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Great Britain: Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims (Too dangerous to enter)
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | January 5, 2007 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones

Posted on 01/05/2008 2:54:47 PM PST by Stoat

Bishop warns of no-go zones for non-Muslims


By Jonathan Wynne-Jones
 
Last Updated: 7:53pm GMT 05/01/2008
 

 

Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter, one of the Church of England's most senior bishops warns today.

  • The Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester and the Church's only Asian bishop, says that people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology.

     
    The Right Reverend Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester
    Bishop Nazir-Ali warns that attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character

     

    Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, he compares the threat to the use of intimidation by the far-Right, and says that it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christianity to be the nation's public religion in a multifaith, multicultural society.

    His comments come as a poll of the General Synod - the Church's parliament - shows that its senior leaders, including bishops, also believe that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration.

    Bishop Nazir-Ali, who was born in Pakistan, gives warning that attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character by introducing the call to prayer and wider use of sharia law, a legal system based on the Koran.

    In an attack on the Government's response to immigration and the influx of "people of other faiths to these shores", he blames its "novel philosophy of multiculturalism" for allowing society to become deeply divided, and accuses ministers of lacking a "moral and spiritual vision".

    Echoing Trevor Phillips, the chairman of the Commission for Equalities and Human Rights, who has said that the country is "sleepwalking into segregation", the bishop argues that multiculturalism has led to deep divisions.

    David Davis, the shadow home secretary, has accused Muslims of promoting a kind of "voluntary apartheid" by shutting themselves in closed societies and demanding immunity from criticism.

    In the Synod survey, to be published this week, bishops, senior clergy and influential churchgoers said that an increasingly multi-faith society threatens the country's Christian heritage and blamed the divisions on the Government's failure to integrate immigrants into their communities.

    It found that more than one in three believe that a mass influx of people of other faiths is diluting the Christian nature of Britain and only a quarter feel that they have been integrated into society.

    The overwhelming majority - 80 per cent - said that the Government has not upheld the place of religion in public life and up to 63 per cent fear that the Church will be disestablished within a generation, breaking a bond that has existed between the Church and State since the Reformation.

    Calls for disestablishment have grown following research showing that attendance at Mass has overtaken the number of worshippers at Church of England Sunday services.

    Bishop Nazir-Ali, whose father converted from Islam to Catholicism, was criticised by Ibrahim Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain. He said: "It's irresponsible for a man of his position to make these comments.

    "He should accept that Britain is a multicultural society in which we are free to follow our religion at the same time as being extremely proud to be British. We wouldn't allow 'no-go' areas to happen. I smell extreme intolerance when people criticise multiculturalism without proper evidence of what has gone wrong."

    But the Bishop's concerns are shared by other members of the General Synod.

    The Rt Rev Nicholas Reade, the Bishop of Blackburn, which has a large Muslim community, said that it was increasingly difficult for Christians to share their faith in areas where there was a high proportion of immigrants of other faiths.

    He believes that increasing pressure will be put on the Government to begin the process of disestablishment and end the preferential status given to the Church of England. "The writing is on the wall," he said.

    Gordon Brown relinquished Downing Street's involvement in appointing bishops in one of his first facts as Prime Minister - a move viewed by some as a significant step towards disestablishment.

    Last night, Mr Davis said: "Bishop Nazir-Ali has drawn attention to a deeply serious problem. The Government's confused and counter-productive approach risks creating a number of closed societies instead of one open, cohesive one. It generates the risk of encouraging radicalisation and creating home-grown terrorism."



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Extremism flourished as UK lost Christianity - Telegraph

Extremism flourished as UK lost Christianity


By Michael Nazir-Ali, Bishop of Rochester
 
Last Updated: 7:53pm GMT 05/01/2008
 

 

In fewer than 50 years, Britain has changed from being a society with an acknowledged Christian basis to one which is increasingly described by politicians and the media as "multifaith".

