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Clinton, Obama clash in personal terms
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/06/08 | Jim Kuhnhenn - ap

Posted on 01/06/2008 1:42:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton clashed Sunday in the slushy New Hampshire homestretch, deriding each others' claims to be the true candidate of change. Clinton told Democratic voters they should elect "a doer, not a talker." Obama countered that his critics are stuck in the politics of the past.

At a raucous rally in a high school gymnasium in Nashua, Clinton skewered Obama for several votes he has cast in the Senate, such as his vote in favor of the Patriot Act and for energy legislation she described as "Dick Cheney's energy bill." She never mentioned Obama's name but left no doubt about whom she was discussing.

"You campaign in poetry, you govern in prose," Clinton said.

Obama, speaking at a packed Manchester theater, took issue with Clinton's criticism of him during Saturday's Democratic presidential debate.

"One of my opponents said we can't just, you know, offer the American people false hopes about what we can get done," he said.

"The real gamble in this election is to do the same things, with the same folks, playing the same games over and over and over again and somehow expect a different result," he said. "That is a gamble we cannot afford, that is a risk we cannot take. Not this time. Not now. It is time to turn the page."

Tuesday's primary could be pivotal for the Democrats. Obama, the freshman Illinois senator, is hoping to sustain momentum from his caucus victory in Iowa, and Clinton is looking to recover from her stinging third place finish.

A CNN/WMUR poll released Saturday found Clinton and Obama tied at 33 percent each in the state, with John Edwards trailing at 20 percent.

Edwards, who barely beat Clinton for second place in Iowa, was joined Sunday by three families who suffered medical tragedies as he made an emotional case against insurance companies. Picking up on a theme from the debates, the former North Carolina senator told reporters that he and Obama offer real change to voters while Clinton represents "the status quo."

He also argued he has more passion for change and would be more willing than Obama to fight for his goals. "He just believes you can negotiate with people," Edwards said of his rival.

Obama aides found themselves on the defensive after Clinton said during Saturday's debate that Obama's New Hampshire campaign co-chairman, Jim Demers, is a lobbyist whose clients include pharmaceutical companies. The Clinton campaign kept up the criticism Sunday morning in a teleconference call with reporters, noting that Obama has repeatedly said he does not take money from federal lobbyists or political action committees.

Obama communications director Robert Gibbs said Demers is a state lobbyist and does not do business involving federal legislation or regulation. He said the campaign has drawn a distinction between lobbyists who are registered to work at the state level and those who lobby the federal government.

"A ban on lobbying money and PACs is far from perfect," Gibbs said. "There is a difference between a college football player and professional football player," he added.

During the debate, while Clinton referred to Demers, the camera caught Obama shaking his head, saying "not so."

"He was shaking his head because her implication was that it violated our lobbyist pledge and his role quite clearly does not," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said.

Obama sounded an upbeat tone throughout the day, telling New Hampshire crowds their votes could propel him to the Democratic nomination.

"You will have the chance to change America in two days time," he said. "In two days we can do what the cynics said could not be done. We will have the chance to come together, Democrats, Republicans, independents and announce that we are one nation, we are one people and it is time for change in America. This is our moment, this is our time."

The former first lady was clearly elated to be greeted by a large, enthusiastic audience of her own in the same Nashua high school that Obama filled the day before. Both candidates had to use a second gym for the overflow crowd.

She took questions from several audience members after delivering a short, spirited stump speech — a marked contrast to her final appearances in Iowa, where she would give an hourlong campaign address and leave, generally without taking questions.

Earlier, she and daughter Chelsea braved slushy sidewalks to go door to door in Manchester for about an hour seeking votes.

After leaving one house, Clinton was asked by a TV reporter how she felt about the Democratic debate the night before.

"Really good," the senator said. "We're starting to draw a contrast for New Hampshire voters between talkers and doers."

Maura Labrie, a first grade teacher, said she was undecided but had told Clinton she had liked her debate performance.

"I liked how you said it hurt your feelings," Labrie said, referring to a question that said polls showed she lacked likability.

Husband Bill was campaigning in North Conway, N.H., sticking to the key word "change."

"There's a different between talk and action. It makes a big difference if you've actually changed people's lives, if it's the work of your life," the former president said.

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Associated Press writers Beth Fouhy, Nedra Pickler, Charles Babington and Holly Ramer contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clash; clinton; crazylady; hillary; nh2008; obama; personal

1 posted on 01/06/2008 1:42:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Will the media ever point out that Obama calls for CHANGE, but he doesn’t say what that change will be? He is a broken record. And not a solution one.


