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Why Obstetrician-Gynecologist Ron Paul Should Not Be President Of The United States (Vanity)
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 01/06/2008 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 01/06/2008 6:42:04 AM PST by joeclarke

I know many Paul Bearers, and they are Christian - as most everyone, except Democrats, are now confessing to be. To say they are overly enamored with Ron Paul is an understatement as they think he is just an apocalypse shy of being the Second Coming. Ron Paul is the only "Constitutional" candidate, they claim, and he wants to High Tail It out of Iraq, eliminate the IRS, withdraw from the world, and kill welfare payments including Social Security and Medicaid. Who could ask for anything more?

Ron Paul does have more reasonable ideas such as "really doing something" about the Mexican border and illegal aliens, the NAFTA Highway, abortion, and other points I cannot think of right now. However, his lack of military and geopolitical depth as well as his "no-tax" plans have attracted such peaceniks as Potheads For Paul, Strippers For Paul, the Google people, Johnny Rotten, and other constituents not traditionally known for having a Christian ethic. Why does Mr. Paul attract stripping, pot-smoking folks who might enjoy the Sex Pistols music - as well as church hymns?

Mr. Paul does have that pariah messianic presence which Ross Perot exuded - before his crackpottedness surfaced even as he took 20% of Republican votes away from the general election, thus allowing Bill Clinton to be ushered into the Oral Office for just enough time to subvert all that was called holy in America.

Ron Paul's trouble with the military probably stems from his professional involvement with women. As a man who has delivered thousands of babies, and participating in the miracle of child birthing, he must be naturally resistant to sending this same infant to battle and possibly death. I mean that as a compliment. I have observed former military doctors, corpsman and medics who have this similar disposition. They are so up close and personal to the ravages of war that they are predisposed to be vigorously opposed to military conflict, no matter how necessary. Incdentally, Ron Paul, for all of his compassion, refused to medically treat patients who were on Medicaid and Medicare. I have seen no conclusive evidence that he would help such people for free so that he would not have to charge "the government dime." Medicaid and Medicare just would not pay him enough.

Ron Pallbearers also tout him as the only candidate that is "Constitutional." Some of their reasoning is sound, but one of Paul's more frequent mistakes is calling the Iraq War invalid because the U.S. did not declare war according to the Constitution which demands that Congress shall declare war. Well, Congress has voted on two resolutions to combat Saddam and eradicate Iraq of most of the extreme terrorists. The Constitution does not declare in what exact format Congress shall declare war, so two resolutions to go to war should be enough to satisfy the Constitution. The U.S. had planned to oust Saddam even during Clinton's reign for many more reasons than just WMD. Pauliacs and Democrats constantly ignore these historical facts. Ron Paul has no problem with leaving Iraq high and dry, as well as so many other struggling and fragile democracies around the world.

Under President Paul, Israel would be more at the mercy of their surrounding Islamic enemies without the assistance of the United States. Ron Paul states that the U.S. is "interfering with Israel's sovereignty" by HELPING her!! So, lets not aid Israel so she can retain her sovereignty and then be quickly driven into the Mediterranean by Islamo Fascists. Mr. Paul must also believe that we interfered with Vietnam's sovereignty by fighting the Communists who now have such oppresive control in Nam. He must also object to the post WW II treaties, such as SEATO, in which the United States and other freedom loving countries decided to protect, as much as possible, far flung countries from Communist takeovers. It worked fairly well in Korea and elsewhere until communism took over the Democrat Party left and its media. Ron Paul does not understand that if the United States does not win friends and influence people with money (as with Arab countries and Israel) and with and occasional rattling of the sword (as in Iran and Korea), there will be less incentive for these countries to heed America's nonimperialistic desires. If you are of the hate-America-first crowd, then nothing the United States does can gain the respect of international countries. In fact foreign countries, such as Venezuela, have developed a hatred with the help of the American media. We are so hated according to Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, CNN, Hollywood, academia, the New York Times and others. No wonder we are despised, as the lib press damns everything President Bush does.