  • One reason for this is the arrival of large numbers of people of other faiths to these shores. Their arrival has coincided with the end of the Empire which brought about a widespread questioning of Britain's role.

    On the one hand, the British were losing confidence in the Christian vision which underlay most of the achievements and values of the culture and, on the other, they sought to accommodate the newer arrivals on the basis of a novel philosophy of "multiculturalism".

    This required that people should be facilitated in living as separate communities, continuing to communicate in their own languages and having minimum need for building healthy relationships with the majority.

    Alongside these developments, there has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into "no-go" areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability.

    Those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work there because of hostility to them. In many ways, this is but the other side of the coin to far-Right intimidation. Attempts have been made to impose an "Islamic" character on certain areas, for example, by insisting on artificial amplification for the Adhan, the call to prayer.

    Such amplification was, of course, unknown throughout most of history and its use raises all sorts of questions about noise levels and whether non-Muslims wish to be told the creed of a particular faith five times a day on the loudspeaker.

    This is happening here even though some Muslim-majority communities are trying to reduce noise levels from multiple mosques announcing this call, one after the other, over quite a small geographical area.

    There is pressure already to relate aspects of the sharia to civil law in Britain. To some extent this is already true of arrangements for sharia-compliant banking but have the far-reaching implications of this been fully considered?

    It is now less possible for Christianity to be the public faith in Britain.

    The existence of chapels and chaplaincies in places such as hospitals, prisons and institutions of further and higher education is in jeopardy either because of financial cuts or because the authorities want "multifaith" provision, without regard to the distinctively Christian character of the nation's laws, values, customs and culture.

    Not only locally, but at the national level also the establishment of the Church of England is being eroded. My fear is, in the end, nothing will be left but the smile of the Cheshire Cat.

    In the past, I have supported the establishment of the Church, but now I have to ask if it is only the forms that are left and the substance rapidly disappearing. If such is the case, is it worth persevering with the trappings of establishment?

    Much of this has come about because of a "neutral" secularist approach which refuses to privilege any faith. In fact, secularism has its own agenda and it is certainly not neutral. It is perfectly possible for Britain to welcome people on the basis of its Christian heritage.

    Christian chaplains can arrange for people of other faiths to have access to their own spiritual leaders without compromising the Christian basis of their own ministry.

    Instead of this, the multifaith "mish mash" is producing a new, de facto, establishment as the Government attempts to bring particular communities on to its agenda for integration and cohesion, an agenda which still lacks the underpinning of a moral and spiritual vision.

    If it had not been for the black majority churches and the recent arrival of people from central and eastern Europe, the Christian cause in many of our cities would have looked a lost one.

    At last it seems the Government may be waking up to the situation; to the importance of English as a means of communication, to greater integration in housing, schools, and leisure pursuits and in citizenship education.

    But none of this will be of any avail if Britain does not recover that vision of its destiny which made it great. That has to do with the Bible's teaching that we have equal dignity and freedom because we are all made in God's image.

    It has to do with a prophetic passion for justice and compassion and it has to do with the teaching and example of Jesus Christ regarding humility, service and sacrifice. Let us pledge in this New Year to restore this noble vision to the centre of our national life.


1 posted on 01/05/2008 2:54:52 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Who want invest in area that mostly Radical Islam I don’t think any sane mind business person want too


2 posted on 01/05/2008 3:01:14 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: Stoat
The beginning of the end of Britain???
3 posted on 01/05/2008 3:01:39 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Stoat

Coming soon to big cities in the U.S.


4 posted on 01/05/2008 3:02:44 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Stoat
Islam is not a religion. It is a violent political ideology with it's own set of laws all must follow. It is tantamount to Nazism. This situation is not a case of a minority of Muslims often referred to as radical or extremists. It is precept of Islam to dominate all non Muslims as the following article confirms.

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
5 posted on 01/05/2008 3:03:14 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: Churchillspirit

Enlighten me again about my Cassandra like tendencies.


