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Flip Flop Romney: To Trust Or Not To Trust...(Part 2)
Blogcritics.org ^ | 5 Jan 08 | Charlie Doherty

Posted on 01/06/2008 6:36:02 AM PST by big'ol_freeper

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Flip Flop Romney: To Trust Or Not To Trust Him, That Is The Question...(Part 1)
1 posted on 01/06/2008 6:36:04 AM PST by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper

Issues during the election depending on who the GOP nominates:
Huckabee - Abortion only
McCain - National defense only
Romney - National defense, immigration, and taxes
Thompson - National defense, immigration, and taxes.

What do you want to argue with the Democrats over?


2 posted on 01/06/2008 6:42:04 AM PST by rhombus
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To: big'ol_freeper; colorcountry; MHGinTN; JRochelle; Petronski; perfect_rovian_storm; Clara Lou

ping


3 posted on 01/06/2008 6:44:49 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Mitt willingly gives up his personal freedoms to his church..why would he protect YOURS!)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Mitt won’t win New Hampshire, nor Massachusetts.
Politically, there is no there there. Mitt’s a Rorschach, a Zelig, a feedback machine. He hears and repeats the same back to you. When, and if, he gets to Washington, he’ll reverberate with the prevailing sentiments.

That’s Mitt’s idea of leadership.
This is why he needed a hand holding committee, which he built, to pick county judges to nominate. He didn’t know what he wanted in a judge.( One of the reasons would of been to acquire payback chips or as arm twisting in other Massachusetts venues, but since Mitt didn’t care, had gotten his ticket punched and wasn’t sticking around anyways, why the trouble? )

In a way, though you can trust Mitt. Just like in the old fable where the frog trusted the scorpion when he gave him ride over the river.

Got battered RINO voter syndrome? Can't escape? Vote Mitt, he won't disappoint.

4 posted on 01/06/2008 6:54:20 AM PST by Leisler
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To: big'ol_freeper
In all, if you're a Republican voter looking for someone who is an authentic leader who is strong on national security and can appeal to the religious right without sounding like a zealot (like Huckabee) and win the general election against the Democratic nominee, John McCain , not Mitt Romney, is your man.

BUSTED

5 posted on 01/06/2008 6:56:22 AM PST by period end of story (You need cooling, baby I'm not fooling)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Sixty seven percent of caucus goers in Wyoming, the second reddest state in the country, seem to have concluded he can be trusted. Twenty-five percent of Iowa caucus goers agree plus Robert Bork, the National Review, William F. Buckley, James Bopp, Fay Buchanan, the head of the American Conservative Union, most of Conservative talk radio and so on and so on. And yet, somehow, according to many here on FR, all of these people are sell outs, senile, demented or idiots.


6 posted on 01/06/2008 7:00:23 AM PST by Reaganesque (Charter Member of the Romney FR Resistance)
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To: period end of story

Is this the “leader” the Republican voter is looking for?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rMM8-ycSkJM


7 posted on 01/06/2008 7:00:34 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: big'ol_freeper

Shouldn’t this have been posted on DU ?


8 posted on 01/06/2008 7:02:43 AM PST by blueheron2 (Hoist the colors!)
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To: Rational Thought

They’re not looking for a leader on UToob.


9 posted on 01/06/2008 7:03:57 AM PST by period end of story (You need cooling, baby I'm not fooling)
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To: big'ol_freeper

More anti-Mitt garbage.

So - if Mitt gets the nod, which Dem will you be voting for?


10 posted on 01/06/2008 7:05:40 AM PST by Scarchin
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To: blueheron2
Shouldn’t this have been posted on DU ?

Or on JohnMcCain.com, or some such.

11 posted on 01/06/2008 7:05:50 AM PST by period end of story (You need cooling, baby I'm not fooling)
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To: Reaganesque

I replied with this link earlier....the “Trusted” candidate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI


12 posted on 01/06/2008 7:05:58 AM PST by Rational Thought
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To: big'ol_freeper
Liberal Romneys Own Words On Abortion 2002
13 posted on 01/06/2008 7:28:18 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: period end of story
When I saw the title of this article, I thought yes...I agree, but what about this resurgence of John McCain? I’m sorry...I think of him as a RINO. I think he’s been very fickle in his voting...you never know where he’s coming from, EXCEPT with the Iraq war, and I give him all kinds of kudos for standing up for the war, and holding firm in his belief that it was the right thing to do...also he deserves gratitude and thanks from every American for his military service and ordeal at the hands of the Vietcong. I know he has mine.

That being said however, this is the same man that helped forge that nightmare Feingold/McCain bill, and tho my old mind won’t bring together the times he voted with the libs, I do remember they are numerous. And if you think he’s going to be tough and persistent in dealing with the illegal mess we have on our hands...well, I think you’ll be disappointed...his answer to that last eve. in the ABC debate was “all around the bush” and what was left was still amnesty for millions of illegals...He doesn’t want to call it that, but “put lipstick on a pig and it’s still pig”.

By the way, I am no Romney supporter...but while the MSM is busy touting John McCain, and holding Romney's feet to the fire, as Chris Wallace is doing at this moment, asking very hostile questions about how much Romney's willing to spend on his campaign, how much he’s disliked and not trusted by Ed Rollins and others,...a real hatchet job that is hard to imagine would EVER be done to McCain, well, I feel led to at least point out a few of the flaws the press and others could go after him on, if they had any desire to do so...