Ron Paul recently questioned the attendants at one of his Meetups and mockingly asked them if anyone really believed in the Domino Theory which was one of the motivations for fighting communists in Vietnam. The answer was "no" despite the fact that Laos and Cambodia were also claimed by fascists after the U.S. left Vietnam hanging in the lurch. Worse of all, the U.S. itself became another Communist domino since the 1970's takeover by the libs who are so much closer to totally communizing the United States during this presidential election of 2008 than ever before.

Some of RP's scarier statements include: "It would only take a few nuclear submarines to protect the U.S." When responding to Huckabee's Christmas commercial which displayed a floating cross, Ron Paul said, "Fascism has often come draped in a cross." [When did that last happen, Ron?] Ron Paul was also asked which Democrat most resembled his own platform [not just the Iraq war issue] "Dennis Kucinich," was his answer. Nothing more can be said about Ron Paul's candidacy. He's outta here.


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To: B4Ranch
That may be true, but the president could set the agenda if he were strong enough to. Amazingly with both the House and Senate controlled by Dems, Reagan was able to get many of his policies made law. Its leadership.

I dont know if this fits Dr. Paul or not, but I’d like to see whoever gets elected having as a major priority downsizing the federal govt. I dont mean just the money, I mean the intrusion into every aspect of your life.

BTW, Semper Fi!

51 posted on 01/06/2008 8:28:47 AM PST by Michael Knight (Young loner in a dangerous world of liberals who operate above the law.)
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To: kjo
I am down to taking a hard look at Ron Paul; might end up voting for him in my state’s primary. At least he’s consistent. Don’t really care for any of these folks. Except for Paul they are nothing but professional politicians who change their positions whenever it suits them. At least Paul is consistent.

So are these two.

Being "consistent" is not a good reason to vote for somebody without taking into account what they are being "consistent" about.

Do you really want somebody this consistently clueless about the dangers facing U.S. vital interests to be President of the United States of America?

RON PAUL to DFU on Iowa radio - he would not stop ship with nuclear missiles from N. Korea to Iran

52 posted on 01/06/2008 8:33:40 AM PST by Polybius
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To: DugwayDuke
That may be, but the principals dont change is my point.

One of the reasons Dr. Paul is so popular in TX is he wants to actually do something about the border, which would obviously help with some of what you are describing. He also doesnt seem to unwilling to use a nuke, which I think should not be off the table when dealing with foreign policy. We have an awesome deterrent force out there and with the ballistic missile system coming on line we just took the game to a whole new level. (which is why Pootin is showing his hiney.)

Our country needs to become more self sufficient and that goes for fuel and our goods. If we suddenly had a war with china, you would have like 2 things left on the shelf at wal marts. Where would we buy diapers and cloths for our little rug rats then?

Look, I’m not a huge Ron Paul fan, but I have studied his website and am impressed with a lot of what he has to say.

My picks in order are Hunter, Thompson, Paul, no one after that. I originally thought Paul was a nut because everyone said he was, but a friend at work was all into him so I checked out what he had to say. I really only disagree with him on Iraq, but he does have a fairly thoughtful reason for his opinion on that as well, I just disagree with it.

53 posted on 01/06/2008 8:38:23 AM PST by Michael Knight (Young loner in a dangerous world of liberals who operate above the law.)
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To: wtc911
Has Dr. Paul (OB-GYN) ever performed an abortion?

Maybe if you watched one of the last couple debates or his discussion with Russert, you would have actually heard him say that he has never performed an abortion, and was only in the room for one. He said he was disgusted when he learned what was happening and vowed to never do one.

54 posted on 01/06/2008 8:40:32 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Support Hillary in the primary. Hannity has a warehouse full of crap to sell you before she loses!)
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To: DugwayDuke
I suggest that you read this article

Ron Paul shocker: No more 'anchor babies', GOP gadfly's 'anti-immigrant' ad irks supporters<

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Ron Paul

A controversial new anti-illegal-immigration ad by GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul has sent his libertarian supporters into high dudgeon, but it's getting rave reviews from border-security hawks, including some Homeland Security officials.