2 posted on 01/06/2008 1:44:46 PM PST by i_dont_chat (Your choice if you take offense.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I propose a duel


3 posted on 01/06/2008 1:46:08 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: i_dont_chat
“Will the media ever point out that Obama calls for CHANGE, but he doesn’t say what that change will be? “

Most politicians want change. The change in your pocket.

4 posted on 01/06/2008 1:47:10 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: NormsRevenge
“I liked how you said it hurt your feelings,” Labrie said, referring to a question that said polls showed she lacked likability

Unbelievable. Only a liberal or an idiot would buy that act.......sorry I answered my own question.

5 posted on 01/06/2008 1:51:27 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The robbed that smiles steals something from the thief".
Othello Quote (Act I, Scene III).
6 posted on 01/06/2008 1:51:29 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: pissant
I propose a duel

LOL! And I suggest it should be televised!

7 posted on 01/06/2008 1:51:34 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: pissant

with what ?.......SPITBALLS ????????

they are marxist liberals


8 posted on 01/06/2008 1:53:43 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills namedo us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"I liked how you said it hurt your feelings," Labrie said, referring to a question that said polls showed she lacked likability.

Clinton to herself: It worked!

It's all about feelings, which she is devoid of except to use as a ploy.

9 posted on 01/06/2008 1:54:58 PM PST by Syncro
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To: NormsRevenge
Buzz words. I guess "empowerment" has been replaced by "change". I like the comment above about the only "change" the politicians are wanting is the "change in your pocket".

The dumbed down American people are being led around with a ring in their collective nose.

10 posted on 01/06/2008 1:55:55 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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To: i_dont_chat

How about keeping your powder dry until Hillary is off of the stage?

Take notes for later, but today the priority is making sure that Hillary is NOT the Dem candidate.


11 posted on 01/06/2008 1:56:02 PM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow, the little old lady vs the spoiled young stupid brat. Ahhhhhh! What fun.


12 posted on 01/06/2008 1:57:21 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Earlier, she and daughter Chelsea braved slushy sidewalks

o what troopers they are
13 posted on 01/06/2008 1:57:32 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: NormsRevenge
"The real gamble in this election is to do the same things, with the same folks, playing the same games over and over and over again and somehow expect a different result," he said. "That is a gamble we cannot afford, that is a risk we cannot take. Not this time. Not now. It is time to turn the page."

Wow, talk about a put-down. Very eloquently stated.

14 posted on 01/06/2008 2:00:53 PM PST by rawhide
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To: advertising guy

with what ?.......SPITBALLS ????????

I will gladly loan them a pair of short-barreled dueling shotguns loaded with 00 Buck.


15 posted on 01/06/2008 2:01:21 PM PST by EEDUDE
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To: NormsRevenge
"There's a different between talk and action. It makes a big difference if you've actually changed people's lives, if it's the work of your life," the former president said.

Yeah, let's asked Monica the former 19-year old intern how much her life was changed by a predatory executive. I'm still stunned that Monica didn't sue Bubba AND the US government.

16 posted on 01/06/2008 2:01:23 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: NormsRevenge

Norm, please! When will somebody start asking Hillary the hard questions? And insisting upon answers? I have this recurrent nightmare inwhich even republicans refrain from those questions! First of all, what constitutes Hillary’s 35 years of experience and ‘change?’ What has she actually done and when? And what about all of the Clinton financial scandles? What about her alleged intimidation of women who claimed old Bill was an abuser? What about all those FBI files that wound up at the White House? What about all those ‘lost’ Rose law firm documents? What about all those records at the Clinton library that are being withheld from the public? What about all the anecdotal evidence that she was pre-emptory and abusive toward the Secret Service and others? What about her hatred for the American military? What about current refusal to face the public in anything other than a ‘staged event?’


17 posted on 01/06/2008 2:03:39 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: NormsRevenge
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field."
--Neils Bohr, Danish physicist and Nobel Prize winner

Hillary keeps touting her 35 years experience. Those very narrow fields include:
1. campaign manager for Bill (Anyone with a brain knows this was NOT hands on work when they employed hundreds of consultants and professionals. Hillary's role: Overview and sign off)
2. Rose Law Firm, partner (One of the partners constantly complained that Hillary was NOT doing enough case work -- five trials during her tenure there.)
3. First Lady - given the job of getting together a Universal Health Plan -- delegated that job to other professionals and mentors -- abject failure.
4. Expert liar --> except when she's caught red handed
5. Thief --> caught stealing from the White House

So, in effect, she's not an expert at anything. She fails at everything she does including hiring Sandy Berger to do her dirty work for her... including Hsu, Susan McDougal who both went to prison for her...

She's an idiot and a failure.

