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Muslim Claims of Accomplishment--What Arab Civilization?
ChristiansOfIraq.com | Frontpagemagazine ^ | January 04, 2008 | Peter BetBasoo

Posted on 01/04/2008 5:22:04 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 01/04/2008 5:22:06 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Arabs did accomplish a lot...until Islam came along.


2 posted on 01/04/2008 5:24:58 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: Slapshot68

You hit the nail on the head.


3 posted on 01/04/2008 5:30:05 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: Slapshot68
Arabs did accomplish a lot...until Islam came along.

Not really. They were running around in the sand as nomads and hiring themselves out as mercenaries both to Rome and to Persian in their ongoing wars with each other.

The Assyrians are not Arab.
4 posted on 01/04/2008 5:31:49 AM PST by aruanan
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To: SJackson

What?

You mean huge oil money can’t buy you a little respect (even if it has to be invented)?

I’m sure the creative writing staff of Pravda is available for hire for such projects. They will do a bang up job of inventing whatever “facts” you need to get your propaganda across.


5 posted on 01/04/2008 5:32:16 AM PST by Carbonado
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To: SJackson
To sum up:
Any thoughtful person who knows history and religion would be anti-Islam. Along with Communism, Naziism, and the Black Death, Islam has been responsible for more death and destruction on the face of the planet than just about anything else since the last asteroid impact. Islam was started by predators. It has spread by predation. It has lived off the decaying corpses of the civilizations it has destroyed. It is a vast, ancient sea of corruption, oppression, fanaticism, and ignorance lapping up against the shores of the present, kept alive by the fortuitous accident of living above huge reserves of petroleum.

6 posted on 01/04/2008 5:32:54 AM PST by aruanan
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They have NEVER been civilized and NEVER will be........

Genesis 16:12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.".............

7 posted on 01/04/2008 5:35:28 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SJackson

History BUMP! Thanks for posting.


8 posted on 01/04/2008 5:36:59 AM PST by PGalt
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To: SJackson; Slapshot68

The rest of “Islam’s accomplishments” were identical: they were the vestiges of the accomplishments of whatever society Islam had recently subjugated, which normally managed to limp along for 50-100 years after the imposition of Islam. Then true Islamic darkness settled over those societies, as well.


9 posted on 01/04/2008 5:37:03 AM PST by livius
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To: SJackson
I work for a large corporation. One thing you have to realize about folks like Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation is this. They know nothing. They have no conviction. They have speeches written for them. Without others contributing to these PC type speeches, most CEOs of very large Corporations would make sounds similar to those of early primates. One newly appointed CEO of a company I once worked for could not even pronounce the name of the company at a formal presentation.

The other thing you must know is that they will never respond to a letter such as this. In fact they will never read it. It is not part of their job description to do so because we all know how "busy" they are.

10 posted on 01/04/2008 5:38:55 AM PST by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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11 posted on 01/04/2008 5:39:11 AM PST by SJackson (If 45 million children had lived, they'd be defending America, filling jobs, paying SS-Z. Miller)
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To: livius

It’s kind of a shame. Given the advances in mathematics, etc that occurred in the Middle East, it’s a shame that Islam has pretty much squashed the advance of that society.

Just think where they might be had Islam experienced a reformation similar to that of Christianity.


12 posted on 01/04/2008 5:42:34 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: aruanan

You can group Communism and Naziism together as Socialism.


13 posted on 01/04/2008 5:42:49 AM PST by catman67
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To: SJackson

What I’d like to know is how the Assyrians knew about all the of planets in our solar system and that Saturn had rings, Uranus was blue-green and there was a missing planet. Is this a hoax? Bad interpretation of something else?


14 posted on 01/04/2008 5:46:02 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: Slapshot68

Yes, Islam swallowed any hopes of of a continuing Arab legacy. Although, we benefit from some of their discoveries still. What would life be like without Arabic numerals?


15 posted on 01/04/2008 5:48:16 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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To: SJackson

Mr. BetBasoo said it perfectly: “Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards.”

An Arabist I worked with in the Navy told me once that the word for “change” in Arabic was synonymous with “evil”.

We should never give up the fight against them.


16 posted on 01/04/2008 5:48:30 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: brwnsuga

See my post 12.


17 posted on 01/04/2008 5:49:54 AM PST by Slapshot68
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To: livius

Islam is just as accomplished as the Borg, but is more self-destructive.


18 posted on 01/04/2008 5:50:16 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: Slapshot68

yup. It is unlikely that a reform would ever take place in Islam.


19 posted on 01/04/2008 5:52:13 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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To: SJackson

MUSLIMS????

Well they were instrumental in winning the Democrat Iowa Caucus.


20 posted on 01/04/2008 5:52:16 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: wmileo

lol...I had to teach our Sr. VP of Marketing how to cut n’ paste a line of text.


21 posted on 01/04/2008 5:56:12 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Never get involved in a land war in Asia.")
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To: SJackson

Weren’t they the ones who taught a Camel to go 7 days without drinking? /sarc


22 posted on 01/04/2008 5:56:50 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: SJackson

Being successful and productive is not possible for Arabs.... it’s against their religion. They have only anarchy and misery as their legacy.


