Posted on 01/04/2008 9:14:50 PM PST by WFTR
You're wading knee-deep in science if you're following the presidential primaries this year, but in some cases, the candidates' positions are as clear as mud.
Stem-cell research, climate change, alternative fuels and creationism versus evolution in public education are acknowledged by even some of the most marginalized candidates.
More broadly, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, John McCain and Barack Obama have directly criticized the current Bush Administration for its science policies, with accusations — based on numerous media reports — ranging from data distortion to research censorship.
"I respect scientists and the scientific method, so I believe that policy should be science driven and that science shouldn't be politics driven," Edwards told LiveScience, in response to a question about federal funding for embryonic-stem-cell research, which he supports.
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1. The article talks about embrionic stem-cell research, but the article doesn't mention the fact that recent advances have made embrionic stem cells obsolete. They have found ways to make stem cells from other cells more efficiently than they can make embrionic stem cells. This technique doesn't involve the creation of an embryo, so the technique should give all of the benefits without the question of whether killing an embryo is the same as killing a person. Undoubtedly, some liberals would enjoy killing embryos simply because many conservatives see embryos as people, but the scientist who developed the process to get embrionic stem cells has said that his technique is now obsolete. This development goes a long way to validate further the stand that President Bush took against establishing more embrionic stem cell lines.
2. The article says that John McCain puts environmentalism on an equal footing with national defense. If true, we have another example of John McCain representing the media more than any other group.
3. There's an interesting quote at the end. I'll copy the quote here.
Nonetheless, Rep. Vernon Ehlers, a former physicist and current Republican member of the House Science Committee, told Science that Romney is the "best choice for any scientist or engineer," because the candidate "appreciates the benefits of science."
I'm largely supporting Mitt Romney unless Duncan Hunter makes a huge advance in the next two weeks, and I'm an engineer. I'm not sure that I see him as being that much better a candidate from the perspective of engineers and scientists. As a doctor, Ron Paul should have a pretty good grip on technical issues. Did John McCain graduate from the Naval Academy? If so, he should have a strong engineering background. Otherwise, I don't see any of the other candidates as having strong technical backgrounds. However, I can see Mitt understanding the need for good technical teams to be behind the products of some companies that he's managed.
What do others in technical fields think about this idea?
Bill
Mike Huckabee slept in a Holiday Inn last night.
“I respect scientists and the scientific method, so I believe that policy should be science driven and that science shouldn’t be politics driven,” ~ John Edwards
LOL. Just say “science is good”, John, and save some trees.
However, it is important that any one that is elected president have somewhat of a grasp on science or at least believe in the scientific method.
I do not get the feeling that the guy who won the GOP Iowa Caucus last night has any grasp or science whatsoever.
I am not sure Huck could pass a 6th Grade science class.
I saw that Edward’s quote too. I guess he is quite sensitive to criticism on this subject since he used junk science to make his fortune.
I saw that Edward’s quote too. I guess he is quite sensitive to criticism on this subject since he used junk science to make his fortune.
and Channelling for Bucks!
"What is 1 + 1?"
Scientist: 2
Economist: Ceteris paribus, it's 2.
Lawyer: What do you want it to be?
LOL
Considering some of the ways that Edwards likely twisted technical facts as a trial lawyer, his talking about the scientific method reeks of hypocrisy.
I agree that we don’t need a president who is that strong technically, but we need a president who understands that physical laws are not subject to change or compromise just because someone wants them to change or calls a meeting to talk about them changing.
Well scientific method to John is If A, then C, then I get a million bucks.
I sure wouldn’t take the bet.
I sure wouldn’t take the bet.
We know that Huck could not pass an 8th Grade Geography test thus, I feel confident that he could not pass a science class.
BTW-Where in Louisiana are you?
I have an engineering degree and while I wouldn’t call myself an engineer by trade, I do some amount of engineering for work and I work with engineers on a daily basis.
Frankly, I don’t care what a candidate’s views on stem cells, creationism, or other such technical issues are, as long as he or she recognizes that those issues are none of the business of the federal government and will leave himself and his administration out of them.
While I agree with you on stem cells and creationism, some issues require that politicians have a little bit of technical understanding. I would have a hard time voting for someone who seemed incapable of understanding the basic science around some issues. For instance, the federal government has always been involved in infrastructure. The Founding Fathers recognized that the post roads that they built to deliver the mail would have tremendous commercial benefits for the whole country. The question of aging bridges is a very technical question, and I would not feel good about a president who couldn't understand the concepts for some of the solutions that might be proposed.
Bill
I agree with you in that I wouldn’t feel good voting for a candidate who didn’t grasp basic science. But I would feel better voting for a candidate who acknowledged that he was not scientifically adept but would keep the government out of science than I would voting for someone like Jimmy Carter who was objectively a well-educated scientific mind but who wanted to use the federal government to control issues not in its Constitutional purview.
Originally from Lafayette; to answer your question, Baton Rouge. I hunt, fish and play midway in the Atchafalaya Basin.
Ever been in the area?
I think I know every bump and joint in I-10 between Lafayette and Baton Rouge however, most of trips are to and from Texas and New Orleans. I grew-up in New Orleans and not spend half my time in NOLA and the other in Austin.
As I kid I spent a lot of time down in Thibaudeaux and worked as a shrimper out of Empire. As an adult I worked some rigs in Cameron Parish as well as out in the Gulf out of Morgan City and Venice.
Now, when I am on I-10 between BR and Lafayette, where is the best place to eat some good seafood gumbo, boiled crawfish or boudin?
I was going to sleep but I caught your last post and will reply with directions:
Best Boudin:
My favorite is from “Best Stop” grocery, get off the Scott exit and go north about a half mile to a little red concrete block store on your left. The boudin is “the best”, their fresh pork sausage is great on the pit or in a pot(mail me for the best way).
Best crawfish/gumbo:
I boil my own so that is the best, but on I10, get off at the Henderson exit go left and try Crawfishtown USA (used to meet my folks there and the bugs were big, good and top dollar) or take a right and left at the light and go to Pat’s. Full menu, their gumbo is good, catfish, shrimp, crawfish, ...
if you’re going to Pat’s and you see a spinning red light after the boat business on your right-stop!!and get 4 or 5 loaves of french bread from T’Sue’s Bakery (excellent french bread) and go in the supermarket next door and be sure and buy at least 2lbs. of chaurice (pork) sausage and check out the rest of the meat display. For a real kicking display go to Hebert’s in Maurice.
If you are ever on I 12 in Hammond La. and take a right on 55 S to get to I10 to NOLA be sure and stop at Mittendorf’s!
Damn good seafood, big soft shell crabs.
Try this
http://www.boudinlink.com
Billeauds store in Broussard is #2.
This ought to keep you full for a while, enjoy, I have!
Questions?
G’night Ya’ll.
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