18 posted on 01/06/2008 2:07:58 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hillary (the smartest woman in the world) has outsmarted herself. In being too critical of Obama she risks being the designated ‘establishment’ candidate ... a fate worse than death for dems. Her only other choice is to run against Bush...and he aint on the ticket in’08. Poor, poor Hillary. I wonder what her plans are for life after government.


19 posted on 01/06/2008 2:08:04 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hillary talking about poetry and prose?

Watch her closely and you’re gonna find
There is evil on this woman’s mind
Just how low can she go?
Well, if you didn’t know
Two steps up is a rodent’s behind


20 posted on 01/06/2008 2:12:23 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Most politicians want change. The change in your pocket.

Yep. And, "Out with who's in, and in with ME!!!"

21 posted on 01/06/2008 2:12:39 PM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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To: xtinct
Don't forget the 240,000 jobs that left NY State in 2007.

THAT'S change.

22 posted on 01/06/2008 2:13:31 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: NormsRevenge

“Earlier, she and daughter Chelsea braved slushy sidewalks to go door to door in Manchester for about an hour seeking votes.”

Dear “Journalist”:

So what.

Sincerely,
Me.


23 posted on 01/06/2008 2:13:42 PM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: NormsRevenge

24 posted on 01/06/2008 2:14:26 PM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Don't forget the 240,000 jobs that left NY State in 2007.

THAT'S change.

You bet. Priceless!!!

25 posted on 01/06/2008 2:16:15 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: pissant

Yes! Grenades at three paces...


26 posted on 01/06/2008 2:26:59 PM PST by The Clemson Tiger (Hold that Tiger!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Obama-- re: The Clintons run in Politics:

"It is time to turn the page."

I like that!

27 posted on 01/06/2008 2:36:38 PM PST by reformjoy
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To: doug from upland

“Talkers and Doers”

Hillary: The Talker

Bill: The Do-Her


28 posted on 01/06/2008 2:39:04 PM PST by reformjoy
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To: NormsRevenge
Obama communications director Robert Gibbs said, "A ban on lobbying money and PACs is far from perfect."

Wonder why? Obama's been out there buying the office.

Barack Obama "has been the most aggressive of presidential candidates in using his leadership PAC-money to help the campaigns of state and local candidates in the early voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.  "More than one-third of his leadership PAC money is being used this way," Alex Knott reported November 16, 2007.
 
"Some of the recipients of Hopefund's largess are state and local politicians who have recently endorsed Obama's presidential bid," John Solomon reported November 26, 2007, in the Washington Post.
 
"The bulk of donations from Obama's PAC to state and local candidates this year went to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.  In addition, there were more than $60,000 in donations to national candidates in those same states, including $9,000 for Rep. Paul W. Hodes, the first member of Congress from New Hampshire to endorse Obama earlier this year.
 
"In addition to donating to individuals, Hopefund donated to several key Democratic groups in the battleground states, including $30,000 each to the Iowa House Truman Fund and the Iowa Senate Majority Fund and $15,000 to New Hampshire's Friends of a Democratic Senate," Solomon reported.  Hopefund Inc. also made two $5,000 contributions to the New Hampshire Democratic Party: on July 26, 2007, and September 27, 2007.

The Obama File


29 posted on 01/06/2008 2:40:21 PM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: pissant
I propose a duel

Hillary's choice of weapons.
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30 posted on 01/06/2008 2:55:37 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: NormsRevenge
Husband Bill was campaigning in North Conway, N.H.,

Three quarters of the people in North Conway are probably tourists from Mass...

31 posted on 01/06/2008 3:06:12 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Cobra64

Quarterback for the Packers...

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State. When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated “so has the pastry chef”.
>

Obama has much less experience than the pastry chef.

I ask my wife if I could take credit for all her work since 1988. She just rolled her eyes.


32 posted on 01/06/2008 3:34:41 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER ( “If you're not ready to die for it, put the word ''freedom'' out of your vocabulary.” – Malcolm X)
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To: NormsRevenge

If it gets hot enough, Oprah will step in and dispatch the opposition.


33 posted on 01/06/2008 3:40:46 PM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: advertising guy

Each gets a bag of “change” (in quarters) at 5 paces.


34 posted on 01/06/2008 4:21:11 PM PST by pankot
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To: TomGuy

What? You mean to tell me that they were not carried on the shoulders of their moronic robot followers.


35 posted on 01/06/2008 4:25:01 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: TomGuy

What, you mean to tell me that they were not carried on the shoulders of their moronic robot followers?


36 posted on 01/06/2008 4:25:37 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: EEDUDE

God bless you my son


37 posted on 01/06/2008 4:58:18 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills namedo us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: pankot

lmao


38 posted on 01/06/2008 5:00:07 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills namedo us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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