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The Tearing of the Conservative Fusion
Townhall.com ^ | January 6, 2008 | George Will

Posted on 01/06/2008 9:51:23 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/06/2008 9:51:24 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“Huckabee aggressively repudiates the Madisonians.”

Huck’s simply mopping up the job Bush began.


2 posted on 01/06/2008 9:58:46 AM PST by KantianBurke ("If you like President George W. Bush, you'll love Mike Huckabee,")
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To: Kaslin

The GOP is composed of multiple factions, each with its own priorities. Unforntunately this election cycle, too many members of the various factions in our coalition are seeking their own faction’s ideal candidate, without regard to the opinions of other factions. The only result of such an attitude will be the destruction of the coalition that is the GOP.

We must unite behind a candidate that is at least acceptable to all the major factions, and who also has a reasonable chance to run an effective, winning campaign in the general election.


3 posted on 01/06/2008 10:00:18 AM PST by sourcery (The Branch Algorian cult believes in human sacrifice)
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To: Kaslin
Under the doctrine that conservatives call "fusion," each faction has respected the other's agenda.

Back when the "other faction" thought it's media could stuff Giuliani down our throats, we were told time and again how we had to set aside our quaint little beliefs about the sanctity of life and marriage as you scolded us for our "intolerance" of "alternative lifestyles".

Well, Mr. Will, when the alternatives offered to us are in the form of Rudy McRomney who (no matter what he says now) is not pro-life and who still thinks the radical gay agenda is "chic", you should have expected the "fusion" to end. It was you, not us, who flushed the coalition. Aside from Mr. Huckabee, there is not one pro-life candidate running for President right now.

And, as we are the majority of voters in the GOP, watch what happens to your Georgetown cocktail circuit.
4 posted on 01/06/2008 10:04:25 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Kaslin
The way to achieve Edwards' and Huckabee's populist goal of reducing the role of "special interests," meaning money, in government is to reduce the role of government in distributing money.

Should be bumped, pinged and repeated frequently.

Government regulation inevitably makes capitalism less free market and more cronyish. As such, it is by definition is in the interest of large established businesses as compared to small upstarts.

5 posted on 01/06/2008 10:07:09 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Kaslin
Edwards...says a $100-a-barrel price is evidence of... "corporate greed."

He's right! Without "corporate greed," oil would never have been discovered and brought to the market. No oil, therefore no high prices. Problem solved.

6 posted on 01/06/2008 10:07:56 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Kaslin
Edwards, the North Carolina of his youth resembled Chechnya today -- "I had to fight to survive. I mean really. Literally."

Maybe he was picked on because he looked effeminate?

7 posted on 01/06/2008 10:10:14 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Kaslin

As a firm member of both “groups” I resent the notion that Reagan conservatism was held together by some unsteady alliance between different thinking people. It’s a crock, and the Huckster is nothing more than a flash in the pan. He’ll be yesterday’s news in a few weeks.


8 posted on 01/06/2008 10:11:34 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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To: advance_copy
Aside from Mr. Huckabee, there is not one pro-life candidate running for President right now.

Balderdash. Hunter and Thompson are pro-life.

9 posted on 01/06/2008 10:11:44 AM PST by hellbender
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To: Kaslin
God so loves Huckabee's politics that He worked a Midwest miracle on his behalf? Should someone so delusional control nuclear weapons?

I don't like Huckabee, but it's hysterical to see the GOP establishment start mouthing the same impieties of the Left, who said the same thing about Dubya.

10 posted on 01/06/2008 10:14:48 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: advance_copy
This paragraph, I agree with.

Back when the "other faction" thought it's media could stuff Giuliani down our throats, we were told time and again how we had to set aside our quaint little beliefs about the sanctity of life and marriage as you scolded us for our "intolerance" of "alternative lifestyles.

However Thompson and McCain are pro life. Will has a tendency to just blame Huck, who, by the way, I do not like. Will forgets his bunch of aging dopes created him.

The answer? No one gets to have it just "their way" or we lose.

When I fought against Rooty tooth and nail, I sure didn't want a Huckster to emerge.People need to get over their hurt feelings and get on to a candidate we can all get behind.

11 posted on 01/06/2008 10:15:59 AM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Reagan embodied all the strains of conservatism: the small-government one, the religious/social one, and the defense-hawk one. The whole spectrum has moved to the left since then, and many social conservatives (esp. Huck fans) are probably former independents and Democrats who could no longer stomach the extremism of a party which now condones atrocities like partial-birth abortion and gay marriage.


