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Wolves kill hound on a hunt near Kalispell
Daily Inter Lake ^ | 4Jan08 | Jim Mann

Posted on 01/04/2008 4:35:52 AM PST by claudiustg

A Flathead Valley houndsman reports that wolves killed one of his hounds and severely wounded another on a recent mountain lion hunt west of Kalispell.

Joe Kerney said he was on a hunt Dec. 31, when he released two grown hounds and a pup on a mountain lion track in the Rogers Lake area. After a chase of less than a mile, the hounds were baying.

“They went up this draw and it sounded like they had a cat treed,” said Kerney, who was pursuing not far behind.

“All of a sudden, I heard a dog fight going on,” he said.

As Kerney approached the noise, he saw “two dogs on a dead run toward me. There was something wrong, because they don’t quit hunting.”

(Excerpt) Read more at dailyinterlake.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; hunting; wolves
This is on the edge of the area I normally hunt, but closer to town!
1 posted on 01/04/2008 4:35:54 AM PST by claudiustg
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To: claudiustg

A domestic dog is no match for a wolf. Wolves are even smarter (judging by brain structure).
In this case, the dogs were at least smart enough to try to run away.


2 posted on 01/04/2008 4:45:39 AM PST by docbnj
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To: claudiustg

It’s no fair when Nature fights back!!


3 posted on 01/04/2008 4:48:18 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: docbnj

"You're gonna need a bigger dog."

4 posted on 01/04/2008 5:09:30 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Myrddin; Jeff Head

Great Northwest Wolf Bump.


5 posted on 01/04/2008 5:17:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: claudiustg

Would that be in the kila area?


6 posted on 01/04/2008 5:18:42 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: docbnj
I think it was on the freep a year or so back, but an article had been written by a hunter who'd been set upon by wolves. Lost his entire pack of hunting dogs -- several pointers, a few labs. He recognized one 'corpse' by discovering a patch of her fur mixed in with some wolf scat. All of them had been devoured pretty quickly by the wolves, I think maybe part of a spinal column of another was left -- but I was amazed by what quick work those wolves made of his dogs.

Maybe one of his dogs survived, but IIRC, all of them were just cocktail snacks for this small pack of wolves. One of the most heart rending, eye-opening accounts I'v ever read.

And the saddest part, the author/hunter admitted that he really had no idea how uneven the fight was. He was really surprised (on some levels) of the sheer carnage the wolves were capable of, and how weak (in comparison) his dogs were (and by all accounts, these dogs were tough customers compared to other domesticated dogs). It was a really tough story -- and the animal rights geeks who want to live in 'harmony' with our soul-brother wolves have NO idea.

7 posted on 01/04/2008 5:33:10 AM PST by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Undead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: Bear_Slayer

A little west of Kila. The funny thing is that last time I went hunting at Rogers, a large swatch of area that had been good for does was marked no hunting by some developer that had just bought it up from Plum Creek.


8 posted on 01/04/2008 5:39:09 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: Philly Nomad
It’s no fair when Nature fights back!!

True, man whines about wolf kills dog, but is happen when dogs kill mountain lion. If you don't want to play the game sit on the porch.

9 posted on 01/04/2008 5:41:36 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: RepoGirl

Wolves are a more aggressive species in the dog family.
They like chimpanzees to humans, the extremely aggressive close ancestor


10 posted on 01/04/2008 6:27:23 AM PST by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
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To: Larebil
Excellent analogy. Chimps are very cute when they're young and dressed in farmer costumes, but I don't think most people realize just how violent and aggressive they are.

I saw a documentary once where a chimp (that had once been owned and abused by the Moscow circus) attacked a camera man and bit part of his hand off in what was truly an unprovoked attack. It had just been so mistreated by humans in its life, when he saw the cameraman, he just ran up to him and tackled him. It was all on film, too -- horrifying.

11 posted on 01/04/2008 6:53:49 AM PST by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Undead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: Travis McGee; meadsjn; soundbits; Myrddin; Noumenon; claudiustg; Lurker
The wolves in the mountains and now foothills around here have been getting larger. Probably breeding with larger dogs and the like.

Here are a couple of pics from the Boise foothills (within 20 miles of the city) where the government wildlife people shot one from their helo. Probably had been killing livestock. (We know in this area that they have been killing the elk...which is one of the things they do).

The first guys is about 5'9" tall I believe, the second guy is bigger, probably 6'2" or so. This is one big wolf, probably close to 200 lbs. Would be extremely dangerous for kids or even teenagers who were not protected and hiking. Heck, I would not want to run across this critter in a draw withou my 44 mag. handgun, or one of my rifles.

Here's the pics:


12 posted on 01/04/2008 7:01:26 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: RepoGirl

There was an excellent program where chimps broke out of an enclosure and killed two men in Africa, I forget the country.
They deduced that the animals are under stress from the constant tribal wars. So the animals were more defensive against humans.
Elephants did so too, they became more aggressive towards humans especially after the Idi Amin wars.

