8mmMauser
Glenn Beck just had a horrific hospital experience. Glenn has lots of listeners/watchers here at FR. This is just a summary. He's been through hell for over two weeks now. He's not been on vacation.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/beck_surgery_goes_horribly_awry_74231.asp

80 posted on 01/06/2008 4:10:23 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: 8mmMauser
I wonder if Glenn was in a New York Hospital. He's supposedly on the radio tomorrow at 9 am est tomorrow.

Google search:January 4, 2008

Glenn Beck Botched Surgery Points to State of Healthcare in America (video) see link above

Glenn Beck, host of the Glenn Beck Show on CNN and radio personality, has released a video where he shares his recent planned surgery experience that “went horribly awry”. Unfortunately it appears there were problems and Glenn seemed to indicate they were in regards to the way the hospital treated him (”phenomenally bad”), how this affects anyone looking to receive healthcare in America (”…this is a hospital where the president of GE goes. If they don’t care about the president of GE well, will they care about the shlubs, average working stiffs?”), the effects of the drugs and how he would chose a ‘handgun to his head over taking more medicine’. Not sure where this is going to go, but he mentioned that he will talk more about it on his radio and television shows this upcoming Monday. We wish Glenn a speedy recovery. Stay tuned, could be interesting.

Was Glenn in Jovana's hospital????? That would be quite the coincidence.

81 posted on 01/06/2008 4:17:27 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: floriduh voter

All of the current Dem presidential candidates support partial-birth infanticide, including “sweet” Obama.

The Dem Party is the Party of death.


82 posted on 01/06/2008 5:12:57 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun

There’s a book called The Party of Death. It came out last year. (it’s about the dems)


83 posted on 01/06/2008 5:59:58 PM PST by floriduh voter (TERRI'S DAY MARCH 31, 2008 Remember Terri's hopes & fears, not the cowards.)
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To: wagglebee

She is a beautiful child. I pray for a miracle for her.


84 posted on 01/06/2008 9:19:07 PM PST by Palladin (Romney: "I was for abortion before I was against abortion.")
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To: All; Lesforlife
My earlier link to a wagglebee thread on a Rudy moment located at #55 above does not work. Thanks for the tip, Les. Here it is again:

Pro-lifer Confronts Giuliani During Speech -- 'You are a baby killer'

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85 posted on 01/07/2008 2:57:05 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Huckabee and Terri...

It is in the New York Times today.

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On the same program, the former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, the winner of the Iowa Republican caucuses, faced challenges to his own consistency on the subjects of the war in Iraq and the Congressional intervention in the case of Terri Schiavo, the long-comatose Florida woman. Religious conservatives and anti-abortion groups protested when Ms. Schiavo’s husband decided to shut down her life support system, as they argued that no life should end prematurely.

Confronted with a past statement expressing his reservations about the effect of President Bush’s Iraq troop “surge” on National Guard units, Mr. Huckabee argued that he both supported the surge and, as chief of the Arkansas National Guard, worried about the overstretching of the American military and its National Guard troops.

Mr. Huckabee also sought to reconcile one statement expressing doubts about federal authority to intervene in Ms. Schiavo’s state-court case and another statement supporting the idea as an intervention “on the side of life.” Mr. Huckabee deflected the question, launching into a monologue characterizing his support for “life,” and opposition to abortion rights as part of a larger belief in human equality regardless of “net income,” “I.Q.” or other social status.


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86 posted on 01/07/2008 3:10:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; bjs1779; BykrBayb; floriduh voter
Huckabee and Terri...

It is in the National Review Online today.

If they still had an editor like Tim Wheeler, our T'wit, they would have caught the mistake of spelling Terri's name inter alia. May we recall, George Steponalluvus embodies the essence of the left and is thereby obsessed with the burden of Terri's Legacy as he was in nagging Fred Thompson..

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Hammering Huck   [Jonathan Adler]

Huckabee's gotten pretty much a free pass from interviewers over his past false statements, flip-flops, and outrageous past positions. That said, George Stephanopolous hit Huckabee pretty hard on ABC's This Week this morning, hammering away on his misstatements abot the surge, his flip flip on whether the federal government should have intervened in the Terry Schiavo case (which mirrors his change on the federal role in abortion). Now that he's a front-runner, he's finally getting the scrutiny — and tough questions — that he deserves.

Hammering Huck

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87 posted on 01/07/2008 3:21:37 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Huckabee and Terri

National Review Online again, this time from Mark Levin...

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One More Go at It   [Mark R. Levin]

Andrew writes, citing another: “You quote Olsen writing "Mr. Huckabee offers the Republican Party a new political narrative, light years removed from the limited government principles governing the GOP in the Reagan and post-Reagan era." This would be funny if it weren't so sad. As a small government fiscal conservative I'm amazed that someone as knowledgeable as Mr. Olsen could write such nonsense. Under Bush and his congressional enablers we got Medicare Part-D, The 2005 Transportation Act, No Child left Behind, an explosion of earmarks, intervention in the Schiavo case, the ongoing scandal and waste of the Ag bills and on and on. Really what part of this represents "Limited Government" in the post-Reagan era? The fact that he borrowed instead of taxed to do it does not make this fiscal conservative happy, that's just taxing a future generation. Huckabee is a kinder gentler Bush III.”

