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Goat abuse sparks outcry
The Miami Herald ^ | Fri, Jan. 04, 2008 | MARC CAPUTO

Posted on 01/04/2008 4:50:48 AM PST by nin_kasi

After a goat was raped and killed in a Panhandle town, animal activists, police and citizens were almost as shocked to find out that bestiality isn't a crime in Florida.

But it might be soon.

A Sunrise state senator and a St. Petersburg representative have filed legislation to make it a first-degree felony to have sex with animals or promote or advertise bestiality.

''It's true. It's sick. There needs to be a law,'' said Democratic Sen. Nan Rich, a longtime crusader for children and animal rights. ``There are 30 states that make this a crime. Florida isn't one of them.''

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who called the situation ''unbelievable,'' said Thursday he would sign the bill into law if it made it to his desk.

Rich said she was as shocked as she was disgusted when she learned of the rape and asphyxiation last year of a family pet goat named Meg -- who was pregnant with twins -- in the town of Mossy Head in rural Walton County.

A suspect in the case, a 48-year-old man, is serving an 11-month, 29-day jail sentence on animal-theft charges in connection with the attempted abduction of another goat in a separate case, according to Walton County Assistant State Attorney James Parker.

Parker said he couldn't prosecute the suspect in the death of Meg because DNA samples taken with a sheriff's office rape kit were inconclusive.

Parker said he asked the Florida Department of Law Enforcement last week to retest the evidence.

But even if there's a DNA match, Parker said the suspect could only be charged with misdemeanor trespassing and animal cruelty, a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bestiality

1 posted on 01/04/2008 4:50:49 AM PST by nin_kasi
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To: nin_kasi

They did a rape kit on a goat??!!!??!!


2 posted on 01/04/2008 4:53:03 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (Doomage on you)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

I was home at the time!


3 posted on 01/04/2008 4:54:41 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: nin_kasi

HE HAS BEEN LOCATED!!!!!!!

OBL is hiding in FL.


4 posted on 01/04/2008 4:55:04 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: nin_kasi
''It's true. It's sick. There needs to be a law,'' said Democratic Sen. Nan Rich, a longtime crusader for children and animal rights. ``There are 30 states that make this a crime. Florida isn't one of them.''

Yep, more laws! There need to be rules for every possible action governing where and when it's right and wrong. Heaven forbid we should let society solve morality on its own.
5 posted on 01/04/2008 4:55:41 AM PST by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: arderkrag
Well, maybe if they had a stronger law, they could lock him up for a long time.

Carolyn

6 posted on 01/04/2008 4:57:46 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: nin_kasi

This is not a new discovery. In 2005 a blind man had “sex” with his guide dog. Being progressive these days means that everyone should have sexual freedom to worship at the alter of insanity. NAMBLA of SanFrancisco is an example of the twisted mentality that pervades our society. We as conservatives are not to speak of it as insanity. We should accept it as privacy rights. I’m wondering if the guy has anal intercourse with the goat in the privacy of his own bedroom does he have a protected right of privacy?


7 posted on 01/04/2008 4:59:57 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: nin_kasi

It seems we here in Florida have more then our share of nutjobs, perverts and democrats.


8 posted on 01/04/2008 5:00:09 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: nin_kasi
A suspect in the case, a 48-year-old man, is serving an 11-month, 29-day jail sentence on animal-theft charges

In the "good old days" he would have spent that long cleaning the tar and feathers off himself.

9 posted on 01/04/2008 5:00:36 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: nin_kasi

Goats are people too, you know. This law would be racist against goat lovers. But the homosexual lobby will just call these guys “Goat Breeders” and really not assist in their defense. Now if it was male goats, that’s a different story though.

It’s genetic, you know. Some people just like goats. And how does that hurt anyone? How do we know the goats don’t enjoy it? And if the goat agrees, why is that a bad thing?

Note the logic.


11 posted on 01/04/2008 5:03:06 AM PST by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: arderkrag

As my Father said “ you can’t legislate morality” does not stop pols from trying


12 posted on 01/04/2008 5:03:46 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: Joe Boucher
It seems we here in Florida have more then our share of nutjobs, perverts and democrats.

Don't feel bad. They move there from Massachusetts.

13 posted on 01/04/2008 5:07:05 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: MARTIAL MONK

I did not have sex with that goat. Those allegations are false.


14 posted on 01/04/2008 5:08:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: nin_kasi
The odd local publicity helped bring back about $300, when a man from nearby Crestview made a series of $10 goat T-shirts for sale.

One shirt depicts a goat saying ``Baaa Means No!''