Animals are incapable of reaon but have emotions and can suffer similar psychological problems such as stress disorders.
On the show the dog whisperer, the trainer had to cure a dog’s phobia of children. A pair of kids nearly crashed into the dog skate boarding, this caused the dog to have a phobia of kids.
Fascinating stuff.


13 posted on 01/04/2008 7:11:49 AM PST by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
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To: claudiustg
Several years ago the Interlake had an article that Plum Creek would be selling off a lot of its land to developers.

So as I understand it, the robber-barons obtained it cheap from the government, cut out all the good timber, and now they are making a fortune by selling it to private developers.

I'm no enviromentalist, but I hate corruption, especially when big business/corporations are favored over average citizens.

Speaking of wolves . . .

I have friends in Kila who were elk hunting by horseback this last season, just west of Kila and were approached by a wolf-pack.

The wolves backed off and nothing came of it.

There has been an increase in wolf activity west of Kalispell -- Kila & marion area.

14 posted on 01/04/2008 7:13:41 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Jeff Head
That's one very large predator, much larger than the wolves our ancestors so wisely tried to eradicate.

Some of the comments on the linked article show just how ignorant the environmentalists can be. These creatures are not indigenous.

15 posted on 01/04/2008 8:29:21 AM PST by meadsjn (Hey Spock, round off, partner!)
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To: Jeff Head
I received those two pictures from my neighbor. One of the guys holding up the wolf is my neighbor's cousin. I don't know his cousin personally, but I can safely guess the guy in the blue jump suit is his cousin.
16 posted on 01/04/2008 9:46:46 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Bear_Slayer

I hunt that area out to Thompson River Rd. I haven’t seen the wolves yet, but I’ve seen the tracks. I hunt up by Bar Z Mnt, which is a good horseback hunting area.


17 posted on 01/04/2008 11:59:49 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: Jeff Head
This is one big wolf, probably close to 200 lbs. Would be extremely dangerous for kids or even teenagers who were not protected and hiking.

most any unarmed critter, 2 or 4 legged would have a bad day in that guys path...

18 posted on 01/04/2008 12:34:00 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: docbnj
he saw “two dogs on a dead run toward me.

The wolves pulled out a can of whuppass.

19 posted on 01/04/2008 4:20:02 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Jeff Head

A trapper has been hired in Anchorage to try to catch one or two of the pack and see if that reduces the threat. He’ll be trapping on private land, has his permit and everything, although it is open season on wolves in some management areas.


20 posted on 01/04/2008 4:25:51 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: docbnj

“A domestic dog is no match for a wolf”.
Except for a big Pit Bull.


21 posted on 01/04/2008 4:41:58 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Jeff Head

One of them big critters is a nightmare.

Worse is the fact that they hunt in packs, and they are SMART.


22 posted on 01/04/2008 7:54:08 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Gilbo_3
most any unarmed critter, 2 or 4 legged would have a bad day in that guys path...

And that's just ONE. Imagine being stalked and attacked by 6 or more.

23 posted on 01/04/2008 7:55:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Old buddy o'mine had 5 Rotties [80-110 lbs] and Id get in the middle of em and slap box...usually took less than 30 seconds before they were literally bouncing me back and forth between em like a rag doll and the 'play' to start increasing in intensity [not trying to hurt, just unaware of their own strength ].

I always thought that one of the smaller dogs might be managable in a real fight barehanded, but the gang = puppy chow...

24 posted on 01/05/2008 12:43:14 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Gilbo_3

If wolves can take down elk, humans would be puppy chow.


25 posted on 01/05/2008 9:16:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: claudiustg

Yeesh! Rogers Lake... That’s too close...Folks are living up there. Heard tell of crossing wolf sign on Cyclone/Logan road (Sylvia Lake/ Dunsire Pass) and some up by Gobblers Knob / Fisher River...

I think there is more packs than they are letting on...


26 posted on 01/05/2008 9:39:16 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: roamer_1

-—Yeesh! Rogers Lake... That’s too close...Folks are living up there.-—

Yep , and folks are determined to keep moving further out. They’re going to get tired of wolves snatching their pets and scaring the crap out of them.

There’s getting to be a lot of wolves and there will be a lot more with all the deer we’ve got everywhere. When there’s a hard winter those wolves will follow the deer and elk right down into the valley.


27 posted on 01/05/2008 9:54:51 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: claudiustg
When there’s a hard winter those wolves will follow the deer and elk right down into the valley.

Damn straight... As fast as they are breeding (the wolves, I mean :P ), one might do well to start outfitting a pack of wolfhounds... Bound to be some business pretty soon...

Wolfhounds would be a bit harder to tear through than a bunch of blue ticks looking for cats...

28 posted on 01/05/2008 10:17:53 PM PST by roamer_1 (Vote for Frudy McRomsonbee -Turn red states purple in 08!)
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To: claudiustg

Bttt.


29 posted on 01/06/2008 7:50:24 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (If you don't want people to get your goat, don't tell them where it's tied.)
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To: Jeff Head

I’m more interested in that Helicopter! It has to be 40+ years old...


30 posted on 01/06/2008 7:55:34 AM PST by e_castillo
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