6 posted on 01/05/2008 3:03:29 PM PST by Regulator
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To: All
Angelinheaven

 

Please say a prayer for our dear British Friends

7 posted on 01/05/2008 3:05:47 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: 2banana

It is way beyond the beginning of the end in Britain. Only because major media don’t want to address the issue is the publication of the truth suppressed.


8 posted on 01/05/2008 3:06:33 PM PST by maica (Leftists have faith in government; conservatives believe in people as individuals. Romney '08)
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To: Stoat

It’s just like “home”. The capital they bow to 5 times a day EVERY day has a death penalty for non-muslims who dare enter.

It is an intolerant supremacist ideology every bit as brutal as Nazism.


9 posted on 01/05/2008 3:07:00 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: SevenofNine
Who want invest in area that mostly Radical Islam I don’t think any sane mind business person want too

Unless the business person is a burqua/hijab/chador merchant, knife-maker, explosives manufacturer, etc...

10 posted on 01/05/2008 3:07:07 PM PST by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Lancer_N3502A
Thank president boosh for inviting all across the border (Ramos & Compean).

The RINO's and PC crowd.

The lib's and their socialist/useful idiot roll.

The next war on American soil will be lead against islamofacism by patriots, and other great Americans that have LOTS of guns and ammunition....


Taht the libs so desperately don't want you to have...
11 posted on 01/05/2008 3:07:39 PM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

Islamic immigration to the West is an act of national suicide.


12 posted on 01/05/2008 3:08:19 PM PST by Dagnabitt ( McCain-Kennedy: Amnesty for Illegals, Contempt for Americans.)
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To: Man50D
Islam is not a religion.

Agreed. I'm wondering if the constitutional protections afforded religions here in the US could be challenged with respect to islam on the grounds that it is not, in fact, a religion in the accepted sense.

13 posted on 01/05/2008 3:08:28 PM PST by Salvey
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To: Stoat
bishops, senior clergy and influential churchgoers said that an increasingly multi-faith society threatens the country's Christian heritage and blamed the divisions on the Government's failure to integrate immigrants into their communities.

It's the fault of "the government" only to the extent that they do not enforce basic human rights (for example, against things like genital mutilation and forced marriages and forced polygamy) in "immigrant" cultures.

But basically, it's the fault of Muslims, who came to Britain on a more or less temporary basis and then, as Muslims have always done, proclaimed England to be a part of the Islamic empire. They need to be knocked back down and reminded that they are just guests or a small permanent group who have been accorded every courtesy and need to extend courtesy on their part, as well. But who's going to do it?

Not the government, I'm sure.

14 posted on 01/05/2008 3:09:55 PM PST by livius
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To: Salvey

There can be no separation of church and state with Islam as the Saudi State is funding the missionary expansion of Wahhabi Islamic teachings in America.

Church and State is more than just about our OWN state operating within OUR borders.


15 posted on 01/05/2008 3:10:58 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions; blam; All

OH BOY you got me there LOL!


16 posted on 01/05/2008 3:13:21 PM PST by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: livius

You crush the Islamic empire by crushing the capital. There is ZERO tolerance for any other faith under Islam. The concept of “muslim lands” is one of supremacist thought.

The muslims in those nations are just as discriminatory against the natives who convert away from Islam (in fact they face a death penalty that the lowly kufir don’t even face because we’ve never been muslims in the first place).

They can worship a moon god if they want just as a neo-nazi can worship hitler and an anarchist can worship Marx. They cannot impose their totalitarian system on the world.


17 posted on 01/05/2008 3:13:57 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: weegee
It’s just like “home”. The capital they bow to 5 times a day EVERY day has a death penalty for non-muslims who dare enter.

It is an intolerant supremacist ideology every bit as brutal as Nazism.

Agreed, and I would wish to add that Islam could easily be viewed as considerably "more" dangerous than Nazism; not only because of the number of adherents it claims but because of it's acceptance and embrace by nation-states.  Nazism was quickly realized by everyone except the Left and various political apologists as an evil that must be instantly stamped out.  Islam is far more deadly in that it's being embraced in an official capacity virtually everywhere, and so the cancer is allowed to spread unchecked.

