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Conservative Activists Warn "Aggressive Cover-up" of Pro-abortion, Pro-gay Romney Legacy
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/3/08 | Peter J. Smith

Posted on 01/03/2008 4:29:29 PM PST by wagglebee

BOSTON, January 3, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A number of Massachusetts conservative leaders are warning pro-life and pro-family voters to pay close attention to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's decisions as governor on marriage, life, children, and family, saying that a number of conservatives are covering up a pro-abortion, pro-gay legacy to sustain his candidacy.

John Haskins, of the Parents' Rights Coalition, Peter LaBarbera, President of Americans for Truth, William Cotter, President of Operation Rescue-Boston and others are decrying what they call a cover-up by the "conservative establishment" of Romney's gubernatorial record that shows he is not the convert to the pro-life, pro-family, pro-marriage bandwagon as he has claimed to be.

"Behind the empty gestures and deceptive rhetoric, Romney was not pro-life or a defender of marriage by any stretch of the imagination. He was a disaster," said John O'Gorman, a member of the board of directors of Massachusetts Citizens For Life (MCFL)

The Massachusetts conservative activists point out that Romney approved taxpayer funded abortions under the state health care plan he signed in 2006. "Commonwealth Care" requires a $50 co-pay for abortion and prominently included Planned Parenthood on its advisory board. The move deeply disturbed pro-life leaders in Massachusetts, who were looking for a different Romney, who had publicized his purported pro-life conversion in July 2005 op-ed in the Boston Globe.

O'Gorman said that Romney had been touting a pro-life award from MCFL as some kind of proof of his conversion, when in truth he received a political leadership award, the Mullins Award for Political Leadership from the Pioneer Valley Chapter, "not a pro-life award and not approved by MCFL's state board of directors."

Haskins added that Romney received the award after paying $15,000 to MCFL, before gaining the award through the local chapter, instead of MCFL's state headquarters.
 
"MCFL was in financial difficulty when Romney's check came in and has been reluctant to contradict him publicly," Haskins said. "There are some very fine people associated with MCFL, but to let Romney hustle voters with this conveniently cooked-up pro-life award is a tragic mistake."

"If Mitt Romney outruns his record in Massachusetts and buys his way into the White House it will be partly because people who know the facts did not expose this pro-life award as not much more than a dime-store rip-off," Haskins added.

Ray Neary of ProLife Massachusetts said Romney should not be called pro-life for simply embracing what is known as an "anti-Roe" or "federalist" position that would allow states to decide their own abortion laws.

"We who have been in the trenches since 1973 know Mitt Romney has not switched to a pro-life stance, as he claims. He has merely switched to a 'states' rights' pro-abortion position - attaching a 'pro-life' label to it," Neary said. "Just overturning Roe v Wade would not legally prevent a single unborn child from being destroyed - but only change the locale."

The activists also said voters should know Romney's support for homosexual indoctrination of public schoolchildren and refusal to order education officials to respect the rights of parents to prevent their children from being subjected to this indoctrination. They also point out that Massachusetts judges had no legal authority to mandate "gay marriage" and Romney used "that deception to force officials to issue marriage licenses illegally modified without the legislature's approval and perform the ceremonies." 

"A clean-cut family man who after six decades in Mormonism was still strongly pro-abortion and pro-homosexual unions, pushed gay adoption, actively funded pro-homosexuality indoctrination in schools over parents' objections and was far sloppier than any Democrat with constitutions...Now there's a politician the establishment can trust," said Peter LaBarbera, President of Americans for Truth.

The Politico's Daniel Allott has observed that the apparent inconsistencies between Mitt Romney's rhetoric and his record on social conservative issues, not Mormonism, is the chief reason why Romney is struggling to convince religious conservatives to vote for him. Allott observes that Romney has "a mixed and rather paltry record on life" and has issued misleading statements like "I came down on the side of life [in] every single instance as governor of Massachusetts" that cannot be reconciled with approving taxpayer funded abortion in 2006, abandoning plans to defend Catholic and private hospitals from being forced to dispense emergency contraception and appointing a notoriously pro-abortion judge.

"In his speech on the role of religion in public life, Romney may have won some admirers by portraying himself as a man of authentic faith," Allott wrote. "Religious conservatives wish Romney would show just as much authenticity when discussing his record on the protection of nascent human life."
 