Let me try this one more time, not to convince you Andrew, but for others who aren't bored out of their socks by this.

The Senate voted unanimously or near unanimously in the Schiavo case, Andrew, as did most of the House, to pass legislation authorizing federal courts to review the state's court decision - something that is routinely granted in capital cases without legislation from Congress.  I don't want to argue, endlessly, the Schiavo case again, but it does not prove your point.  I am glad they did and wrote so at the time.  Furthermore, it is preposterous to argue, with little more in your case, that evidence of the Republican party turning into a European Christian Democrat-style party can be found in the party's spending.  By such reasoning, maybe it's becoming a socialist party.  Maybe the Rockefeller wing has finally prevailed. Maybe, if, whatever.  This proves that Republicans are aping liberals (European and American liberals, I might add.)................................. 

One More Go at It

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88 posted on 01/07/2008 3:28:18 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
What a wicked Webb-site we weave, or they do in the UK (or not.)...

Maybe the motto should be "We retort, you divide."

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...................................Gradually, he began to air the issue. "I became very interested in this idea that we were selling ourselves and America short," he says. "And in the great clash of ideas around the world, I don't think the US always gets credit for providing the cultural and physical underpinning that allows all the rest of us to have all the arguments that we have."

An edition of From Our Own Correspondent about the severely brain-damaged Terri Schiavo's right to die was widely picked over in cyberspace. In it, Webb declared: "America is often portrayed as an ignorant, unsophisticated sort of place, full of bible-bashers and ruled to a dangerous extent by trashy television, superstition and religious bigotry . . . I know that is how it is portrayed as I have done my bit to paint that picture . . ."

It was a startling piece of self-flagellation. When pushed on the issue, Webb now says his criticism is less about British reporters "getting the story wrong" than "wilfully going for those gosh-aren't-Americans-weird stories"..................................

'I'm a real admirer of American patriotism'

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89 posted on 01/07/2008 3:40:01 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Ol' Sparky; narses
Huckabee...

Thread by Ol' Sparky. Thanks, narses, for the ping.

There's a species of Republican true believers in Arkansas who've always suspected his bona fides as an honest-to-goodness fiscal conservative and social reactionary. Much the same anti-Huckabee line is now being repeated by the high-powered Club for Growth, which has launched an all-out effort to dub the Huck just another tax-and-spender.

The Club has a point - but only on paper. When you compare the dramatic tax cuts enacted early in the Huckabee administration with the later tax increases, you come up with some $500 million in additional taxes.............

Mike Huckabee: He left Arkansas a better state

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90 posted on 01/07/2008 3:47:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; redlocks322; floriduh voter
Glenn Beck, a supporter of Terri, now is facing his own bout with medical institutions. Thanks, FV, for the ping to thread by redlocks322.

Does anyone know what happened to Glenn? I saw some of his you tube video and he looks horrible. Just guessing but from the little big I heard it sounded like the hospital gave him the wrong medicine or something after surgery...

Glenn Beck health problem?

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91 posted on 01/07/2008 4:02:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All

"We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest."

92 posted on 01/07/2008 4:08:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Sun

Prayers.


93 posted on 01/07/2008 7:57:26 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Dante3

“Prayers.”

Amen


94 posted on 01/07/2008 8:19:19 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
Bobby Schindler defines direction...

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Was the government right to get involved in Terri Schiavo’s death? Did the court overstep its bounds when it ordered the disabled 41-year-old woman’s feeding tube removed? Will the debate over euthanasia be a factor in the upcoming election?

These are some of the questions Chris Mitchell, president of the Florida Chautauqua Center, hopes Bobby Schindler, Schiavo’s brother, will answer at the 13th Annual Florida Chautauqua Assembly. Schindler opens the assembly with a keynote speech at 10 a.m. on Jan. 31 at First United Methodist Church in DeFuniak Springs. Mitchell said he wants the assembly to educate voters.

Schiavo died March 31, 2005, 13 days after a judge ordered her feeding tube removed. Schiavo collapsed in 1990 for unknown reasons at her home and had no living will. Schiavo’s husband, Michael Schiavo, said it was his wife’s wish that she wanted to die if she became disabled and was unable to care for herself.

Schindler said he now wants to raise awareness for the families and people dealing with similar situations.

Schiavo brother speech

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95 posted on 01/08/2008 3:47:12 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Hearing it from the left with their warble which will never "change"...

Whether from the Obama Nation or from cuddly Killary, the tune does not change. But yes, the choir chimes change. Is it chump change or the kind of pennies and nickels rattling in pockets? In situations where anyone would want to save an innocent life like that of Terri, they demand change.

It runs deep. Their pals in socialist and communist thrusts sometimes succeeded in invoking change, with examples like Cuba and Zimbabwe coming to mind. The thrust never changes. And the left cries this time it will work.

Are we happy with a great country full of prosperity and success the world has never seen, a country with near full employment, freedoms like few countries left? That is what they mean to change. Why be happy when we can be like Zimbabwe?