In a surprise move, the strict constitutionalist has taken aim at the 14th Amendment as part of a proposal to control growing illegal immigration. U.S. Rep. Paul, R-Texas, proposes repealing the provision that gives automatic citizenship to children born in the U.S., even if their parents enter the country illegally.

"Ron Paul wants border security now," his new campaign ad asserts. "Physically secure the border. No amnesty. No welfare to illegal aliens. End birthright citizenship. No more student visas from terrorist nations."

55 posted on 01/06/2008 8:41:31 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: DugwayDuke
Ron would leave prosecution of abortion to the states

And you want this to become a federal matter unlike almost other "common law" crimes because?

56 posted on 01/06/2008 8:45:24 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
What I am beginning to believe is that Ron Paul is a threat to these folks not because he is likely to become President, but because he threatens their smug self-complacency about their own political beliefs. Republibanism is not a political belief. It is a party, and when Pubbies go on a 6 year spree to convert democratic pork into republican pork they finally got smacked down for it.

Ron Paul has been in Congress for over ten years and, when it come to pork, he is definitely not "Kosher".

Ron Paul's personal pork projects: .... According to the Houston Chronicle, Paul: ...leads the Houston-area delegation in the number of earmarks, or special funding requests, that he is seeking for his district. He is trying to nab public money for 65 projects, such as marketing wild shrimp and renovating the old movie theater in Edna that closed in 1977 — neither of which is envisioned in the Constitution as an essential government function. ..... Paul also argued that these special earmarks, used by Congressman to increase their own popularity at home, don’t add anything to the budget. The funding is already in the budget he says and the budget is not increased to compensate for them. But spending $400 million on pork, as Paul requested, still means the $400 million is spent. And, under the current budget, if it is spent, it contributes to the deficit that will, no doubt, mean higher future taxes.

57 posted on 01/06/2008 8:47:22 AM PST by Polybius
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To: DugwayDuke
Ron would leave prosecution of abortion to the states meaning that what is treated as murder in one state might not be treated as murder in another.

You mean the way it was until Roe Vs Wade? Is murder handled at the federal level? If not, then why would abortion? Paul at least would have a litmus test for repealing Roe vs Wade which is FAR more conservative than any of the other Republican candidates save Hunter.

58 posted on 01/06/2008 8:48:07 AM PST by rb22982
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To: Polybius

That’s a sad argument these days.


59 posted on 01/06/2008 8:48:47 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: B4Ranch

My objections to Ron Paul are on his stance on terrorism.


60 posted on 01/06/2008 8:56:30 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: AndyJackson

My issue is the inconsistency.

If you want to pass a federal law declaring the unborn to have the rights of citizens, then the federal government has an obligation to defend those rights.

If Ron wants to leave abortion up to the states, then let each state decide if the unborn are citizens and have rights that should be protected.


61 posted on 01/06/2008 9:00:14 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: rb22982

See post #61.


62 posted on 01/06/2008 9:01:44 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: DugwayDuke

That’s one of the reasons I like the guy. I am against us having military bases in 130 countries when they are not needed. If we want to provide foreign aid, let’s do so and call it foreign aid. I am fed up with politicians BS’ing us every step of the way.


63 posted on 01/06/2008 9:04:30 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: joeclarke

May as well write an article about why Dennis Kucinich should not be the President.

Neither has a snowball’s chance in hell of ever happening.


64 posted on 01/06/2008 9:06:21 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: kjo

“At least Paul is consistent.”

But he isn’t. Just look at illegal immigration. He’s for it, then he’s against it...

Paul’s Immigration Voting Record & Report Card on the NumbersUSA website:

(1) Paul consistently voted every year since 1999 against putting the military on the border:

2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815 2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200 2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588 2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546 2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586 2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205 1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.