To Read the Politico's "Romney, get real about your abortion record" by Daniel Allott: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7482.html ;

Related coverage by LifeSiteNews.com:

The Romney Report: An Analysis of Republican Mitt Romney's Legacy on Life and Family
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07050711.html

The Romney Report: An In-Depth Analysis of Mitt Romney's Legacy on Life and Family Continued - Part II
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07051409.html

Gov. Romney and His Enforcement of the Pro-Same-Sex Goodridge Decision
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07051511.html  


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; prolife; romney; romneytruthfile
"A clean-cut family man who after six decades in Mormonism was still strongly pro-abortion and pro-homosexual unions, pushed gay adoption, actively funded pro-homosexuality indoctrination in schools over parents' objections and was far sloppier than any Democrat with constitutions...Now there's a politician the establishment can trust," said Peter LaBarbera, President of Americans for Truth.

He nails it here!

1 posted on 01/03/2008 4:29:32 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/03/2008 4:30:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 01/03/2008 4:30:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronski

Ping (I’m not really sure who to ping with the RomneyTruthFile threads).


4 posted on 01/03/2008 4:31:16 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

And people wonder why social cons have flocked to Huckabee.


5 posted on 01/03/2008 4:33:45 PM PST by Dreagon
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To: wagglebee
BINGO!!!!

U.S. Army Retired


6 posted on 01/03/2008 4:34:52 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("You can compromise your principals if you choose to, just don't ask me to compromise mine."~Rush)
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To: wagglebee

Two things that I don’t like about Romney:

He supports gays in the Boy Scouts,

He didn’t give one person a pardon while Governor of Massachusetts, including an Iraqi War veteran who had a conviction for using a BB gun while a teenager.

And, not one of his 5 sons served in the military , nor did he.


7 posted on 01/03/2008 4:35:45 PM PST by barryg
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To: wagglebee

Just look at Romney’s record in Massachusetts. He’s no conservative.


8 posted on 01/03/2008 4:36:12 PM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: wagglebee

Ouch , the truth hurts Bump !

Thanks for posting this .


9 posted on 01/03/2008 4:37:01 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (Fred Thompson : Truly Conservative and Truly pro-gun ... unlike some others we know ..)
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To: wagglebee
The first principle of true conversion: STOP waffling back to old ways. Shall we review Mitt's meandering case of 13 switchbacks?

(1): Romney comes from a heritage that is primarily pro-life. = He says flipped from a Mormon pro-life perspective when he sided with his mom when she ran as a pro-abortion senator in 1970.

(2): But then we learn he's supposedly been "pro-life" all along: "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review last year>, says the Concord Monitor in a previous article to the one that's being posted. (Source: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061210/REPOSITORY/612100304/1217/NEWS98) = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"

(3): 1994 campaign in Massachusetts: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country." = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent

(4): Fast forward to 2001, when Romney needs to reassure Utah Mormons that...he's not really "pro-choice," after all: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)

(5): But by 2002, guess what? He was pro-abortion again! "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again?

(6): In November of '04, he & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" where he links it to stem cell research = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert? )

(7): On May 27 '05, he affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04!

(8): What about his gubernatorial record 2003-2006? Mitt NOW says his actions were ALL pro-life. So I assume somewhere in 2005 or so were so pro-life decisions. ("As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life.") = So, then THESE ACTIONS were not only a reversal of his 2002 commitment, but his May 27, 2005 press conference commitment. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine

(9): April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access for poor women. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details).

(10): On January 29, 2007 during a visit to South Carolina, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true?

(11): Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering that "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life!

(12) " I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at the 1994 & 2002 campaigns, how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?"

(13): Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = That whatever he was from 1970 when his mom ran as a pro-abortion senator & he sided with her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion inlook or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer?

Confused? Well don't be: This Harper's Magazine excerpt found at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1921487/posts includes this excerpt:

"Earlier this year, the Boston Globe obtained a copy of an internal campaign PowerPoint presentation that outlined Romney’s strengths and weaknesses as he embarked on his presidential bid. One page—entitled “Primal Code for Brand Romney”—explained that Romney should market himself as a foil to such Massachusetts liberals as Senators Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, and also run against such “enemies” as Hollywood, France, and “moral relativism.” Problems identified by the campaign included the perception that Romney would not make a tough wartime leader and the possibility that voters would be spooked by his Mormon religion. The presentation also acknowledged the problematic view that Romney is a “phony” and a “political opportunist”; but that view is due at least in part to the fact that by any reasonable standard it’s true."

10 posted on 01/03/2008 4:39:20 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: wagglebee
THE FLiP SIDE OF MITT

Multiple Choice Mitt not only "changes" his positions, but he does so multiple times, waffling back & forth. On the position of whether business owners should be forced to hire alternative sexual preference employees, what do you think the chances are of a given candidate having three (count 'em, 3) pre-Christmas positions over the past 14 Christmases? (Well, Mitt has managed to do that...and his latest position is have the states do the dirty work of pro-homosexual activists.

