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'It's Generations X and Y, Stupid!'
Reuters, Generational Targeted Marketing ^ | 1-4-2008 | Ann Fishman

Posted on 01/04/2008 3:51:25 PM PST by unspun

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To: Mr. Silverback

I said listen with open ears, Mr. S.

Here’s my take on the commercial bit. Huckabee didn’t pretend he thought the media wouldn’t leak the commercial, since TV stations had it. And so, he went ahead and showed it, but only on the dimly lit screens standing in the room (and apparently without proper testing of it, since it had so many glitches).

He may have thought a shot across the bow of Romney’s destroyer was enough, while showing him up. Pretty good, effective decision making, it appears, while paying attention to his conscience.

Keep positive yourself, now, Mr. S. What candidate are you positive about?


101 posted on 01/04/2008 11:50:22 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: wardaddy

I must’ve done something right by going to Bama. I don’t remember a whole lot of support for Dukakis or even Bubba though we were temporarily in Jackson that year. Reagan was King in those parts. The folks I knew who were libs all went to MS State. hahahaha. (I admit that most of my State friends were Republican, but I digress.) My daddy was WWII generation, and my mother was a BBer. I think I listened to my Daddy more. :-)

I don’t have a good handle on what most Xers want out of government. We have so many military friends of the same age group (yes, Xers are actually serving in the military as I type. and served during the last Gulf War. And served as Cold Warriors in the war where no blood was lost—not), and our current residence is in the middle of the only libland in the state of AZ. Our military friends are of a less government/strong defense mentality. Our local friends are of a “wewantequality” mentality. They don’t really want that, but it makes them feel good to think that they do.

I find it very disturbing that no Republican candidate is articulating less government and more personal responsibility as a campaign theme. Reagan ran on a platform of lowering taxes and defeating the Evil Empire. What are candidates running on now?


102 posted on 01/04/2008 11:52:07 PM PST by petitfour
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To: Kellykoop

I was born a year later, and I’ve always considered myself a part of the Reagan Generation.


103 posted on 01/04/2008 11:57:59 PM PST by petitfour
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To: LibertyRocks

It’s funny I think, how these Gen-X forums turn into an argument about how Gen-X should be defined. What it comes down to is that the prime time for Baby Boomers to have babies was between about 1961/65 and 1978/82 making kids born during that time period the next generation group.

Who cares how else it’s defined? Sheesh. Do you and people you know define yourselves by what letter of teh alphabet is cooler?

BTW, I was born in 1979 and from the the time I was four I was at the very least aware of the Reagan presidency. The second term I remember pretty damn well. Yeah, I was only six, but a school program my parents put me in sort of forced me into it. So, can I be part of your generation, please?

I’m not trying to take anything out on you, so please pardon my tone. I just ended up on you post when finally replying. I was really hoping for some sort of substance in the replies from this thread, but, got what I got instead.


104 posted on 01/05/2008 6:44:14 AM PST by raynearhood ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them."- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

True, but I was born in 1963 and my experience and culture is more attuned to yours then it is to those born in the 50’s.


105 posted on 01/05/2008 6:51:06 AM PST by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: 386wt

Those of us born in the 60’s and 70’s did not have any of those things.


106 posted on 01/05/2008 6:53:49 AM PST by defconw (Pray for Snow!)
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To: RipSawyer
I don't disagree with your remarks. Nowadays, it seems everyone stays at home or barely independent into their 30s. I moved out on my own at 18, as soon as I finished high school, and never looked back. That's one of the things that led me to conservatism as a political philosophy--I listen to Rush Limbaugh's monologues about self-reliance, and it resonated with me.

That said, I've always sort of admired folks who had stable families, with parents who provided good, solid instruction and guidance. I didn't have that. I'm not complaining about it. It's just the way it was. I was very fortunate to spend some portion of my life living with my grandmother, who was born and raised in a one room shack in Mississippi, and raised her kids on her own through the Depression. She gave me enough of a sense of the school of hard knocks that I was able to learn what I needed to learn to be independent. I've carried my own weight in the boat throughout my adult life. I think that people just get softer and softer, with less and less appreciation of the real facts of life. I'm an American history buff. I sometimes say to people that 150 years ago, families crossed the continent in horse drawn wagons. If they ran out of food, they ate the dog and used his entrails to grease the wagon wheels. Americans, a lot of them anyway, lost their guts and meddle a long time ago. But don't anyone try blaming me for it. All I said was that I did in fact fend for myself. I like to say life taught me the lessons my parents failed to teach me. Again, not complaining. Just a fact. Alan Simpson, the old WY senator had a funny line. He said "I'm a self made man, thus saving God from an awesome responsibility." Funny line, but truth is, I believe I've had God's help all along, even though I don't deserve it. Thanks for writing.