23 posted on 01/04/2008 5:57:57 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: kipita

It is something else. Such information are hints, little teases, that there may have existed far in the past, before the great meltdown at the end of the last ice age, highly developed civilizations.

Around 15,000 years ago, sea level was 500 feet lower than that of today. Archaeologists in India have been discovering sunken cities of stone, with pyramids, offshore of southern coastlines. Their Vedas have hinted at such things but western academics pooh-pooh the idea.

Portolan maps are reputed to show the shorelines that existed 15,000 - 8,000 years ago (pre-inundation). Columbus supposedly possessed one. All this is pretty far out, but the Assyrians weren’t the only ones who knew about the actual configuration of the solar system. So did ancient peoples in Central America.


24 posted on 01/04/2008 5:58:45 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: SJackson

Dear Editor:

“Muslim Spain was a perfect example of a flourishing society in which Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in mutual respect and cooperation.”

Muslim Spain was Christian Spain for over 400 years before being conquered by Islamic Armies in the 8th Century. That is the way the Islamic Religion has been historically spread, though military invasion and occupation. Treatment of conquered people has the same goal, the minimizing of other religions and conversion of the indigenous people. Among other rules for non Muslims in Muslim Spain; Christians and Jews could not bear arms — Muslims could; Christians and Jews could not ride horses — Muslims could; Christians and Jews had to get permission to build or fix places or worship — Muslims did not; Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not; Christians could not proselytize — Muslims could; Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters; Christians and Jews had to live under the laws set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law; Christian’s and Jew’s word in a court of law was not equal to a Muslim’s Word; Christian and Jewish families had to give up a son for conversion and military service in Muslim armies and the most beautiful and largest Christian Churches were converted to Mosques. And the list goes on.

Today, 1300 years later, a Christian or Jew living in an Islamic country will still have to live nearly under these very same laws. I can see why the head of the Philadelphia chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations would want us all to do “our part” to create such a world.

Regards,

2banana


25 posted on 01/04/2008 6:00:41 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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What I’d like to know is how the Assyrians knew about all the of planets in our solar system and that Saturn had rings, Uranus was blue-green and there was a missing planet. Is this a hoax? Bad interpretation of something else?

No, it's not a hoax. They learned these things from the Sumerians, who learned it from the Annunaki.

26 posted on 01/04/2008 6:02:30 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: SJackson

bump for later read.


27 posted on 01/04/2008 6:02:50 AM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: Slapshot68

Actually, Catholic Christianity was very interested in philosophy and science, and just before Islam invaded Spain, Southern Spain was the one bright spot in the Dark Ages. St. Isidore of Seville published his huge compendium of “all human knowledge,” including the work of Aristotle and Classical scientists and philosophers, only decades before the Muslim invasion.

For various reasons, Southern Spain had not been thoroughly conquered in the barbarian invasions. The invaders were Germanic tribes that were mostly Arian Christians. They were similar to Muslims in their rejection of the Trinity and hence, of created nature, and as they spread across Europe, the effect of Arianism and other variants that followed it destroyed much of European/ME Christian culture and unity, particularly among the Byzantine churches. This in turn was one of the factors that made it much easier for Islam to pick up momentum.

The problem with Islam is that it can’t be “reformed.” Reform means that the essence of something is good and all you have to do is get back to that essence; the problem with Islam is that its essence is evil, and in fact Islamic “reform” movements are actually those that seek to root out any moderation or reason and go back to the purity of the vicious, superstitious theocratic political system dreamed up by Mohammed.


28 posted on 01/04/2008 6:04:18 AM PST by livius
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To: SJackson

bump for posterity......


29 posted on 01/04/2008 6:08:01 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: SatinDoll
My ancestors invented concrete. We made things out of it...aqueducts...coliseums....shoes...
30 posted on 01/04/2008 6:09:16 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SJackson

Mr. BetBasoo confirms it. Islam needs to be eliminated from the earth, as surely as the Nazis and the Soviet Communists (and, soon, the Chicoms).

Excellent post.


31 posted on 01/04/2008 6:12:37 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: massgopguy

“.shoes...”
Thanks for the first laugh of the day!


32 posted on 01/04/2008 6:13:32 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: massgopguy

They were my ancestors, too.


33 posted on 01/04/2008 6:15:53 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: SJackson

After reaching a zenith in 15th century Moorish Spain, Muslim civilization retreated back to the 7th century and had no Renaissance, Reformation nor Enlightenment. It was the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment that in the west lead to all the things that have advanced our civilization to where it is today.


34 posted on 01/04/2008 6:16:45 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: SJackson

Before-and-after pics of the Great Pyramid offer a good example of the influence of Arab rule. Before them, it was smooth white limestone all over, the most perfect structure man had ever built. After they skinned it and hacked a hole in the side, searching for loot, it looks like a mountain of perfect rubble.


35 posted on 01/04/2008 6:22:41 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: tarheelswamprat; SJackson; SatinDoll
No, it's not a hoax. They learned these things from the Sumerians, who learned it from the Annunaki.