(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.

(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),

(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - “Enforcement Only” Bill).

(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 1998). In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.
TAKE NOTE:

(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.

Everyone needs a reminder of some of Pauls BAD immigration votes.

Especially Item #2. This was an amnesty and allowed for chain migration, more visas, blah,blah, and one reason it has gotten as bad as it has. It was pushed by the White House.

H.R.3525 Title: To enhance the border security of the United States, and for other purposes. (introduced 12/19/2001) Related Bills: H.RES.365, H.R.1885, H.R.3205, S.CON.RES.106, S.1618, S.1749 Latest Major Action: Became Public Law No: 107-173 [GPO: Text, PDF] Note: On 3/12/2002, H.Res. 365 was agreed to by the House. H.Res. 365 incorporated the text of H.R. 3525, the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act, in H.R. 1885, previously the Section 245(i) Extension Act dealing with certain immigration petition filing deadlines. Subsequent action on border security returned to H.R. 3525.

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HR03525:

The White House [snip]

H.R. 1885 - Section 245(i) Extension Act The Administration strongly supports House passage of H.R.1885 as expected to be considered on the House floor. H.R. 1885 would extend the window created under section 245(i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act during which qualified immigrants may obtain legal residence in the United States without being forced to first leave the country and their families for as long as several years. This legislation reflects the Administration’s philosophy that government policies should recognize the importance of families and help to strengthen them.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/legislative/sap/107-2/HR1885-h.html

also:

Rep. Paul is a cosponsor of H.R. 793, the Save Our Small and Seasonal Business Act of 2005, to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to limit the timing of issuance of H-2B visas during a fiscal year. Specifically, H.R. 793 would split the H-2B visa cap so no more than 33,000 visas are made available for the first six months the fiscal year, and another 33,000 visas would be available in the second half of the year. However, H.R. 793 exempts from the annual cap aliens granted an H-2B visa within three years prior to approval of an H-2B petition, thus potentially TRIPLING the number of H-2B workers in the United States at any one time. Although timing the issuance of H-2B visas is a common-sense approach that would help prevent the situation that occurred in FY 2004 and FY 2005 when the 66,000 annual cap on H-2B (low-skill) nonimmigrant visas was hit within the first quarter of the year, H.R. 793 would ultimately harm American workers by creating exemptions which potentially could triple the number of H-2B workers in the U.S. at any given time. Nearly doubled H-1B foreign high-tech workers in 1998

and

Voted on House floor against Hunter amendment to increase security with border fence in 2005 Rep. Paul voted against the Hunter Amendment to H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005. The Hunter Amendment would shore up security by building fences and other physical infrastructure to keep out illegal aliens. Specifically, it mandates the construction of specific security fencing, including lights and cameras, along the Southwest border for the purposes of gaining operational control of the border. As well, it includes a requirement for the Secretary of Homeland Security to conduct a study on the use of physical barriers along the Northern border. The Hunter Amendment passed by a vote of 260-159.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2007/12/ron-paul-gets-special-endorsements.html


65 posted on 01/06/2008 9:08:42 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: DugwayDuke

Citizens have the rights of citizens, yet the Federal government does not defend murder cases. I don’t see the inconsistency.


66 posted on 01/06/2008 9:10:18 AM PST by rb22982
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To: B4Ranch
Excellent point. I am starting grad school next week at night and in a room of over 50 engineers starting this semester, 4 were American. 4!

This is in a public university supported by our tax dollars. The rest appeared to be mainly middle eastern or Indian. Lots of Mohammad's. All in Electrical Engineering. What are they trying to build over there?

Also, these guys are all full time students. Obviously getting money from somewhere. I’m working a full time job and using my money from being a weekend warrior to pay my tuition and books. So I have two jobs to their one. Plus starting up a farm and taking care of 3 kids with my wife. I’m not complaining mind you, but it seems a little weird to me that there were not any other Americans in there.