Pre-Christmas 1994 (October): “We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden…” Oct. 6, 1994 Romney for U.S. Senate letter to Log Cabin Club of Massachusetts

Pre-Christmas 2006 Interview (mid-December): Lopez: And what about the 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Republicans where you indicated you would support the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and seemed open to changing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy in the military? Are those your positions today? Gov. Romney: No. I don’t see the need for new or special legislation. My experience over the past several years as governor has convinced me that ENDA would be an overly broad law that would open a litigation floodgate and unfairly penalize employers at the hands of activist judges. Source: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MmY1MTQyMTk0Yjk2ZDNmZmVmNmNkNjY4ODExMGM5NWE=

Pre-Christmas 2007 Interview (mid-December): December 16, 2007: The following is excerpted from Romney's "Meet the Press" interview December 16 with Tim Russert: MR. RUSSERT: You said [in 1994] that you would sponsor [Sen. Ted Kennedy's federal] Employment Nondiscrimination Act. Do you still support it? GOV. ROMNEY: At the state level. I think it makes sense at the state level for states to put in provision of this. MR. RUSSERT: Now, you said you would sponsor it at the federal level. GOV. ROMNEY: I would not support at the federal level, and I changed in that regard because I think that policy makes more sense to be evaluated or to be implemented at the state level. Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22273924/page/6/

11 posted on 01/03/2008 4:41:09 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: wagglebee
THE FLoP SIDE OF MITT

Has Mitt really converted, pro-life wise? Let's first just examine, in two summary statements, a comparison of what he has said in 2007.

Mitt on the 2007 campaign trail:

(Summary Statements: Example A)

Jan 28, 2007 in South Carolina: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Source cited in ensuing "FLiP & FLoP post). A little over 6 months later: Aug. 12, 2007 in Fox interview: "I never called myself pro-choice...I wasn't pro-choice..."

(Summary Statements: Example B)

June 15, 2007 (National Review article he wrote): "Some advocates told me that only the creation of human embryos for purposes of experimentation, otherwise known as cloning, could help them better understand and perhaps someday treat a series of dreaded diseases. But they ignored the importance of protecting human equality, dignity, and life. Almost 6 months later: December 5, 2007 Romney is interviewed by CBS' Katie Couric: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law."

A vocal pro-life nurse named Jill Stanek, up until this last quote from Romney, "was trying hard to give this pro-life convert the benefit of the doubt." Stanek's assessment of Romney's conclusion? "No. A parent cannot authorize killing a child. A parent cannot donate his/her living child for scientific experimentation. Romney understood this when discussing abortion earlier in the interview. He just need to apply that logic to human embryo experimentation...I don't get Romney's disconnect, but he has disconnected. And he has disqualified himself...Turns out he's not completely converted." Source: http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/12/mitt_romney_just.html

As Deal W. Hudson has said in his blog, Romney has a "lingering problem" in being only opposed to creating clones for stem cell research--not opposed to using "discarded" or "donated" frozen embryos: "...frozen embryos have been the primary source of embryonic tissue for stem cell research. How can you declare yourself opposed to this research when you are not opposed to the way it is actually carried out?...My question is this: How can you consider a frozen embryo a moral entity capable of being adopted, while at the same time support the scientist who wants to cut the embryonic being into pieces? Even more, if Romney's conversion was about the 'cheapened value of human life,' how can he abide the thought of a parent donating 'one of those embryos' to be destroyed?" Source: http://dealwhudson.typepad.com/deal_w_hudson/2007/12/the-problem-wit.html

So, just on embryonic research, we go from a...

...Mid-2002 Romney singing the praises of embryonic research: June 13, 2002, where he: ...spoke at a bioethics forum at Brandeis University. In a Boston Globe story filed the next day, he was quoted as saying that he endorsed embryonic stem cell research, hoping it would one day cure his wife's multiple sclerosis. And he went on to say: "I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research," before adding, "I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch." When pressed, however, Romney and his aides declined to offer an opinion on "therapeutic" or embryonic cloning. Source: weekly standard http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/013/222htyos.asp?pg=1

...To a...

...Late-2004 Romney undergoing his pro-life "conversion" due to this very issue: Nov. 9, 2004: Romney meet with Dr. Douglas Melton from the Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1619536-2,00.html

...To a...

