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Transgender woman sues hospital (Catholic-Owned Seton Won't Let Her Get Breast Surgery Eeewww!)
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 1/5/08 | Barbara Feder Ostrov

Posted on 01/05/2008 10:01:16 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

"God made you a man." That's what Charlene Hastings said she was told when she called to inquire about breast enlargement surgery at Seton Medical Center, a Catholic hospital in Daly City. Now the San Franciscan is suing the hospital, claiming officials there discriminated against her because she had a sex-change operation.

Hastings, 57, had already had the major surgery she needed to become a woman. She had chosen a San Francisco plastic surgeon with privileges at Seton to perform the breast augmentation in October 2006. But the surgeon, Dr. Leonard Gray, told her that Seton no longer allowed him to operate on transgender patients, Hastings said. "It's a blatant case of discrimination."

The lawsuit pits the rights of transgendered people against the hospital's rights to operate according to its religious principles.

State law allows religiously affiliated hospitals to refuse to provide abortions, but there is no specific religious exemption allowing hospitals to deny elective surgery to transgender people. Seton is a member of the Daughters of Charity Health System, which operates five Catholic hospitals in California.

"Seton Medical Center provides medically necessary services to all individuals," Nikels said in a prepared statement. "However, the hospital does not perform surgical procedures contrary to Catholic teaching; for example, abortion, direct euthanasia, transgender surgery or any of its related components." The hospital did not comment directly on the lawsuit.

Wertz thinks Seton's policy violates the Unruh Act, a state law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of gender, gender identity or sexual orientation. "There's simply no religious exemption in the Unruh Act," Wertz said.

"This is a civil rights story," he said. "It is about transgender people being able to use businesses and other facilities on an equal basis as other people. If you took out 'transgender' in the lawsuit

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: catholichospitals; homosexualagenda; lawsuit; yuck
"God made you a man" -- Love it! Right to the point. The next sentence should have been "Now act like one."

There's a pic of "Charlene" in the paper today, but it's not online. Probably a good thing, too. If you haven't hurled after reading the story, the pic would have certainly sent you over the top.

The lawsuit was filed Dec. 21 in San Francisco Superior Court. How do you suppose it will turn out? [purely rhetorical question]

1 posted on 01/05/2008 10:01:17 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Why is it that it’s the ‘you can’t legislate morality’ liberals who are always trying to use the law to force their values on others? [Rhetorical question]


2 posted on 01/05/2008 10:07:46 AM PST by Spok
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Hastings, 57, had already had the major surgery she needed to become a woman.

Radical cutitoffomy, to be precise.

3 posted on 01/05/2008 10:10:14 AM PST by Sender (Feel like, I feel like a poke chop san'wich)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"It is about transgender people being able to use businesses

I've been waiting for this type of slippery slope with the words again. The same thing that invented words like "Undocumented immigrant."

Trangenderism has nothing to do with this. The item in question is a transsexual.

That's what Charlene Hastings said she was told when she called to inquire about breast enlargement surgery at Seton Medical Center, a Catholic hospital in Daly City.

Cut or not, you are still a dude. And you do not pass. - Sorry.

4 posted on 01/05/2008 10:10:22 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

As opposed to the opposite procedure, addadictomy.


5 posted on 01/05/2008 10:10:42 AM PST by Sender (Feel like, I feel like a poke chop san'wich)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The hospital should simply revoke Dr. Gray’s practicing/affiliation rights. He should no better than even attempt to perform this type of butchery at a Catholic Hospital.


6 posted on 01/05/2008 10:12:13 AM PST by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: Sender
"God made you a man Amen to that

cutitoffomy Priceless!

7 posted on 01/05/2008 10:12:48 AM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

It doesn’t matter what these misguided souls do, at the end of their lives they still have the original DNA that they were born with. It would probably be a whole lot better if they tried therapy to accept their birth gender.


8 posted on 01/05/2008 10:13:52 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
She had chosen a San Francisco plastic surgeon with privileges at Seton to perform the breast augmentation in October 2006.