18 posted on 01/05/2008 3:14:33 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Issaquahking

The war will be fought by the National Guard on US soil. But what will the Left do? Cry “police state” and urge for a withdrawl.


19 posted on 01/05/2008 3:15:13 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: Stoat

There are useful idiots who really believe that there is no harm and that the jihadists are not real muslims.

Then there are the multicultural moral relativists who see what the US and Israel is doing and what Christians have done in the past to be “no different” so they tolerate the Islamic terrorism (while condemning the US/Israel “abuses”). Orwell saw the same double standard ploy from the Stalinists in the West who’d condemn the US and UK but never the USSR.

Then there are the anarchists who want to tear down the current political system and need chaos to accomplish this goal. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Then there are the cowards who recognize the dangers of Islamonazism but would rather go through life bowing 5 times a day on a prayer rug than having their throats slit for denouncing Mohammed’s death cult. They also were the sort who couldn’t care less if they were living under “democracy” or Communism.


20 posted on 01/05/2008 3:20:03 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: weegee

We may very well see why the second amendment was wrote. We didn’t have a standing army when the country was forming up our government. So in order to protect the citizenery, the men would all have guns. Should there be a problem that threatened the community, all men were expected to rise up together, and solve the problem. That will be a situation when the islamofacists make there move here this century, if not, decade.


21 posted on 01/05/2008 3:20:45 PM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: SevenofNine

I thought that the yutes who torch cars and blow up buses don’t do these things in their own neighborhoods.


22 posted on 01/05/2008 3:21:45 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: Issaquahking

Law enforcement has seen to it that any non-gang gun activity is prosecuted as a crime and that even our military must now read each target his rights before pulling the trigger.


23 posted on 01/05/2008 3:23:12 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: Issaquahking
William Wallace: Ay, fight and you may die, run and you'll live. At least a while. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom.

How will you choose? BLOAT and be ready tomorrow.
24 posted on 01/05/2008 3:23:21 PM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Stoat
Multiculturalism - When you hate yourself enough to embrace the very worst...
25 posted on 01/05/2008 3:25:02 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

The guilt felt by wealthy liberals has done a lot to drag this nation down.


26 posted on 01/05/2008 3:26:17 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: Stoat

On Tues Dec 24th the UN passed this Pakistani resolution. Read it and weep! We in the West will fall all over ourselves to keep from “offending” them while they rape, loot and destroy our societies from within.

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/N07/579/32/PDF/N0757932.pdf?OpenElement


27 posted on 01/05/2008 3:27:02 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: weegee
Unfortunately, it’s not just the libtards, the sense of success guilt is creeping into many other groups.
28 posted on 01/05/2008 3:34:42 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Stoat
It is amazing that the English did not want Catholicism yet they let these slimy muzzies take over England. Oh, I forgot, no one is allowed to call it England anymore because it is not PC. England, England, England.
29 posted on 01/05/2008 3:38:23 PM PST by GinaLolaB (=^..^=)
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To: SevenofNine
Who want invest in area that mostly Radical Islam I don’t think any sane mind business person want too

I would want to invest in gun shops in surrounding areas so that the non-muzzie people could defend themselves properly, but sadly that's not possible in Great Britain.

30 posted on 01/05/2008 4:08:58 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

There is no use saying prayers for anyone who does not want to help himself. It is like saying prayers for a foolish skydiver who jumps from an airplane without a parachute hoping that he will land safely. We cannot expect a miracle every time we say a prayer.


31 posted on 01/05/2008 4:13:11 PM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Trophy Woman)
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To: GinaLolaB

Guilt by omission is the death of Christendom.
Multiculturism created Balkanization, neighborhoods today is nothing more than a large motel; people don’t even speak to each other any longer. The melting pot is a large joke.
It has destroyed neighborhoods in the USA that was at one time the best the country had to offer but, today you can drive through at your own risk.