You just cannot make this stuff up without chemicals.

15 posted on 01/04/2008 5:09:53 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: arderkrag
Heaven forbid we should let society solve morality on its own.

Just how do you propose to accomplish this high minded goal? I'm not for government regulation to make the earth green when 2/3 of the earth outside the continental United States is being polluted by other countries and all our press complains about is how America is the reason for global warming and we pass laws that prohibit heavy industry from operating efficiently and at low cost; consequently, we now have to relay on a communist country for material and supplies to fight our wars against them.

I agree that one cannot legislate morality, but we can and should punish crime. You start castrating the man who rapes goats and you can be assured that won't happen again with that guy. But, no, we are too good a country to pass such archaic laws. We need to adopt the standards set by our European more enlightened countries like in the Netherlands where whores sit in store windows and is perfectly acceptable. That's what happens when you let society solve morality on its own. Perhaps in sunday school you might start teaching your children about morality, but after being exposed to the freaks in San Francisco, they will be ready to commit suicide.

 

16 posted on 01/04/2008 5:14:26 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: morkfork
But the homosexual lobby will just call these guys “Goat Breeders”

That's one of the best lines I've read in a long time. Not only insightful but cleaver.

17 posted on 01/04/2008 5:16:52 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: street_lawyer
We need to adopt the standards set by our European more enlightened countries like in the Netherlands where whores sit in store windows and is perfectly acceptable. That's what happens when you let society solve morality on its own.

Sorry, but I fail to see how this proves your point. Crime should be determined by what interferes with individual rights. Whores sitting in shop windows does not do this, so the law should allow it.
18 posted on 01/04/2008 5:21:52 AM PST by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: Gorzaloon

19 posted on 01/04/2008 5:24:55 AM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Joe Boucher
"...nutjobs, perverts and democrats."

That's redundant.

20 posted on 01/04/2008 5:29:56 AM PST by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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To: arderkrag
Crime should be determined by what interferes with individual rights. Whores sitting in shop windows does not do this, so the law should allow it.
Move to Europe. You will have a lot of company where you can shop at one of those whore houses before going home to eat dinner with your wife and children.
21 posted on 01/04/2008 5:31:06 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: nin_kasi

I think in FL, someone having sex with animals is charged with animal abuse. But it is hard to imagine that there isn’t an actual law against it.


22 posted on 01/04/2008 5:36:46 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: street_lawyer

The Sex Positive Agenda seeks to end all moral judgments over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s).


23 posted on 01/04/2008 5:38:44 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: nin_kasi
she was disgusted when she learned of the rape and asphyxiation last year of a family pet goat named Meg

Rape implies lack of consent. Since a goat isn't human, and can't speak, it can't consent or deny consent. Besides, who are the multi-cultis to deny this man his religious ritual, as long as he's not a Christian (that would be my defense if I were his lawyer).

One final thought - I wonder what this high-minded Senator Rich thought of Bill Clinton's behavior toward Juanita Broderick?

24 posted on 01/04/2008 5:45:27 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: street_lawyer

If Europe had a libertarian country, trust me, I’d know and probably already be there. But alas, economic issues are just as important to me as social and political issues, so I’ll be staying here, where the type of legislation I support has the best chance of passing.


25 posted on 01/04/2008 5:53:12 AM PST by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: nin_kasi
Seriously, can a goat be “raped”? When people say a goat was “raped” that seems to me to imply some moral equivalence of a goat to a human being. However sick and pathetic it may be that someone engaged in bestiality, I don’t think a goat can be “raped”.
26 posted on 01/04/2008 5:55:33 AM PST by Obadiah (I don't like to brag - but I am half-bilingual!)
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To: nin_kasi

Did he kill the goat to keep it from testifying.


27 posted on 01/04/2008 5:56:39 AM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: street_lawyer

>>This is not a new discovery. In 2005 a blind man had “sex” with his guide dog. Being progressive these days means that everyone should have sexual freedom to worship at the alter of insanity. NAMBLA of SanFrancisco is an example of the twisted mentality that pervades our society. We as conservatives are not to speak of it as insanity. We should accept it as privacy rights. I’m wondering if the guy has anal intercourse with the goat in the privacy of his own bedroom does he have a protected right of privacy?<<

No, at least he should not be protected by the right to privacy.

The proper standard for sex is consent. Animals, like children cannot form and give proper consent.


28 posted on 01/04/2008 5:58:50 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: nin_kasi

Making the act itself illegal, maybe, but I don’t think we need a law for everything.

But “promote or advertise”, as disgusting as it may be to conservatives, I think comes under the first amendment.