Reporters these days! They don't even tell us which breast the sick man wants augmented.
9 posted on 01/05/2008 10:14:49 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"There's simply no religious exemption in the Unruh Act," Wertz said.

Then that law is abhorrent to the Constitution and should be struck down.

10 posted on 01/05/2008 10:28:15 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

RomneyCare.


11 posted on 01/05/2008 10:34:37 AM PST by Leisler
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Nothing wrong with these "people"....wouldn't you hire them in YOUR business?


12 posted on 01/05/2008 10:34:52 AM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Whatever differences I have in theology with Catholics I cannot deny their good works. Building hospitals in virtually every major city in the world, missions, soup kitchens and every other kind of good work. This is how I know them. And here comes the world, in its most perverted face, to fight the Church in its mission to heal the sick in Jesus' name. The world hates the light. The light convicts them and they seek to extinguish it wherever it is found.

Satan's battle against the bride of Christ is in full force both from without, and more dangerously, from within. The pressure on the saints to conform to the world increases every day with the force of the state being advanced incrementally to accomplish this. Our communities have been infiltrated with wolves in sheep's clothing preaching a worldly Gospel, "having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power." We are seeing the chaff blown away and those of true faith must remain strong and steadfast.

13 posted on 01/05/2008 10:37:57 AM PST by joebuck
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I think this has less to do with getting the operation than it has to do with forcing another institution to bow to the perverted desires of a slim sub-set of society.


14 posted on 01/05/2008 10:39:08 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid...even by congressional standards.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Without a doubt. He could easily have sought his operation at another hospital more obliging to his aberrant group.


15 posted on 01/05/2008 11:22:50 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: RobinOfKingston
"I think this has less to do with getting the operation than it has to do with forcing another institution to bow to the perverted desires of a slim sub-set of society."

Exactly. Why should a hospital be forced to perform surgery it doesn't think necessary anyway? What if someone wanted a breast implant on the top of his head? Should the surgeon be forced to do that?

16 posted on 01/05/2008 11:24:51 AM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Spok

How about the other argument used....

“well, my genes make me a homosexual, and you can’t change
that...but if my genes make me feel like a women ,
well I have to change that...” bunch o’hypocritical sophists.

The best argument is this,IMHO,...since the person who wants
the sex change operation usually tells the doc that they
(the patient) feels like a member of the opposite sex already,
than it is apparent that their physical structure does not
effect how they perceive themselves. Therefore changing their organs
will not effect them. So, therefore it is an elective
cosmetic surgery(fill in the word mutilation, for accuracy)


17 posted on 01/05/2008 12:02:14 PM PST by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"There's simply no religious exemption in the Unruh Act," Wertz said

How about:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ...."

I'm certain that there is another hospital in San Fagcisco where the doctor can do his little nip/tuck.

19 posted on 01/05/2008 12:17:26 PM PST by reg45
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

If the hospital is a private one is it still liable?


20 posted on 01/05/2008 12:28:16 PM PST by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Just think, when HillaryObamaCare arrives, we will be paying for this kind of crap.
21 posted on 01/05/2008 12:32:10 PM PST by reg45
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
These people are sick.
Next, one will wake up and think they should be a Golden retriever, and want surgery to achieve that.
Woof, woof...
22 posted on 01/05/2008 12:32:34 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Sender

Hastings, 57, had already had the major surgery she needed to become a woman. Radical cutitoffomy, to be precise.

who did he/she use as the doctor.....lorenea bobbitt?????


23 posted on 01/05/2008 1:37:58 PM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: RobinOfKingston

Exactly right. However, you can bet that if this hospital were some other “faith,” the ACLU would be doing backflips to ensure that the hospital need not perform procedures in conflict with thier sincerely held beliefs. After all, even Target employees have the right not to handle bacon and pork chops at the checkout stand because it’s “against their religion.” No, this is yet another attempt to force Catholic hospitals to compromise their beliefs or risk losing Medicaid and Medicare funding (though I am not implying that this poor soul’s implant is government funded). Many Catholic hospitals have shut down their ob/gyn departments so as not to be forced to do abortions, and all are in the dilemma of what do do about emergency contraception. But if you are another religion your beliefs are not just respected, they are pandered to.