32 posted on 01/05/2008 4:13:43 PM PST by Mojohemi
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To: Lancer_N3502A
Coming soon to big cities in the U.S.

For decades we have had minority areas in the big cities where white people take their lives in their hands if they dare to enter, but I'm not aware of such areas based entirely upon a religion.  I suppose that Dearborn, Michigan would be a city worth watching in this context, but we generally have not had the problem with militant enclaves of Islamofascism....yet.

33 posted on 01/05/2008 4:15:06 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Lancer_N3502A
Coming soon to big cities in the U.S.

Already in big cities in the U.S., not muslim but gangs.

34 posted on 01/05/2008 4:18:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Stoat

It’s no use condescendingly belittling what is happening in Britain when the same is slowly taking place right here in the US. We have the opportunity to learn from the Europeans but instead we are keeping a blind eye for the insidiously creeping menace of Islam. I have yet to hear any American politician warn of the increasing threat to our independence and freedom because of Islam.

Visit any international airport in the afternoon and watch the droves of incoming Muslims invading our country. Come to think of it; we are even more stupid than the Europeans by not learning from their mistakes.


35 posted on 01/05/2008 4:32:38 PM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Trophy Woman)
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To: 353FMG
Come to think of it; we are even more stupid than the Europeans by not learning from their mistakes.

This is a long-heralded American tradition, at least among the elites and of course the Left.

We are constantly being lectured on how much more 'enlightened' Europeans are, but even a passing glance in the direction of truth and historical accuracy shatters this lie. Any yardstick one chooses shows America far ahead, and this absolutely infuriates the Left.

The old saying "Socialism arrives by bicycle" can be amended to "....by bicycle and camel."

36 posted on 01/05/2008 4:40:44 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Huber

Ping


37 posted on 01/05/2008 4:44:38 PM PST by freema
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To: Salvey
I'm wondering if the constitutional protections afforded religions here in the US could be challenged with respect to islam on the grounds that it is not, in fact, a religion in the accepted sense.

I've wondered that myself. You better believe that if The Klan started their own "religion", it wouldn't be afforded Constitutional protection.

Islam is a murderous death cult, but our elites hate Christianity so much that they will never shut Islam down.

38 posted on 01/05/2008 4:44:54 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: 353FMG

There are “infidel no-go sites” in Gaza and the West Bank. Doesn’t slow down the IDF air force one little bit. They pick off these murdering islamomuzzie bastards in their cars, one by one. The Palis are forced to use entire coffins to bury one shred of muzzie flesh.

Too bad the bloody RAF can’t do likewise! And this Yank will bet there’s plenty of angry Brits out there who think the same.


39 posted on 01/05/2008 4:51:18 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Stoat
“believe that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration.”

Really!!, what a novel statement, what great insight...this statement is truly revolutionary...rather late me thinks, the damage is done....

40 posted on 01/05/2008 4:51:20 PM PST by thinking
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To: Stoat

Anthropologists 500-1,000 years from now will be hard pressed to explain how and why Western civilization committed suicide. It’s already too late to recover...we’re done!


41 posted on 01/05/2008 4:58:35 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Stoat
I frequently write editorials to my local newspaper. I wrote one recently about the violent nation of those who follow Islam by citing multiple examples. I rarely get calls back before they publish since I am a regular contributor.

I got a call back on this article. The lady wanted me to cite news sources so she could be sure that the claims I was making were facts. I spent over an hour last night searching for multiple sources for each example.

It's my personal opinion that they don't want to publish it because they are afraid it will stir up any Muzzies we have locally. I think she was just hoping I would quietly go away. No such chance. I plan to write at least one a year on Muslim violence, lest anyone forget what a subhuman group of murderers these pieces of trash are.

