Posted on 01/04/2008 10:12:27 AM PST by Leisler
Sorry, Solson. “California continues to take steps to mitigate statewide energy crisis conditions it has encountered over the past decade such as sharply rising energy prices and rolling blackouts.” This is a purely fabricated man-made crisis resulting from the kowtowing to ultraenvirowackos and the lack of stones in any elected official to build power plants. We are NEVER going to conserve our way to prosperity. In the good old days of vertically integrated utilities and Integrated Resource Planning, utilities had a public service obligation to make sure enough capacity was built to avoid brownouts and blackouts. We are being forced back to the Carter era of cardigan sweaters by ultralibs. We need true conservative leaders who will stand up to this virulent agenda, but I don’t find many except perhaps Inhofe.
It’s obvious, too, that this is only one of many energy curtailment measures planned to comply with AB32. Right around the corner is a cap on the number of miles you will be able to drive per year (based on your needs, of course) without paying a surcharge penalty for excess emissions. This is a complete abridgment of our First Amendment right to freely assemble.
Nuclear power now. We need to build as many as possible, maybe even several per state. Then we can think about electric vehicles.
Someone once told me that the only difference between a husband and a wife was 3 degrees on the thermostat.
Anyways, with the FM radio, flush counting toilet, this will result in ‘higher prices at peak demand’( read taxes for common use ). Pamphlets will explain that by waiting say 12 hours until the next ‘flushing period’ a family can, with in reason, continue to use the toilet.( Your ‘usage’ may vary )
The creation of new power plants, or lack thereof, is also a "man-made" issue because of inability to zone, gain state and local support and inability to make it financially feasible.
Integrated Resource Planning today, especially in a non-real time pricing market, properly accounts for "virtual capacity" through Demand Response. It's tried, true, and works, especially in NYISO, ISO-NE, PJM, and ERCOT. It simply works.
There is nothing in AB32, nor any other Carbon Emissions bill that seeks to limit the amount of miles someone drives, much less the amount of energy they consume. It simply won't happen that way.
However, if you choose to use a crapload of power at peak times, the MARKET, the REAL energy MARKET, should appropriately charge you more.
It's all a supply and demand game as you know. Factor in real time pricing into any market and you will have market based incentives to reduce use during peak times. It's smart, makes sense, and is easy to do.
AND IT'S VOLUNTARY!
Anyways, with the FM radio, flush counting toilet, this will result in ‘higher prices at peak demand’( read taxes for common use ). Pamphlets will explain that by waiting say 12 hours until the next ‘flushing period’ a family can, with in reason, continue to use the toilet.( Your ‘usage’ may vary )
I’m a builder.
Like all builders I need to have a permit before I can begin construction, and that includes meeting the energy code.
Long story short: I was required to install a furnace of a certain small size in a new house. It was 20 below the morning I went in to plead the case for a larger furnace.
The code outlined that I could have a 60 degree temperature rise, and so I asked the code guy “So, you want me to install this furnace, and the house will be a stable 40 degrees inside in weather like we had last night?”
Total silence.
He graciously ‘allowed’ me to install a two stage furnace to get around the code..
Wrong temperatures, sorry.
It was 10 below that night, not 20, the allowed temperature raise is 60 degrees, the stable inside temperature would be 50 degrees.
In theory, there could be just one single little plant, and people could bid and you would consider that a ‘market’ system.
It would be market if you had competition, offering consumers a variety of choices. As it is, it is politics. Consumers are limited, on purpose, options by law.
I don’t call forced limitations of choice ‘free’.
That’s my argument with it. Not the generation/use part, but the elitist electrical fascism of it.
All permits will have to be filed by the third week in January for the 'scheduled' upcoming work for the year. And...so forth.
I STILL wouldn’t buy the house.
We rarely use our central air and heat anymore. Since the price of natural gas went so high, I have found it is less expensive to heat whichever room we are in with an electric space heater. We also have a real fireplace in the den and a pellet stove in the living room.
For summer we put 2 large Mastercools on our house. One is for the front living areas and the other is for the back bedrooms. We usually only run 1 at a time dependent on where we are in the house.
I am sure PG&E hates my guts now since in the summers our electric bills went from $600 a mnth to less than $200.
In the winter our electric bill went from $200 and a $200 gas bill to about $150 for electric and $20 for gas.
Happiest I have been about our utility bills in a long time, they were killing us.
ping
“I’ve got no doubt this is nothing but a prelude to a complete ban on wood heat because, as we all know, envirowackos will NEVER EVER be satisfied with the environment until all humans are exterminated.”
Remember the ‘70’s? Wood burning was touted as being “environmental” by the hippies.
Let them ban wood. I will merely collect their shite, dry it, and burn it right under their noses. Wouldn't be as much work as putting up 6 cord of rock maple every year.
Also there is a way to heat your home by burning only at night, when the enviro whackos are all home tucked into their cozy little liberal Utopian cocoons.
Of course, you ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT THE “ELITES” WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THESE RESTRICTIONS.
Of course. Look at the Pope Algore's new palace. We are told how much less energy he is now using. Actually his consumption isn't going down much. His consumption is being divided between the local power plant AND HIS OWN power generation from solar cells, etc.
So his full use is no longer publicly monitored. He's still using the power. If it is so viable, he should generate all of his own energy.
Unless I’m quite confused, the “temperature rise” is the difference between the intake and outlet temperatures. Take your house at 10 below and turn on the furnace. Intake air is 10 below, outlet temp is 50. After a while the intake air begins to rise in temperature and so does the outlet temp. A few hours later the ambient air temperature inside stabilizes at a nice 70 and the thermostat shuts down.
The only way you would have a stable 50 at the conditions you mention is if you were stupid enough to draw all your intake air directly from the outside.
Your results may vary depending on size and insulation of structure and size of furnace.
This is off topic but, I`ve been off line for a while and am having trouble posting a thread.How do you get to that page?
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