What's amazing about this is that the Annunaki supposedly created the double helix to create man (the intertwined snakes) and the modern day inventor of the double helix discovered it while taking LSD. And then there's a hypothesis that the Lion at Giza actually had a Lion's head (based on measurements of the body vs. the head) and was altered by the Egyptians. Also, the weathering on the Lion's body is eerily similar to water erosion, which means the date is before 10,000 years ago. For me what's amazing is the fact that the pryamid sank 6 inches since its creation and the angles of the hole relative to astrology match exactly to 12,500 years ago.

36 posted on 01/04/2008 6:24:26 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: Slapshot68

Sure, Arabs did accomplish a lot. They ran caravans through the desert, and attacked and pillaged other people’s caravans. There wasn’t much else you could do in that environment.
Then along came Mohammed, an illiterate eccentric from a single-parent family, who hit on the right combination: fanatical religion as a cover for a thriving business of conquest and enslavements.
Considering how sly Arabs can be, it is remarkable how uncreative and uninventive they have been for all these years. One author has noted that the total gross domestic products of all Arab countries (not counting petroleum income) is less that the GDP of tiny Finland. Islamic Arabs are among the worlds most notable underachievers. Where they go, poverty follows.


37 posted on 01/04/2008 6:30:30 AM PST by docbnj
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To: SJackson

“”... Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech she presented in Minneapolis on September 26, 2001. It is reprinted by permission. Please read and pass it on to others.””
don’t you remember ALL the scatology on PBS etc immediately following 911 ?
aRab contributions /history ?
we went wild.
I told my kids they couldn’t even invent a bobby pin or a Qtip.


38 posted on 01/04/2008 6:31:26 AM PST by catroina54
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bttt


39 posted on 01/04/2008 6:35:11 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: massgopguy

cement “shoes” - Ha! That’s funny.


40 posted on 01/04/2008 6:35:16 AM PST by NYFriend
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To: Slapshot68
“Just think where they might be had Islam experienced a reformation similar to that of Christianity.”

Islam is undergoing its reformation NOW! However, that’s not a good thing. A reformation restores the faith to its core values, and islam’s values are evil. The last 400 years of relative peace with these people were an anomaly; they have always been at war with us, and always will be; until either they or we are destroyed.

41 posted on 01/04/2008 6:40:45 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!)
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To: SJackson

And then there’s FGM, the ritualistic mutilation of young girls, a practice that is reported to be on the rise in Britain.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1947760/posts


42 posted on 01/04/2008 6:41:24 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: SJackson
the Arabist/Islamist ideology, which seeks to assimilate all cultures and religions into the Arab/Islamic fold

The left and the Islamists have the same first goal -
Destruction of Western Civilization.

Leftists are too short-sighted, however, to realize that they won't be able to replace our culture with a Secular Socialist one because the Islamists will enslave them first.

43 posted on 01/04/2008 6:47:04 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: brwnsuga
What would life be like without Arabic numerals?

About just the same, because what the Arabs call "Arabic" numerals, were in fact invented in India. Look it up.

44 posted on 01/04/2008 6:47:14 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: kipita

I wouldn’t know about the 12,500-year-old events, but the Hyksos invasion of Egypt was probably by Arab invaders. Pre-Islamic, around the 17th century BC, but it appears they took over a flabby, complacent Egypt without much of a fight.
Eurabia, take note. :(


45 posted on 01/04/2008 6:48:53 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: CarrotAndStick

Thanks for the education... however, I think that using “Arabic” numbers is much simpler than Roman numerals.


46 posted on 01/04/2008 6:52:36 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!!!)
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To: Slapshot68

Such a reformation would not be possible, as Islam today is the same as the Islam of Mohammed: designed to offer three choices: convert, submit (dhimmitude) or die. The only reformation is conversion, which is a death sentence.


47 posted on 01/04/2008 6:53:03 AM PST by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: 2banana

“Among other rules for non Muslims in Muslim Spain; Christians and Jews could not bear arms — Muslims could; Christians and Jews could not ride horses — Muslims could; Christians and Jews had to get permission to build or fix places or worship — Muslims did not; Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not; Christians could not proselytize — Muslims could; Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters; Christians and Jews had to live under the laws set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law; Christian’s and Jew’s word in a court of law was not equal to a Muslim’s Word; Christian and Jewish families had to give up a son for conversion and military service in Muslim armies and the most beautiful and largest Christian Churches were converted to Mosques. And the list goes on.”

Just change Muslim to democrat or RINO and you can see why so many of us are concerned about the future.


48 posted on 01/04/2008 6:57:51 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: massgopguy
As I heard one person put it....

“Italians! The fun fun people who brought us organized warfare, organized religion, and organized crime.”

My reply.....”What can I say? We gots talents for organization; you gonna disagree?”

49 posted on 01/04/2008 6:59:40 AM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: CarrotAndStick
1234567890 - Arabic numbers used by West

ارقام هندي ١٢٣٤٥٦٧٨٩٠ - (Indian numbers - traditional Arabic numbers)

50 posted on 01/04/2008 7:04:04 AM PST by Azeem (Only thing worse than war is peace at all costs.)
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