12 posted on 01/06/2008 10:16:51 AM PST by hellbender
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To: advance_copy
I agree with several of your points. However, IMO Mike Huckabee certainly does not stand alone as the "one pro-life candidate". I think the National Right to Life Committee (along with a growing list of individual state RTL committees) would disagree with you too given their endorsement of Fred Thompson.

Regarding the fusion of the conservative factions, I've posted this little exercise (along with my ratings):

Social Conservatives (SC) – Abortion; pro-traditional marriage; conservative Judicial appointments; pro-free exercise of religion; school choice; enforcing borders; family values; 1st amendment; 2nd amendment; there’s more

National Security Conservatives (NS) – Strong foreign policy; Aggressive posture on war & interrogation methods; enforcing borders; tough on crime; there’s plenty more

Fiscal Conservatives (FC) – tax policy (cuts); spending curbs; smaller, not bigger government; immigration laws enforced; national health policy; social security policy; there’s plenty more

My numerical ranking (1 best, 5 worst) of the “top 5” (polling nationally):

SC NS FC

Huckabee

1 5 5

Romney

3 4 2

Thompson

1 1 1

McCain

4 1 3

Giuliani

5 1 4

So IMO, it’s Fred, hands down (and I need to go to the html sandbox).

(other rankings invited)

13 posted on 01/06/2008 10:17:50 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Kaslin
...defining the middle class as households with annual incomes between $30,000 and $100,000, says a smaller percentage of Americans are in that category than in 1979 -- ... "the entire 'decline' of the middle class came from people moving up the income ladder."

Because, all the mothers in the country had to leave their kids in daycare and go to work.

That makes families feel poor.

14 posted on 01/06/2008 10:18:25 AM PST by donna ("We can create Kingdom on earth" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: hellbender

True about Hunter, but is he even still running? Thompson opposes abortion, but believes based on federalism that a state should be able to provide medical licenses to those who kill unborn babies if they want. Still, he is better than any of the Rudy McRomney candidates.


15 posted on 01/06/2008 10:19:19 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Kaslin
He is the un-Edwards and un-Huckabee -- an adult aiming to reform the real world rather than an adolescent fantasizing mock-heroic "fights" against fictitious villains in a left-wing cartoon version of this country.

I disagree with this completely. Huckabee and Obama are the left and really left versions of the same phenomenon. They both are great speakers who seem to actually answer questions rather than regurgitate focus group pablum. They seem fresh and that they would actually shake things up.

Forget the substance. America has decided to try something really new this year. If you sound fresh and new, it almost doesn't matter what you say. The R's better figure this out. Stick a fork in Romney and Clinton for the general election. They're the most focus-grouped candidates in the whole bunch.

16 posted on 01/06/2008 10:22:23 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Kaslin; sourcery
Unforntunately this election cycle, too many members of the various factions in our coalition are seeking their own faction’s ideal candidate, without regard to the opinions of other factions.

What I STILL don't understand is how does a meatball like Rudy become the "national security" candidate, when his foreign policy skills have been limited to ethnic festivals? Much as I have problems with Senator Queeg, he at least has experience and knowledge in that area. Plus, Rudy's advisors are the same West End Avenue Commentary Magazine Mafia that got us into the (latest chapter of) "making the world safe for Democracy" crusade to begin with.

Dump the Neocons on foreign policy and keep the snake handlers at bay.

17 posted on 01/06/2008 10:23:32 AM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: indylindy
However Thompson and McCain are pro life.

McCain, like Romney, is lying about it for political expediency. In 2000, he said that he does not want Roe v. Wade. He also said that it is ultimately the woman's "choice".

Thompson is pretty good on the issue, but would not support a federal ban on abortion due to his belief in federalism. Still, he'd appoint judges that overturn Roe v. Wade, and that is far more than you can say about McCain, Romney, or Giuliani.

The one thing people did not notice, but the voters in Iowa did notice, is that Mike Huckabee stood up for the sanctity of life at every campaign event. He is the only one who did that. That is why he won Iowa.
18 posted on 01/06/2008 10:24:30 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: advance_copy
CORRECTION: McCain said in 2000 that he does not want Roe v. Wade overturned.
19 posted on 01/06/2008 10:25:15 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Kaslin
Huckabee fancies himself persecuted by the Republican "establishment," a creature already negligible by 1964, when it failed to stop Barry Goldwater's nomination.

Strawman argument.

It's pretty obvious that a new GOP "establishment" has developed since then, and that it really, really dislikes Huckabee.

20 posted on 01/06/2008 10:26:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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