...Late-2007 Romney who doesn't mind frozen embryonic life being "cheapened" or doesn't mind if they are excluded from his so-called "importance of protecting human equality, dignity, and life"...well that is, with this caveat: As long as Mom & Pop say it's OK for them to be sacrificed in such an experimental research manner!

12 posted on 01/03/2008 4:42:03 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: wagglebee

Hugh Hewitt isn’t gonna like this article!


13 posted on 01/03/2008 4:42:49 PM PST by Randy Larsen (I'M WITH FRED!)
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To: wagglebee
THE FLiP & FLoP SIDE OF MITT

THE PRO-'LIFE'& PRO-ABORTION REVELATION OF MITT ROMNEY

"Verse 1": He said he was “pro-choice” in 1994 & had been since 1970:

"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy)

"Verse 2": And it came to pass that he said he “didn’t wish to be labeled pro-choice” in a July 12, 2001 letter to a Salt Lake City newspaper.

"Verse 3": And it came to pass that he campaigned hard on being “pro-choice” in 2002:

“I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard… (Nov. 2, 2002)

"Verse 4": And it came to pass that he said he had a pro-life “conversion” after a Nov. 8, 2004 meeting. By May 27, 2005, he’s back to:

"I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice." (press conference comment) (So that’s “pro-life?”)

"Verse 5": And it came to pass that he said that he said later in 2005 in a Boston Globe op-ed that’s he’s “pro-life” and the 2 actions he took that year are pro-life—one action taken in February before he told us in May that he was “absolutely committed…regards to laws relating to abortion and choice”—and one after.

"Verse 6": And it came to pass that he said that this “pro-life” governor in April of 2006 signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access for poor women--$50 abortions on sale today via MittCare. He doesn’t veto placing a Planned Parenthood rep on the board oversight of MittCare.

"Verse 7": And it came to pass that he said within two weeks of campaigning in South Carolina in late Jan & early Feb, he makes the following 2 statements—both of which can’t be simultaneously true: Jan. 28, 2007:

“Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) (OK how could his even later claim that "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true?) Feb. 8, 2007: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007)

"Verse 8": And it came to pass that he was asked to size up his changes through the years as an August 2007 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox:

"I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..."

OK, just even from his own lips, how can he say he...

...“sustains” Roe v. Wade in 1994 (“sustains” is the strongest word possible for a Mormon—see very last lengthy paragraph below—as LDS are asked to sustain ALL their leaders from the LDS “prophet” on down);

...says he is “devoted and…dedicated” to “honoring” his ”word” to “sustain and support” Roe vs. Wade in 2002;

...continue to remain ”committed to my promise” in May of ’05;

...expand abortion services in RomneyCare in ’06 & make Planned Parenthood part of the healthcare “concrete”@ that time…???...

...While simultaneously...

...eschewing the “pro-choice” label in 2001;

...claim that “every action I’ve taken as the governor relates to the sanctity of human life” and looking backward from February, 2007, “I was always for life.”???

Indeed, how can you be? It’s simple. You just don’t “call yourself pro-choice?” And why is that? Because you just don’t “feel pro-choice?” (And we all know for burning-bosom Mormons who determine the truth they base their entire lives upon FEELING is everything!)

Note this from a Mormon taking issue with Mitt’s past commitment to abortion in a detailed explanation as to why the word "sustain" is so important to Mormons:

”In the LDS context 'sustain' has a very special meaning. Whenever someone in a congregation gets a new responsibility (a calling), their names are presented in our sacrament meeting along with what they are being asked to do. This is usually presented to the congregation by a member of the local leadership as follows: 'Brother Jones has been asked to serve as the 15 and 16 year-old Sunday School teacher. All that can sustain him in this calling please show by the uplifted hand.' At this point members of the congregation who sustain the calling raise their right hand. The leader than says 'any opposed may manifest it', and anyone who opposes the calling may raise their hand. To me this is one of the greatest things about the Mormon experience, that when we are asked to do something in our local congregation, we can look around us and see that the people around us know what we are being asked to do, and are showing a willingness to help and support us. It is an exceptional sense of community, especially considering that at the local and regional levels there is no paid clergy. Since as a rule everyone has some responsibility in the congregation, and those responsibilities change sometimes every 2-3 years, sometimes more frequently, there is a very egalitarian aspect to how local congregations are run. We are also taught that once we sustain someone we should do all we can to help someone in their calling, and not needlessly tear them down.... Everyone in the Church from the highest ranked ecclesiastical official on down, is supported by a sustaining. ...Current president of the Church Gordon B. Hinckley said: “The procedure of sustaining is much more than a ritualistic raising of the hand. It is a commitment to uphold, to support, to assist those who have been selected” -Ensign, May 1995, p. 51 ...We take the same approach to sustaining other things, such as the law of the land. Our 12th Article of Faith says that we are to sustain the law. What does this mean? The best explanation I have found is when past President of the LDS Church David O. McKay said: I>“To sustain the law, therefore, is to refrain from saying or doing anything which will weaken it or make it ineffective” -Conference Report, Apr. 1937, p. 28 When we sustain someone or something, and especially when we make that sustaining an overt public act, we take on very specific responsibilities. Support, strength, assistance even when we might personally disagree with something in the person or thing, are all things required of us in 'sustaining'. When Mitt Romney was an LDS bishop he was in charge of the sustaining process every Sunday. On Sundays he didn't officiate in the process, the process was still done under his very close oversight. The LDS concept of 'sustaining' can't be far from his mind when he makes statements saying he 'sustains' a law... Source: http://massresistance.blogspot.com/2006/12/mormons-against-romney-analyze-romneys.html