14 posted on 01/06/2008 7:30:06 AM PST by Molly T.
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To: big'ol_freeper

The funny thing is this false argument seems to be the ONLY one his opponents have on him. WHY? Because Mitt’s actual record in Massachusetts is a conservative one and he is right on all the issues. They have to rely on juvenile one-liners about statements he made ages ago rather than evaluating his actual record. I think smart and savvy voters can see through that.


15 posted on 01/06/2008 7:37:33 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (www.MittReport.com)
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To: rhombus
Issues during the election depending on who the GOP nominates:
Huckabee - Abortion only
McCain - National defense only
Romney - National defense, immigration, and taxes
Thompson - National defense, immigration, and taxes.

What do you want to argue with the Democrats over?

_______________

I would add two more factors we gain with Romney and not the others:

1)Actual real world experience
2)Beltway Outsider

16 posted on 01/06/2008 7:43:37 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (www.MittReport.com)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Talk about hypocrisy.

Huck has flipped on everything except abortion and gays while disavowing his entire liberal record in Arkansas while trying to pretend to be conservative.

McCain's flip flop list is longer than anyone else's:

McCain flipped on the Bush tax cuts.
Most conservatives believe the biggest domestic success of George Bush's first term were his tax cuts. John McCain voted against them, more than once, before finally flip-flopping and voting for them this year.

McCain flipped on gay marriage.
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

McCain flipped on ethanol.
McCain was anti-ethanol when he was skipping Iowa in 1999. In 2006 he was pro-ethanol while campaigning in Iowa . Now he's pretty anti-ethanol again that he's decided to bypass Iowa. (THIS ONE IS A TRUE FLIP FLOP . . . Been on both sides of the issue multiple times)

McCain flipped on Roe.
In NH in 1999 McCain told reporters that "in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade." He explained that overturning Roe would force "women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." In 2006, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. You're for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn't advanced in the six years he's been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn't done?

MCCAIN: I don't think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it's very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade...."

McCain flipped on climate change:
Kyoto By Any Other Name Would Still Smell As Rotten: John McCain proposed a radical bill, the McCain-Lieberman Stewardship Act, that is not all that different from the Kyoto Protocol. McCain's bill would do cataclysmic damage to our economy. In the name of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by an insignificant percentage, that not even the biggest proponents of Kyoto believe would have a significant impact on the weather, here's the damage John McCain would be willing to do to our economy (from an article by Marlo Lewis in National Review).


McCain flipped on stem cells.
Initially supporting the President's restriction as to federal funding, McCain then asked for an expansion to include wider research saying, "I believe that we need to fund this. This is a tough issue for those of us in the pro-life community. I would remind you that these stem cells are either going to be discarded or perpetually frozen. We need to do what we can to relieve human suffering. It's a tough issue. I support federal funding." Source: 2007 GOP primary debate, at Reagan library, hosted by MSNBC May 3, 2007

McCain signed a letter from 58 Senators to the President
" Dear Mr. President:

We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research.

McCain flipped on faith
The Associated Press broke a story about McCain’s statement in Sept 2007 saying that he is in fact a Baptist, despite his past comments that he is an Episcopalian. The news hook is that McCain made these comments while he was in South Carolina, which happens to have a lot of Baptist voters. In a June 2007 interview with McClatchy Newspapers, the senator said his wife and two of their children have been baptized in North Phoenix Baptist Church, but he had not. “I didn’t find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs,” he said. He told McClatchy he found the Baptist church more fulfilling than the Episcopalian church, but still referred to himself as an Episcopalian. Uh huh.

McCain flipped on guns
Senator McCain supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 100 percent in 2006.
Senator McCain supported the interests of the Gun Owners of America 0 percent in 2005.(MY THAT WAS A BIG CHANGE)
Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all Congressional candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association assigned Senator McCain a grade of C+ (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

McCain flipped on the virtues of Evangelical Leadership
McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as "agents of intolerance" in 2002, but has since "reconciled" and has cozied up quite a bit.

McCain flipped on the Law of Sea Convention
Long-time vocal supporter of the Law, now (just this last month) he's against it.

Also, McCain is wrong on immigration, wrong on giving social security benefits to illegal aliens, wrong on Gitmo and wrong on waterboarding.

More here on the Conservative Case Against John McCain, including an interesting discussion about his age (old).


17 posted on 01/06/2008 7:49:13 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate (MY)
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To: period end of story

YEP — BUSTED — BIG TIME!


18 posted on 01/06/2008 7:51:36 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: big'ol_freeper

I think another question is why Mitt polls so badly in his own state. Is it not strange that other GOP candidates poll better against Hillary and Obama than he does?

Look at these numbers:

Hillary 60
Romney 34

Hillary 53
McCain 43

Obama 55
Romney 36

Obama 47
McCain 45


19 posted on 01/06/2008 8:09:35 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Bless your heart...I love that you pointed out numerous “flip flops” by McCain...I know there have been many, however, in my post #14, I admitted my mind wouldn't’ bring many specifics.

I just can’t imagine what any Conservative is thinking if they are backing this man...he is no Conservative, except when it’s to his advantage to be one....exception being his stand on the war, I’ll give him that, but that’s it. After a lot of his votes on bills I’ve wondered out loud to the TV, why the heck are you listed Republican..(of course, unfortunately that can be asked of more than a few in Congress these days)..

Thanks again for your really informative post. I hope to heck anyone who is supporting McCain reads it,and gets their brain in gear.

20 posted on 01/06/2008 8:19:23 AM PST by Molly T.
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