24 posted on 01/05/2008 4:03:51 PM PST by informavoracious
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
"This certainly isn't an isolated incident," said Kristina Wertz, legal director of the Advertisement Transgender Law Center in San Francisco. "This is a civil rights story."

Uh, BS. It's one more attempt by the idiots on the left to use the courts to achieve what they can't achieve via referendum or in the legislature.

25 posted on 01/05/2008 4:37:09 PM PST by tom h
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

So...breast implants are a civil right. Okay.


26 posted on 01/05/2008 4:53:27 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I thought the picture of Kerry and Edwards went with the story.


27 posted on 01/06/2008 12:59:57 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
rights of transgendered people

Funny, I missed that amendment in the Bill of Rights. Anybody seen that missing amendment?

28 posted on 01/06/2008 1:15:42 PM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: traditional1
Nothing wrong with these "people"....wouldn't you hire them in YOUR business?

Sure I would, if I owned a freak show :)

29 posted on 01/06/2008 1:46:51 PM PST by Popman ("We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: joebuck

There was a big Catholic pro-family (that is, anti-”gay marriage,” “transgendered whatevers,” and “all abortion all the time”) demonstration in Madrid, Spain, a few days ago. The Socialist powers that be are now demanding that the Spanish bishops apologize!

Since the Pope issued a message from Rome congratulating the organizers, I guess they’ll be demanding his apology next.


30 posted on 01/06/2008 1:54:35 PM PST by livius
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To: traditional1
Nothing wrong with these "people"....wouldn't you hire them in YOUR business?

I bet that Rudy would!!

31 posted on 01/06/2008 1:55:50 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: joebuck

You got that right


32 posted on 01/06/2008 2:00:06 PM PST by mathurine
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To: traditional1

So THAT’S why my employees wanted the day off the other day!

I keed, I keed....


33 posted on 01/06/2008 2:02:24 PM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

First of all, he’s not a woman.


34 posted on 01/06/2008 2:04:07 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

what really makes me mad is these “females” get bigger breasts than some us real women.....LOL!!!


35 posted on 01/06/2008 2:05:03 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

LOL. Now that’s a complaint I never expected to hear!


36 posted on 01/06/2008 3:18:50 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: traditional1
There are too many images we have of transgender/ transsexual people that are offensive... Generalizations about the anyone group of makes us blind sighted as to people inherent God sacredness. You don’t have to like trans- but you should love them as God’s creatures. This being said, the Catholic hospital has a right to represent it Catholic values in the world and not take on the values of the world. One more thing: I am a transsexual. It is something I have to live with... (and a lot of therapy...). I have tried to live a very conservative and wholesome adult life... not premiscuous and the like, and I am very devoted to my Faith. Imperfect I am, I trust in God’s Grace and forgiveness. I have tried to be one with God’s will with all my heart.
37 posted on 01/07/2008 2:57:04 AM PST by Little Robin (Balancing our perspectives from a transsexual)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Agreed. He could simply go back to the hospital that provided him the sex-change operation. So there’s an agenda here that’s more than just the breast enlargement.


38 posted on 01/07/2008 3:23:07 AM PST by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS) Iím paranoid. The only question is, am I paranoid enough?)
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To: Little Robin

Sorry; I don’t buy it. Have your DNA tested if you can’t figure out what sex you are by LOOKING. If you have difficulty dealing with who you are, continue to seek professional help. I have no sympathy for those who are unwilling to accept reality and move on.


39 posted on 01/07/2008 4:01:20 AM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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40 posted on 01/07/2008 5:43:46 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: informavoracious
If I remember correctly, Catholic Hospitals in Canada are not even allowed to provide ANY gynecological/ childbirth services, because the law there ways you have to provide ALL services, includingabortion and surgical sterilization if requested.

You're allowed to hold the Catholic faith. You're just not allowed to practice it.

That's friendly free-world Canada. And in America? Stay tuned.

41 posted on 01/07/2008 6:19:22 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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