42 posted on 01/05/2008 4:59:53 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: thinking
rather late me thinks

Obvious conclusions that the thoughtful public has long accepted are traditionally late in coming from "Official" channels such as a Bishop of the Church of England, but they are helpful nonetheless in that they have the effect of bringing essential, if long overdue, topics to the table.  In this instance it's quite telling to see the Islamofascist Response to the Bishop's rather hesitant, weak and tentative yet glaringly obvious conclusions:

 

Bishop Nazir-Ali, whose father converted from Islam to Catholicism, was criticised by Ibrahim Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain. He said: "It's irresponsible for a man of his position to make these comments.

"He should accept that Britain is a multicultural society in which we are free to follow our religion at the same time as being extremely proud to be British. We wouldn't allow 'no-go' areas to happen. I smell extreme intolerance when people criticise multiculturalism without proper evidence of what has gone wrong."

So, according to Ibrahim Mogra, the Bishop of Rochester is lying ("We wouldn't allow 'no-go' areas to happen.") and such statements shouldn't even be uttered ("It's irresponsible for a man of his position to make these comments. ")

As usual, anyone who dares say anything negative about Islam or muzzies is a liar and Islam is, apparently, perfect and not in any need of greater scrutiny, self-regulation or adjustment.

Exchanges such as this on the "Official" level are helpful in that they remind those of us who are not political and culture-war junkies that intolerant Islam is very much a fact and remains a dire threat, despite the slavish pronouncements of it's apologists.

43 posted on 01/05/2008 5:05:27 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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Pray for a return to faith in Christ in the UK as for the Gospel to go out to non-Christians.


44 posted on 01/05/2008 5:06:03 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Issaquahking

That is what will make all the difference between America and the UK, there are many Americans who have guns and the Muslims that are here for this reason mind their P’s and Q’s.


45 posted on 01/05/2008 5:09:12 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: weegee
They cannot impose their totalitarian system on the world.

They can die trying , and take us along with them. - tom

46 posted on 01/05/2008 5:13:01 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

IMO the British model is the one being pursued by Islam in every free (Western) country. Look at Europe, i.e. Germany, France, Holland etc. - same pattern. There was a map published on FR last year that showed Muslim groups have already been established in every city of consequence in the US already. Are they of the radical philosophy or not - I don’t have a clue. But they are there and probably growing.


47 posted on 01/05/2008 5:13:56 PM PST by elpadre
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48 posted on 01/05/2008 5:16:35 PM PST by Gritty (7% of British Muslims consider their primary identity as British, 81% consider it to be Muslim-Poll)
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To: SALChamps03
It's my personal opinion that they don't want to publish it because they are afraid it will stir up any Muzzies we have locally. I think she was just hoping I would quietly go away.

If that is the case tell them to fess up to it like the (Boston) Phoenix did when they wouldn't publish the Danish Muhammed cartoons because of a fear of reprisal from the Muslims...

The Phoenix- World of pain
The space between free speech and respect in the ultimate culture war February 10, 2006 3:01:12 PM

snip- Out of fear of retaliation from the international brotherhood of radical and bloodthirsty Islamists who seek to impose their will on those who do not believe as they do. This is, frankly, our primary reason for not publishing any of the images in question. Simply stated, we are being terrorized, and as deeply as we believe in the principles of free speech and a free press, we could not in good conscience place the men and women who work at the Phoenix and its related companies in physical jeopardy. As we feel forced, literally, to bend to maniacal pressure, this may be the darkest moment in our 40-year publishing history.

49 posted on 01/05/2008 5:28:24 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: blam
Anthropologists 500-1,000 years from now will be hard pressed to explain how and why Western civilization committed suicide.

Actually, as long as references to Socialism, Marxism and Communism survive the next thousand years (and hopefully ONLY as "references") I believe that it will be glaringly obvious to anthropologists, in that the dots will be terribly easy to connect.

Socialism is a natural ally of Islamofascism as well as political correctness and a host of other social and societal cancers.  Hardcore, unrepentant Capitalism is one excellent part of the cure, as Islamofascism is not only an unsalable commodity but has no investment potential.  It only serves to suck all positive energies, including economic ones, out of the atmosphere.

50 posted on 01/05/2008 5:42:11 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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