14 posted on 01/03/2008 4:43:02 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: wagglebee

This obsession with whatever candidate the two political parties are marketing this week or next misses the bigger picture. Our primary job as Christians is not to act as unpaid support squadrons for one or the other of these politicians.


15 posted on 01/03/2008 4:45:08 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: wagglebee

But I, an American voter, do not trust Romney, and as a conservative, I will not vote for him....

Hunter for Prez...


16 posted on 01/03/2008 4:50:24 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: wagglebee
All I needed to know about Romney is what he articulated in a debate. "If we had a consensus and most of the people in America wanted abortion illegal, that would be great! But were not there yet."

This man is a follower, not a leader, on the matters that truly define character. He will calculate his actions based on whatever best advances the interests of Mitt Romney. Just imagine Ronald Reagan saying what Mitt said in that debate.

17 posted on 01/03/2008 4:57:19 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: Lexinom
This man is a follower, not a leader, on the matters that truly define character. He will calculate his actions based on whatever best advances the interests of Mitt Romney. Just imagine Ronald Reagan saying what Mitt said in that debate.

Romney isn't trying to be Reagan, he's trying to be Clinton.

18 posted on 01/03/2008 4:59:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

...and succeeding :-(


19 posted on 01/03/2008 4:59:37 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: wagglebee

“An Open Letter from Pro-Life & Pro-Family Leaders Regarding Governor Mitt Romney

January 11, 2007

Dear conservative friends:

We hail from a broad spectrum of organizations dedicated to fighting for the pro-family agenda in Massachusetts. As you know, Mitt Romney became the governor of our state in 2003.

Since that time, we have worked closely with him and his excellent staff on that agenda. Some press accounts and bloggers have described Governor Romney in terms we neither have observed nor can we accept. To the contrary, we, who have been fighting here for the values you also hold, are indebted to him and his responsive staff in demonstrating solid social conservative credentials by undertaking the following actions here in Massachusetts:

• Staunchly defended traditional marriage. Governor Romney immediately and strongly condemned the 2003 court decision that legalized “same-sex marriage” in our state. More importantly, he followed up on that denunciation with action – action that saved our nation from a constitutional crisis over the definition of marriage. He and his staff identified and enforced a little-known 1913 law that allowed them to order local clerks not to issue marriage licenses to out-of-state couples. Absent this action, homosexual couples would surely have flooded into Massachusetts from other states to get “married” and then demanded that their home states recognize the “marriages,” putting the nation only one court decision away from nationalizing “same-sex marriage.”

• Worked hard to overturn “same-sex marriage” in the Commonwealth with considerable progress to date. In 2004 he lobbied hard, before a very hostile legislature, for a constitutional amendment protecting marriage – an amendment later changed by the legislature to include civil unions, which the Governor and many marriage amendment supporters opposed. Working with the Governor, we were successful in defeating this amendment.

• Provided active support for a successful citizen petition drive in 2005 to advance a clean constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

• Rallied thousands of citizens to focus public and media attention on the failure of legislators, through repeated delays, to perform their constitutional obligation and vote on the marriage amendment.

• Filed suit before the Supreme Judicial Court. The Governor’s suit asked the court to clarify the legislators’ duty to vote and failing that, to place the amendment on the 2008 ballot. That lawsuit, perhaps more than any other single action, was by all accounts instrumental in bringing pressure on the legislators to vote. The vote ultimately was taken on January 2, 2007 and won legislative support – clearing a major hurdle in the three year effort to restore traditional marriage in the Commonwealth.