107 posted on 01/05/2008 12:36:29 PM PST by Huck (OK fine, I'll see you after Feb. 5th. (it's like a temporary opus))
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To: Huck

You sound like the fellow I always wanted living next door but I never got that lucky!


108 posted on 01/05/2008 2:28:26 PM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: RipSawyer

Aw shucks. I’m ok as a neighbor. My lawn looks nice. I pick up the trash. I pretty much keep to myself. I wave to my neighbors and say hello. Other than that I mind my own business. Gee, now I’m starting to sound like a serial killer. (seemed like a nice guy, quiet, kept to himself..)


109 posted on 01/05/2008 3:43:49 PM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there on non-primary related topics.)
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To: RipSawyer; Huck

Can I live on the other side of Huck?


110 posted on 01/05/2008 4:16:41 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: ShadowDancer

“I’m apparently from that generation and when I was growing up we still had the phones on the wall that you had to dial and if someone pissed you off you could brain them with the receiver alone they were so heavy...”

I recently purchased a home built in the late 40s-early 50s with a wall jack in the kitchen. I had to purchase a phone online because I couldn’t find any in the stores. I wanted the basic corded wall phone with a male jack in the back to just plug into the wall and had to resort to online shopping.


111 posted on 01/05/2008 4:20:13 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: peggybac

Yer embarrassing me now :-) Thanks for being so nice. I can be sort of a wisecracker, especially here online, so I don’t want you to get the wrong impression and think i’m a nice guy or anything. But I’m an ok neighbor I suppose.


112 posted on 01/05/2008 4:24:51 PM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there on non-primary related topics.)
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To: unspun
I said listen with open ears, Mr. S.

I'm going to ask you nicely: Please stop insulting my intelligence by implying that I am not paying attention because I haven't come to the same conclusion you have.

Here’s my take on the commercial bit. Huckabee didn’t pretend he thought the media wouldn’t leak the commercial, since TV stations had it. And so, he went ahead and showed it, but only on the dimly lit screens standing in the room (and apparently without proper testing of it, since it had so many glitches).

When a man says he's not going to do something because it might be dangerous for his soul, then he does it by a slightly different channel, that's being a weasel. Apologizing for it should be beneath you.

Keep positive yourself, now, Mr. S. What candidate are you positive about?

Fred Thompson. Though he has his flaws, I'm positive he's not a weasel who thumps the Bible with one hand while stabbing Governor Romney with the other.

113 posted on 01/06/2008 6:44:54 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
When a man says he's not going to do something because it might be dangerous for his soul, then he does it by a slightly different channel, that's being a weasel. Apologizing for it should be beneath you.

I'll let someone speak for his own soul. He didn't say he disagreed with what he said in the ad. He said he didn't want to run those commercials. He didn't want to change the focus of his campaign. He didn't want to get mired in negativity.

There is a time and a place for every decent thing, under the sun. And there is a difference between saying something once and saying it over and over again.

114 posted on 01/06/2008 6:51:33 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Children who grew up in the richest, most secure period in US History "had to fend for themselves from an early age"? Talk about drama queen teen angst and hysteric nonsense.

No, I know what the author is saying, this was me. I grew up middle class in the seventies and eighties. This was the period when mothers really started leaving the home en masse to work, by divorce or choice, thereby leaving the kids to their own means.

My mom worked in my dad's office, my buddy's mom also worked. Two other families in our neighborhood had houses in which a parent split. All of us had the run our houses (and neighborhood, and woods, and arcades...) for hours after school and during school breaks. It wasn't "angsty", "hysterical" (ok, sometimes it was that) or anything dramatic, it just involved junk food, bb guns, discovered stashes of Hustler, atari, experiments with gasoline, and lots of bad cable. Personally I'm often surprised we all reached adulthood with all our fingers and toes.