Also, I have a problem with these folks from overseas getting into medical school ahead of Americans. My sister didnt get in because they told her she was too young because she got her 4 year degree in 3 years. She had excellent grades while competing on the cross country team running 16 + miles a day. We shouldnt put foreigners until all qualified Americans have gone in. We paid the taxes to support this crap, not them.

67 posted on 01/06/2008 9:21:25 AM PST by Michael Knight (Young loner in a dangerous world of liberals who operate above the law.)
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To: B4Ranch

I enjoyed your quote page.


68 posted on 01/06/2008 9:21:59 AM PST by Michael Knight (Young loner in a dangerous world of liberals who operate above the law.)
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To: rb22982

“Funny you say that because Bush and most other Republicans running for the nomination in 2000 said the same thing about Clinton and the Democrats at the time.”

You refering to the Democrats penchant for using the U.S. military to cover up sex scandals?


69 posted on 01/06/2008 9:30:38 AM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: AndyJackson
Want to know why UK just surpassed us in GDP?

It has? I would have expected something like that would have generated a lot of MSM coverage. Do you have a link?

70 posted on 01/06/2008 9:34:00 AM PST by Bob
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To: kjo

You want consistency? Duncan Hunter has a lifetime of consistency. You need look no further. http://www.gohunter08.com/


71 posted on 01/06/2008 9:34:52 AM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: joeclarke
As a woman, the thought makes me feel extremely creepy!
72 posted on 01/06/2008 9:35:46 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: B4Ranch
I was taught to examine my own actions before casting blame on others.

I am not the one blaming America for 9/11, that is cut and run.

People such as yourself don’t do that so you can live in denial of the fact that you could be doing more wrong than the next person.

How am I in denial, and how am I doing more wrong than the next person?

A few years ago I wrote a saying for *denial* folks, such as yourself. If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell ‘em the truth.

What does that have to do with cut and run consistently being a blame America first anti-American?
73 posted on 01/06/2008 9:43:52 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

>>>I want someone to compile a list of the top ten agenda items of each of the Republican candidates, not compared with each other, but what they as individuals have as their platform.<<<<<

I won’t do that but I encourage everyone to read Hunter’s positions. I guarantee you will be impressed. The best part is that his positions weren’t arrived at for this election cycle. He has lived them his entire career.

http://www.gohunter08.com/inner.asp?z=4


74 posted on 01/06/2008 10:03:26 AM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best!!)
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To: rb22982

I think I’ve never seen someone work so hard to prove himself wrong as you did with that post.


75 posted on 01/06/2008 10:03:27 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: rideharddiefast

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them absolutely livid, then tell ‘em the truth.

What does that have to do with cut and run consistently being a blame America first anti-American?
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In maybe not all but certainly the majority of instances in our lives when something doesn’t go the way we thought it should, if we sit down and go back through the situation we can find something that we did or didn’t do that would have corrected it, enabled it or just darn well would’ve made it happen the *right* way.

America has been the world’s cop for too long. What gave us the right to tell the rest of the world how to live? If two countries want to have a war and it affects any part of our economy, or a friends economy, we think that we need to jump in and tell everybody to calm down and sit up straight. And if they don’t obey right away then we start threatening them with all kinds of punishments. Who in the hell made us the world’s Mommy?


76 posted on 01/06/2008 10:30:37 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: joeclarke

Not necessary.

Fast forward a couple years -—

“Ron who?”


77 posted on 01/06/2008 10:32:03 AM PST by Scarchin
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To: upsdriver

The business world is afraid that Hunter would mess up the (globalist) trade agreements and fence off the border. That’s a no-no. So Hunter is a no-no.


78 posted on 01/06/2008 10:32:34 AM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: joeclarke

RP claims to have been a flight surgeon on the radio here.


79 posted on 01/06/2008 11:04:16 AM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: Paladin2
RP claims to have been a flight surgeon on the radio here.

Are you implying he wasn't?