• Fought for abstinence education. In 2006, under Governor Romney’s leadership, Massachusetts’ public schools began to offer a classroom program on abstinence from the faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Promoting the program, Governor Romney stated, “I’ve never had anyone complain to me that their kids are not learning enough about sex in school. However, a number of people have asked me why it is that we do not speak more about abstinence as a safe and preventative health practice.”

• Affirmed the culture of life. Governor Romney has vetoed bills to provide access to the socalled “morning-after pill,” which is an abortifacient, as well as a bill providing for expansive, embryo-destroying stem cell research. He vetoed the latter bill in 2005 because he could not “in good conscience allow this bill to become law.”

• Stood for religious freedom. Last year, Governor Romney was stalwart in defense of the right of Catholic Charities of Boston to refuse to allow homosexual couples to adopt children in its care. Catholic Charities was loudly accused of “discrimination,” but Governor Romney correctly pointed out that it is unjust to force a religious agency to violate the tenets of its faith in order to placate a special-interest group.

• Filed “An Act Protecting Religious Freedom” in the Massachusetts legislature to save Catholic Charities of Boston and other religious groups from being forced to violate their moral principles or stop doing important charitable work.

All of this may explain why John J. Miller, the national political reporter of National Review, has written that “a good case can be made that Romney has fought harder for social conservatives than any other governor in America, and it is difficult to imagine his doing so in a more daunting political environment.”

We are aware of the 1994 comments of Senate candidate Romney, which have been the subject of much recent discussion. While they are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now – and those actions have positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.

Since well before 2003, we have been laboring in the trenches of Massachusetts, fighting for the family values you and we share. It is difficult work indeed – not for the faint of heart. In this challenging environment, Governor Romney has proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.

For four years, Governor Romney has been right there beside us, providing leadership on key issues – whether it was politically expedient to do so or not. He has stood on principle, and we have benefited greatly from having him with us. It is clear that Governor Romney has learned much since 1994 – to the benefit of our movement and our Commonwealth. In fact, the entire nation has benefited from his socially conservative, pro-family actions in office. As we explained earlier, his leadership on the marriage issue helped prevent our nation from being plunged into even worse legal turmoil following the court decision that forced “gay marriage” upon our Commonwealth.

For that our country ought to be thankful. We certainly are.

Sincerely,

Rita Covelle President, Morality in Media Massachusetts

Richard Guerriero Immediate Past State Deputy, Massachusetts State Council, Knights of Columbus

Mary Ann Glendon Learned Hand Professor of Law, Harvard Law School

Kristian Mineau President, Massachusetts Family Institute

Dr. Roberto Miranda President, COPAHNI Fellowship of Hispanic Pastors of New England

James Morgan President, Institute for Family Development

Joseph Reilly President, Massachusetts Citizens for Life

Thomas A. Shields Chairman, Coalition for Family and Marriage”

But of course, since this is another hate Romney thread, it will fall on deaf ears.


20 posted on 01/03/2008 5:05:59 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: barryg
That's three things.
21 posted on 01/03/2008 5:08:01 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Dreagon

Just before Rev. Huckabee climbed on the election bandwagon, his political organization donated money to Planned Parenthood in Arkansas. He also has the enthusiastic support of the NEA.

Pro-lifers and homeschooler...BEWARE!!


22 posted on 01/03/2008 5:10:47 PM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: Dreagon
And people wonder why social cons have flocked to Huckabee.

I still wonder. I can't figure out why any conservatives would support either of these two bozos.

Oh yeah, Irrational Fear of Hillary Syndrome.

23 posted on 01/03/2008 5:24:43 PM PST by Duke Nukum (He burns at the center of time and he sees the turn of the Universe.)
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To: wagglebee
It’s amazing how the Romneybots will steer clear of posts like this that expose the real Romney but they’ll flock to posts that are supportive of him and then they’ll lambaste the rest of us when we say we don’t trust Romney. I, for one, will never vote for Romney. Not ever.
24 posted on 01/03/2008 5:40:00 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Palladin

Romney’ record in Massachusetts was quite conservative.


25 posted on 01/03/2008 11:26:41 PM PST by WOSG
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To: flaglady47

Flaglady, please post along with that letter how much $$$ Romney donated to each signer’s organization immediately prior to their signing the letter.


26 posted on 01/03/2008 11:56:12 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: WOSG

“Romney’s record in Massachusetts was quite conservative.”

And pigs fly.


27 posted on 01/03/2008 11:57:52 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: SatinDoll

SATIN: “Huckabee’s political organization donated money to Planned Parenthood in Arkansas.”

That’s a new one. Please provide documentation.

SATIN: “He also has the enthusiastic support of the NEA. pro-lifers and homeschoolers...BEWARE!!”