29 posted on 01/04/2008 6:01:48 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Obadiah

Beastiality is a sin, but it is a sin a human commits against himself. In recent years, PETA types have become outspoken against beastiality but they call it rape. In PETA’s world, milking a cow is considered molestation. (Seriously).


30 posted on 01/04/2008 6:44:30 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: doc30
"But it is hard to imagine that there isn’t an actual law against it."

Apparently If you own the goat it's OK?

31 posted on 01/04/2008 6:57:06 AM PST by OldEagle
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To: sportutegrl

And that seems to be the agenda of PETA, to elevate the status of animals and thereby lower humans. Of course doing this completely denies God, which I think is the real aim here.


32 posted on 01/04/2008 7:11:52 AM PST by Obadiah (I don't like to brag - but I'm half-bilingual!)
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To: nin_kasi

So... was the goat pregnant with half-goat half-man twins? Too bad the Weekly World News is out of print.


33 posted on 01/04/2008 7:26:02 AM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th.)
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To: nin_kasi

“One shirt depicts a goat saying ‘Baaa Means No!’”

LOL!


34 posted on 01/04/2008 7:27:45 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Joe Boucher
"It seems we here in Florida have more then our share of nutjobs, perverts and democrats."

synonyms...

35 posted on 01/04/2008 8:33:03 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: nin_kasi

Was Bubba in town campaigning for Hildebeast?


36 posted on 01/04/2008 8:34:48 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's as simple as ABC - Anyone But Clinton!!!!)
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To: weegee
The Sex Positive Agenda seeks to end all moral judgments over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s).

"sex positive agenda", I know you are using the term because it is what 'they' say. How nice a phrase. So innocuous and innocent. Today I read a comment from a bright poster who gave the title of "Goat Breeders" (in jest) to the perverts who, beyond comprehension, given the possible alternatives, choose animals to have sex.

 

37 posted on 01/04/2008 9:26:46 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: arderkrag

libertarianism is good, but too much of a good thing can be bad.


38 posted on 01/04/2008 9:29:51 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: gondramB

My question was rhetorical in that the answer should be obvious to a sane person. I am coming to understand the true meaning of political correctness. I recommend the book While Europe Slept by Bruce Bawer, a gay author who surprised me with his grasp of the social and political agenda in Europe and soon to come to a theater near you here in America. We are already seeing the coming attractions.


39 posted on 01/04/2008 9:36:58 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Past president Billy Bob Clinton has evidently found another retirement past time, as he steadfastly proclaims “I did not have a sexual relationship with that pretty little goat, Ms. Meg!”.
40 posted on 01/04/2008 9:39:49 AM PST by WesternPacific
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I think it was Tancredo who referred to Florida as a third world state.......
41 posted on 01/04/2008 10:22:18 AM PST by Godwin1 (merican restaurant.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

A good goat will do that.


42 posted on 01/04/2008 10:28:45 AM PST by doctor noe
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To: doc30

It’s true. Thar hain’t no law agin it. Thar otter be a law. Fact is thar otter be a spessial Department of Goat....err....Ropin’. We could have somes Swat teams and everthing. Maybe some of them decoy goats we could put aside the road. They could be nearly nekked, maybe just a tight wool sweater or sumpin’. Less git them preverts afore they start on cows.


43 posted on 01/04/2008 10:35:55 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Sender

That T-shirt graphic...LOL!


44 posted on 01/04/2008 10:38:17 AM PST by VOA
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To: street_lawyer

>>My question was rhetorical in that the answer should be obvious to a sane person. I am coming to understand the true meaning of political correctness. I recommend the book While Europe Slept by Bruce Bawer, a gay author who surprised me with his grasp of the social and political agenda in Europe and soon to come to a theater near you here in America. We are already seeing the coming attractions.<<

I’m sorry I didn’t catch that the question was rhetorical. I know other people who would ask that as a serious question.

I looked up While Europe Slept - looks interesting. I’ll check it out at the library, thanks.


45 posted on 01/04/2008 2:23:14 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB
BTW, I did not mean to imply that you are not a sane person. I recognized that you understood the answer well. I just wanted you to know I also knew the answer even though I posed it as a question.

Forgive my blundering English phraseology.

46 posted on 01/05/2008 2:16:21 PM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: street_lawyer

>>BTW, I did not mean to imply that you are not a sane person. I recognized that you understood the answer well. I just wanted you to know I also knew the answer even though I posed it as a question.<<

I didn’t take it that way but thanks for the clarification.

On re-reading your post was perfectly clear and I misread.


47 posted on 01/05/2008 5:32:54 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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