In any event, those days are mostly gone from the middle and upper class, as nowadays, every minute of a child's day is scheduled with a government approved, developmentally stimulating activity that involves a nutritious snack and regimented water breaks. Probably better, but it seems the pendulum has swung too far.

In any event, I agree with the authors assessment on this point.

115 posted on 01/06/2008 7:18:20 PM PST by MichiganMan (Last year, this consumer spent over $1,700 on Linux compatible hardware.)
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To: 386wt
"had to fend for themselves from an early age"

And they had cell phones, 500 plus tv channels and IPOD!

You missed it. He was talking about Gen X'ers. We grew up in the seventies and eighties. It wasn't rough, but there was no cell phones or ipods in sight, and 30 channels with HBO was the expensive plan on this new cable service.

116 posted on 01/06/2008 7:27:24 PM PST by MichiganMan (Last year, this consumer spent over $1,700 on Linux compatible hardware.)
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To: MichiganMan

And in addition to broken homes, it used to be that one income could provide for a house full of kids.


117 posted on 01/06/2008 7:34:10 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

This is great. I love these articles that sterotype each generation, i.e., all boomers are hippies, drug addicts and selfish bums who think only of themselves and collected their SS. Wish I would be around when they get to my age and the next generations that step up to the plate cast blame on Gen. X & Y. You best hope the Dems don’t take office because the greatest give-a-way is about to take place.


118 posted on 01/06/2008 7:51:40 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: unspun
And in addition to broken homes, it used to be that one income could provide for a house full of kids.

One income can still provide everything it did during the time period you're referring to. It just won't provide digital cable, computers, cell phones, cars that last 10 years, and any number of other things that didn't exist then that we've since decided can't be absent in a life that one enjoys.

We haven't lost the buying power of an income, we've raised our standard of living. Most agree thats a good thing, those that don't don't seem to be giving up the "unnecessary" modern luxuries in any significant numbers.

119 posted on 01/06/2008 7:54:32 PM PST by MichiganMan (Last year, this consumer spent over $1,700 on Linux compatible hardware.)
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To: MichiganMan
We haven't lost the buying power of an income, we've raised our standard of living.

Not when you count the costs of reasonable real estate and health care.

120 posted on 01/06/2008 7:58:28 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun
I'll let someone speak for his own soul.

Now who's got closed ears? I didn't say anything about Huckabee's soul, Huckabee did! At the press conference he told the reporters that he had chosen to pull the ad because "what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?" Then, while standing between placards with text from the ad, he showed it to them. He talked about his soul, not me.

He said he didn't want to run those commercials. He didn't want to change the focus of his campaign. He didn't want to get mired in negativity.

Then he should have pulled them and shut up. I mean really, you're thinking this guy will be a great president, but even if I'm wrong about him and it was totally honest, this incident just means that he's afraid to tell the press, "Sorry, you can't see that." Yeah, that's exactly the kind of guy who can stare down America's enemies.

And there is a difference between saying something once and saying it over and over again.

A man who claims to be qualified to be a Christian minister and President of the United States should be expected to know that taking words back is like getting toothpaste back in the tube. That goes triple for words said in front of a room full of reporters on a national political beat.

If he isn't a weasel, he's incompetent. Neither is what I'm looking for in a President, and as I noted before, this press conference is not the only issue I have with him.

121 posted on 01/06/2008 10:25:05 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
And there is a difference between saying something once and saying it over and over again.

A man who claims to be qualified to be a Christian minister and President of the United States should be expected to know that taking words back is like getting toothpaste back in the tube. That goes triple for words said in front of a room full of reporters on a national political beat.

I told you -- he has nothing to take back, here.

You're posts are getting too silly, not to mention off-topic. See me elsewhere, if you like, Mr. gorilla man.

122 posted on 01/06/2008 10:51:20 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

later


123 posted on 01/07/2008 5:16:47 AM PST by Tenacious 1
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To: unspun
You're posts are getting too silly, not to mention off-topic.

1. Not true. This is a thread about Huckabee's appeal (among others) and we have been discussing reasons conservatives should be/should not be supporting him.

2. Discussion of character and leadership are never off-topic during a presidential campaign.

See me elsewhere, if you like, Mr. gorilla man.

Hmmm...guess you're infected with a bunker mentality.

124 posted on 01/07/2008 6:46:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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