Wow.

Somebody better tell all those homeschoolers who manned phone banks for Huck in Iowa. And Mike Ferris, president of the Home School Legal Defense Association, who endorsed him. And that home school mom he appointed to the state Board of Education.

The truth is, the NEA has not endorsed him. Their state affiliate in N.H. did, but only because they promised their Repub members they’d endorse a Repub, but choose only from Repubs who came to their convention and talked to them, and he was the only one who went.

Union officials were somewhat deceptive in their endorsement news release, saying they endorsed him because he has opposed vouchers.

But the fact is that many CONSERVATIVE groups don’t support vouchers for fear that govt regulations will follow the transfer of govt funds.

Most School Choice activists now agree that a Universal Tuition Tax Credit is the far preferable mechanism, because it involves no transfer of govt funds.

And whaddaya know...

CNS NEWS
Washington, D.C.
January 3, 2008

Huckabee and Education
by Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor in Chief

...Conservatives, I suspect, will find some of Huckabee’s reservations about vouchers more persuasive than others. He cites a compelling argument from Christian school administrators, for example, who told him they fear that “once you take government money, you take government control.”

...Huckabee did offer an alternative route to school choice for parents who don’t want to send their children to public schools.

“I think that we ought to have tax credits for a family whose decision is to put their children in an alternative environment. And that is something that I would support,” he said. “It’s an empowering method to families.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCommentary.asp?Page=/Commentary/archive/200801/COM20080103a.html


28 posted on 01/04/2008 12:03:52 AM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: wagglebee
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29 posted on 01/04/2008 1:32:51 AM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


30 posted on 01/04/2008 3:32:07 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: AFA-Michigan

I am a home schooler. Huckabee, as governor of Arkansas, was “in bed” with the NEA of that state.

And he donated money to Planned Parenthood in Arkansas, just before deciding to run for the Republican candidacy.
Poor planning, I would say.

This information comes from friends in Arkansas, evangelical Christians who are Baptists thoroughly disgusted with the two-faced former governor. These same folks kindly provided me with information about Clinton back in early 1992. Same picture.

The man is not what he seems. Like Romney, like Clinton, he is a powere hungry and a liar.


31 posted on 01/04/2008 4:18:25 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: Palladin

NEITHER IS HUCKABEE!!


32 posted on 01/04/2008 5:22:40 AM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: SatinDoll

Huckabee is now the frontrunner, after whoopin’ Mitt’s heiny in Iowa.

So—what else to expect but rumors, smears, innuendo, and mudslinging from the Mitt-Losers?


33 posted on 01/04/2008 11:34:42 AM PST by Palladin (Cackle..cackle..cackle. Hillary laid another egg.)
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To: flaglady47
Stood for religious freedom. Last year, Governor Romney was stalwart in defense of the right of Catholic Charities of Boston to refuse to allow homosexual couples to adopt children in its care. Catholic Charities was loudly accused of “discrimination,” but Governor Romney correctly pointed out that it is unjust to force a religious agency to violate the tenets of its faith in order to placate a special-interest group.

Filed “An Act Protecting Religious Freedom” in the Massachusetts legislature to save Catholic Charities of Boston and other religious groups from being forced to violate their moral principles or stop doing important charitable work.

I wonder why he forced Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts to distribute the "morning after" pill then, if he's for "religious freedom"?

34 posted on 01/04/2008 11:46:25 AM PST by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: RKBA Democrat
This obsession with whatever candidate the two political parties are marketing this week or next misses the bigger picture. Our primary job as Christians is not to act as unpaid support squadrons for one or the other of these politicians.

The media hacks and paid political professionals are having a good old time watching us in the act of cannibalism. The same guys who were talking up Huckabee as an alternative to a seemingly presumptive Giuliani nomination four weeks ago are now trashing the former Governor left and right, as though they were ignorant of his record this entire time.

It's refreshing to read posts like yours because so often I come across self-professed conservative Christians or "Evangelicals" who seem to believe that it's OK to engage in scandal-mongering and crude character assassination, so long as it's against "the other guy."

We are called to be salt and light, not tools of a sensationalistic, self-interested media, whether it be liberal or conservative.
35 posted on 01/04/2008 8:06:25 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Great truths can only be forgotten and can never be falsified."--G.K. Chesterton.)
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To: Das Outsider

“We are called to be salt and light, not tools of a sensationalistic, self-interested media, whether it be liberal or conservative.”

If our Lord were to return to us today, would Christian conservatives focus on that, or on the minutae of the latest election?

