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The unspeakable practice of female circumcision that's destroying young women's lives in Britain
Daily Mail ^ | 3 January 2008 | Jo-Ann Goodwin and David Jones

Posted on 01/03/2008 8:43:55 AM PST by Lorianne

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To: thinking

You’re right. I hate the slanted wording. Whether male or female, it’s clearly involuntary genital alteration.


81 posted on 01/03/2008 1:17:09 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: feinswinesuksass
What do you have against the foreskin?

Nothing. But I DO have a problem with people conflating circumcision with FGM. It happens on almost every thread here on FGM, and it is pathetic.

In case you didn't notice, this thread isn't about "the foreskin". Its about little girls being mutilated, never to have the chance to experience the pleasure of sex. There was never a mention of circumcision in the original post.

In this day & age, cleaniless is not a great reason to remove sensitive tissue.

I never mentioned cleanliness, you must have me confused with someone else.

82 posted on 01/03/2008 1:17:19 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: swain_forkbeard
it’s clearly involuntary genital alteration.

Not "alteration"

It's MUTILATION...

83 posted on 01/03/2008 1:22:33 PM PST by FredHead47
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To: feinswinesuksass

I think most men in the USA accept the male version of invlountary genital alteration (IGA) because they themselves have been altered. So they accept it. And rationalize it. To do otherwise would be, for men, to reject oneself and one’s masculinity. It’s very personal.


84 posted on 01/03/2008 1:25:27 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard
So they accept it. And rationalize it. To do otherwise would be, for men, to reject oneself and one’s masculinity. It’s very personal.

Wouldn't this same argument apply to men that have not been circumcised?

85 posted on 01/03/2008 1:28:05 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: FredHead47

I agree that it is mutilation. Why must you insist that it’s not alteration when it so clearly is?


86 posted on 01/03/2008 1:28:14 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Publius Valerius

Very good. The same argument could me made either way. Except, an uncircumsized man does not HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. He has a choice.

For the man who was cut as a baby, the choice has been removed with the foreskin. So he must accept.


87 posted on 01/03/2008 1:31:49 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Until of course “he” decides to become a “she” has the mutilation and has a bunch of foreskin put back on?

And here I thought this thread was about female genital mutilation!


88 posted on 01/03/2008 1:34:16 PM PST by tpanther
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To: swain_forkbeard
I agree that it is mutilation. Why must you insist that it’s not alteration when it so clearly is?

I assume "Alteration" is inherent in the term "Mutilation".

But, if you just want to argue, lots move on to:
Which is your favorite Brady....

I like Peter.

89 posted on 01/03/2008 1:37:02 PM PST by FredHead47
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To: swain_forkbeard
Except, an uncircumsized man does not HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. He has a choice.

A choice, but a Hobson's choice, perhaps. My understanding is that adult circumcision is, to say the least, an extremely uncomfortable procedure that is generally discouraged. It just may not be a viable option for many adults.

90 posted on 01/03/2008 1:40:16 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: tpanther

Excellent point.


91 posted on 01/03/2008 1:43:41 PM PST by FredHead47
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To: Publius Valerius

It sure wouldn’t be a viable option for me.

However, I do know a man, a father and husband, who did it. I thought he was nuts.


92 posted on 01/03/2008 1:46:04 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard; FredHead47

Fred isn’t too bright. Give him some slack.


93 posted on 01/03/2008 1:47:18 PM PST by LastBoyScout80 (On my honor, I will do my doodie..)
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To: TomB

“It happens on almost every thread here on FGM, and it is pathetic.”

Just like someone always finds a way to bring up abortion, illegal immigration and Terri. Oops, I just did all three...a trifecta. I think I won something.


94 posted on 01/03/2008 1:47:48 PM PST by Feiny (Fruitloops are Gay Cheerios)
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To: Publius Valerius
By that argument we should remove the tonsils at birth, as well. Give 'em chicken pox too, while yer at it.
95 posted on 01/03/2008 1:47:49 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: feinswinesuksass

Fromoda.


96 posted on 01/03/2008 1:47:59 PM PST by LastBoyScout80 (On my honor, I will do my doodie..)
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To: tpanther
And here I thought this thread was about female genital mutilation!

More's the pity.

Its impossible to gave a real discussion about FGM around here without certain people telling us we're just as bad becuase of circumcision.

The two things are completely, totally different, no matter the semantic games some around here want to play.

FGM is a heinous, brutal act that needs to be erased from society.

97 posted on 01/03/2008 1:50:11 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: LastBoyScout80

No thank you

This thread is making me sick.


98 posted on 01/03/2008 1:51:24 PM PST by Feiny (Fruitloops are Gay Cheerios)
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To: TomB

I think everyone agrees that removing the girls clit is wrong on every level.

I have never seen anyone advocate for this mutilation.

How many “oh, this is so wrong” posts do you need to read?


99 posted on 01/03/2008 1:52:28 PM PST by Feiny (Fruitloops are Gay Cheerios)
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To: teenyelliott
By that argument we should remove the tonsils at birth, as well. Give 'em chicken pox too, while yer at it.

Uh, tonsil removal is a completely routine procedure, no matter the age, as opposed to adult circumcision.

And since we vaccinate for chicken pox, you could make the argument that we do "(g)ive 'em chicken pox" when they're young.

100 posted on 01/03/2008 1:55:48 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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