80 posted on 01/06/2008 11:16:00 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: kjo

I too, will be voting Paul. Every one of the other candidates are promoting illegals, altho they don’t outright say so. When they get in power, they will do what they want, and to hell with what we want. Paul, at least says not one dime for illegals, no welfare, no Anchor babies deserve citizenship and welfare. Just like they threw out Pat Buchanan a few years ago, they are doing the same to Paul. If we would have had Pat as president, we would not have the illegals, the NAFTA deal, the Mexican trucks, the NWO, and the Iraq war. I say, I’m for a decent president for a big change, and that is Ron Paul.
Now flame me all you want.


81 posted on 01/06/2008 11:27:07 AM PST by Jennikins (It matters not what we want, as we are being ruled, not governed.)
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To: MichiganConservative

And maybe if you had not been so snarky in response to a legitimate question I wouldn’t think that you’re an ass-hat.


82 posted on 01/06/2008 11:35:51 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Bob
UK living standards outstrip US
83 posted on 01/06/2008 11:42:36 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: rb22982
Funny you say that because Bush and most other Republicans running for the nomination in 2000 said the same thing about Clinton and the Democrats at the time.

Exactly.

84 posted on 01/06/2008 11:42:50 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Turbopilot

More like a half truth.


85 posted on 01/06/2008 12:19:05 PM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: AndyJackson
UK living standards outstrip US

Thanks for the link. I see that the article is talking about per capita GDP rather than the respective total GDPs. With the 'per-capita' qualifier added, the claim that the UK has surpassed the US becomes much more plausible. :=)

The per-capita GDP difference seems to be minimal and is, in all likelihood, largely the result of the current weakness of the US dollar.

I also found a thread posted to FR earlier but the story hasn't gotten a lot of attention here.

FR link to GDP article

Since the thread we're on here is primarily on a somewhat different topic, if I have any further comments, I'll use that thread rather than this one. Thanks again for the link.

86 posted on 01/06/2008 12:20:32 PM PST by Bob
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To: Paladin2
Military Service:

* Flight Surgeon, United States Air National Guard, 1965-1968
* Flight Surgeon, United States Air Force, 1963-1965

There's any number of sources for the same info. I'll assume you were repeating disinformation you heard elsewhere and didn't bother to check yourself; consider yourself informed now.

87 posted on 01/06/2008 1:27:44 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: gusopol3

Hardly, read my second post to you.


88 posted on 01/06/2008 2:41:29 PM PST by rb22982
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To: rb22982

It’s long , but I don’t see Bush directly quoting Mao Tse Tung the way Paul does.


89 posted on 01/06/2008 3:42:11 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: B4Ranch

I’d rather fight terrorism over there rather than overhere.


90 posted on 01/06/2008 4:31:22 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: rb22982

Here’s why I think it’s inconsistent.

If Ron’s position were that whether the unborn were citizens with all the rights thereof was up to the states, then whether an abortion was murder would also be up to the states.

But when Ron says that the federal government should declare that they are citizens and have all the rights of citizens, then it is inconsistent to say that the states should have the option of treating abortion as murder or not.

Either they are citizens or not. If they are citizens, then abortion should be treated as murder. If they are not citizens, then the states can do as they will.

Now, Ron is correct in saying that Congress should pass a law removing jurisdiction over abortion from the court system.


91 posted on 01/06/2008 4:39:22 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: gusopol3

Bush was saying he was against nation building and putting troops all over the globe. Basically the same thing Paul says. But w/e some of you put your head in the sand and pretend wasn’t the anti-war person in 2000.


92 posted on 01/06/2008 6:29:04 PM PST by rb22982
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I don’t see the inconsistency in declaring who is a citizen (which is done federally always) and whether or not it is a murder (done at the state level). Sorry.


93 posted on 01/06/2008 6:29:46 PM PST by rb22982
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To: rb22982

carry on.


94 posted on 01/06/2008 8:51:39 PM PST by gusopol3
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