The social agenda issues -- which Republicans sometimes like to label "values" -- came to flower in American politics with the Reagan Revolution. The Gipper used the social issues to cement the loyalty of the once-Democratic South to the GOP. It's one of the nice ironies of American politics that the South, the Bible Belt, the most overtly religion-touting region of the country, was also a hotbed of death -- by electrocution in most cases or occasionally (especially for blacks) by hanging from a neighborhood tree.

It took some time, but eventually the social issue warriors discovered that Reagan gave them little but lip service and, to add insult to injury, also gave them Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, a bulwark against repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which legalized abortion.

Unlike Reagan, George W. Bush really bought into the social wedge issues, even injecting himself and the federal government -- with disastrous judicial results -- into the Terri Schiavo case................

Change in key issues is bad news for the GOP

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96 posted on 01/08/2008 4:19:46 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Karl Marx must be turning over in his barbecue spit, realizing his children echo so forcefully his themes. In this thread by wagglebee, top leftist candidates vie for the title of the most committed mass killers. Is it Killary who is the greatest at snuff or is it she who is crazy and is it Barak Hussain?

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire, January 7, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Following her crushing defeat in Iowa, Hillary Clinton has decided to attack Barack Obama on different ground: she is claiming that he is not as committed to abortion as she is, hoping to cast doubt that Obama is pro-abortion enough to make an acceptable Democratic president.

Clinton to Obama: You're not as Pro-Abortion as Me

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97 posted on 01/08/2008 4:43:34 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Poor Killary...

Now she is accused of suboptimal blood thirst for euthanasia.

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Some of my friends who are Hillary Clinton supporters have been feeling sad and bitter since Iowa punctured the aura of invincibility around her campaign. But she’s recovered from that loss to win New Hampshire. It appears there could be a long, close race ahead.
I’ve felt sad about her, too, especially since she almost broke down at an appearance Monday. This is such a grueling and public process, full of ups and downs.

~Snip~

None of us can presume to understand what goes on in another’s marriage, so I didn’t join those critics who blamed Hillary for staying with Bill. I was thrilled when she ran for the Senate and got her chance to shine and lead.
But then that fearless, progressive voice started to get muffled. She not only voted for the Iraq war and increased spending for it; she still won’t admit she was wrong. She accepted money from the very health-care industry that fought her on health-care reform.
And as the late columnist Molly Ivins pointed out, she clammed up when it came to a spectacle like the Terri Schiavo right-to-die battle, but made a big deal in support of an anti-flag-burning amendment.
So it doesn’t work to cast herself as the “change” candidate. But relying on her husband to claim the mantle of experience didn’t quite work here either.

Basu: Clinton camp must accept blame for problems

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98 posted on 01/09/2008 3:19:06 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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With the latest buzzword,"change" the projection word of the far left, the old lie lauded loud and long reappears, the message that Americans want innocents like Terri killed and want those who defend her to be reviled.

As we know the lefties shout change but they will never change. They want us to change. But Farmer plows ahead, with an interesting comment by a reader at the end...

Unlike Reagan, George W. Bush really bought into the social wedge issues, even injecting himself and the federal government -- with disastrous judicial results -- into the Terri Schiavo case.

As Bush's term winds down, even the social conservatives know that the country is overwhelmingly rejecting him -- and with him the administration's exploitation of the social issue agenda as a political wedge.

Change in key issues is bad news for GOP

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99 posted on 01/09/2008 3:40:57 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Hmmmm...

Cruel executions:

he paper went on to note that lethal injection is the most humane method available and is a vast improvement over prior punishments, such as hanging and the electric chair. “Once tried and convicted of a felony,” the paper concluded, “you have given up the right to live how you want. It also means that if you are sentenced to death, you’ve given up the right to die how you want. Not ironically, it’s the same right that murderers took away from their victims.” In the current Supreme Court case, Justice Scalia questioned attorney Verrilli about the argument that the state must use the least painful methods of execution: “We have approved electrocution. We have approved death by firing squad. I expect both of these have more possibilities of painful death than the protocol here. But where is it written that the state must choose the least painful method? Is that somewhere in the Constitution?”

An editorial in the North County Gazette (New York State) wondered why lethal injection is cruel, but death by dehydration over a 13-day period is not. The editorial was referring to Terri Schiavo, allowed by the Supreme Court to die by starvation and dehydration, a process that took nearly two weeks. Schiavo had been in a lengthy coma, disabled and unable to speak. Justice Anthony Kennedy refused to allow the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to hear Schiavo’s case. Subsequently, her husband, Michael Schiavo was permitted to remove his wife’s feeding tube, setting in motion 13 days of starvation and dehydration.

Another execution that has been put on hold is that of Ohio inmate Jeffrey Lundgren, convicted of fatally shooting a family of five. Lundgren now claims that lethal injection would be a cruel way to put him to death and is part of a class action suit that challenges Ohio’s method of execution. Court transcripts show that Lundgren carried the youngest of the murdered children around on his shoulders before shooting her.

Supreme Court hears lethal injection case

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100 posted on 01/09/2008 3:45:42 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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