This obsession with secular politics borders on idolatry.

Thanks for the nice comment.


36 posted on 01/05/2008 5:26:21 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: RKBA Democrat
Thanks for the nice comment.

You're more than welcome. Keep up the good work.
37 posted on 01/05/2008 8:10:57 AM PST by Das Outsider ("Great truths can only be forgotten and can never be falsified."--G.K. Chesterton.)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for posting, I don’t understand how conservatives can be conned into voting for this guy.

Mitt Romney: A Massachusetts Liberal for President
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/mitt_romney_a_massachusetts_li.html
Mitt Romney flip flops on Abortion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks

Romney does not support 2nd Amendment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzYTdM9b5F4

Romney on Abortion 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

Romney does not want to return to Reagan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pVqZzHm3Z4&feature=related

Mitt Romney Flip-Flops on hunting, abortion and iraq and dog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PURfrORhWPc

Romney Flip flops/Duncun Hunter sets the record straight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AffxIfq4LWQ

Duncan Hunter/Huckabee stand up to Clinton/Corrupt News Network plant/Romney flip-flops on gays in military
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU-AFU_OiFo


38 posted on 01/05/2008 8:39:04 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: AFA-Michigan

“Flaglady, please post along with that letter how much $$$ Romney donated to each signer’s organization immediately prior to their signing the letter.”

Your inference regarding Romney is as sleazy as you yourself probably are for making it.


39 posted on 01/05/2008 2:14:34 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47

FlagLady, I note that you were unable to offer a substantive response to my request, and thus responded with a personal attack (mild as it was).

The truth, however, is not “sleazy.”

As in the following example...

1. March 2005 — AFTER Romney’s alleged “pro-life” conversion, Mass Citizens for Life truthfully characterizes him in the Boston Globe as an “abortion-rights supporter.”

“Marie Sturgis, legislative director of Massachusetts Citizens for Life, said she hasn’t detected any change in Romney’s stance. The group considers Romney to be an abortion-rights supporter, as do national antiabortion groups such as the Family Research Council.”

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/03/25/roe_v_wade_omitted_from_proclamation/

1. December 2005 — A full year AFTER Romney’s alleged “pro-life” conversion, Massachusetts Citizens for Life criticizes Romney for flip-flopping on whether Catholic hospitals should be forced to provide the morning after pill.

http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen/w/b/wbur/wburnews/2005/me_1209_2.rm

3. December 2006 — Mitt Romney makes $15,000 donation to Massachusetts Citizens for Life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/us/politics/11romney.html

4. January 2007 — A month after receiving Romney’s $15,000 donation, Mass Citizens for Life signs letter (the one you posted), attesting to Romney’s solid “pro-life” credentials. (Note from the NY Times article that other signers of the letter you posted also received large cash contributions from Romney before signing the letter.)

On second thought, FlagLady, you’re right, there is something “sleazy” about all the above.

So I repeat my original request:

“Flaglady, please post along with that letter how much $$$ Romney donated to each signer’s organization immediately prior to their signing the letter.”


40 posted on 01/05/2008 8:15:04 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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To: wagglebee

marking


41 posted on 01/25/2008 5:23:52 PM PST by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20)
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To: wagglebee
wagglebee, good try, but prepare to get flamed.

Romney's been 'annointed' king by the GOP, the MSM, (even has Bush's blessing from what I read), and many here at FR.

The man is a saint and we are 'evil' if we question him or his recent policies.....~sarcasm

In truth, we have no one...to represent....us.

May God have mercy.

42 posted on 01/25/2008 5:30:43 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Guenevere

Unfortunately, this was posted three weeks ago, BEFORE the RINOs and media successfully destroyed the candidacies of Hunter and Thompson.


43 posted on 01/25/2008 5:33:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Let me rephrase that...

We have no one to represent us save...GOD.

44 posted on 01/25/2008 5:34:02 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: wagglebee

Press on.


45 posted on 01/25/2008 5:36:24 PM PST by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Guenevere

I think that the only real hope now is that McCain, Romney and Huckabee “split” the delegates in such a way that we have a brokered convention.

Fred Thompson was just about everyone’s first or second choice and we could wind up with him as a nominee.


46 posted on 01/25/2008 5:39:22 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I’d prefer Hunter :^)


47 posted on 01/25/2008 5:45:02 PM PST by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Guenevere

I would too, but it won’t be Hunter. We still have an outside chance with Thompson.


48 posted on 01/25/2008 5:47:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
wagglebee, I really don't think it will be Thompson either....
...but who knows.
49 posted on 01/25/2008 5:51:16 PM PST by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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