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Fred Thompson: Romneycare At A Glance
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Posted on 01/06/2008 2:30:43 PM PST by Fred

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To: fieldmarshaldj

What’s it gonna’ be tonight “McLame vs Pretty Boy Mitt” or
“I’m Lying as Fast as I can Huckleberry” vs “Back N Mass Mitt” or “Did I mention 911 Rooty” vs Fred Thompson?


101 posted on 01/06/2008 3:45:20 PM PST by A. Morgan (Thompson 2008)
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To: claudiustg
BS

U.S. Army Retired


102 posted on 01/06/2008 3:45:21 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; Lynne; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; ...
Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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103 posted on 01/06/2008 3:46:01 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: claudiustg
Mandated by the courts, you’ve been told a dozen times, but you continue to LIE.

Did the courts mandate the $50 co-pay or did Mitt just fail to veto it?

Did the courts mandate the Planned Parethood representative being on the board or did Mitt just fail to veto it?

104 posted on 01/06/2008 3:46:31 PM PST by Bob
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To: fieldmarshaldj
That’s all well and good they could’ve just halted funding, but then Scumquist would’ve had to have done something else in its place. You know and I know that asshat couldn’t do anything right, so would you have trusted him to try to come up with an entirely new system ? With THIS legislature ? Your blaming Fred for that is a stretch. As for Frist, he was just plain incompetent. Lay the blame on Scumquist.

What would have happened would have been best for all concerned especially the taxpayers and those in actual need. It would have defaulted back to Medicaid like before and would have been once again overseen by the State Inspector Generals Office where at least there was representation and accountability.

It wasn't broke to start with and didn't need fixing until Medicaid in Tennessee was purposely destroyed by Dem and RINO alike.

BTW didn't some of Ned's former cabinet end up running a few of those Hey Moes? It was federal dollars involved so yes Fred was also to blame and I don't call that a stretch. I was one of many who wrote Dear Fred and Dear Sen Frist letters asking that they step in and stop the funding and the madness. It's a sad commentary on the state of the Tennessee GOP when it took a DEM Liberal Governor to finally take a needed stand.

105 posted on 01/06/2008 3:46:56 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Reagan Man
One more time. RomneyCare is nationalized health care insurance and the first step towards socialized medicine. It’s mandated, subsidized and controlled by the government. Forcing people to purchase a service against their will is called tyranny. Subsidizing the premiums for those who can’t afford it, is called socialism.

So in your world, any slug who refuses to get insurance and then has say, a heart attack, will go the emergency ward and get the treatment becuase he cannot be denied under the law. And guess who's going to pay for that treatment. You and your fellow taxpayers.
106 posted on 01/06/2008 3:47:30 PM PST by Signalman
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To: claudiustg
"Remember the Heritage Foundation? Conservative think tank...
The Significance of Massachusetts Health Reform by Edmund F. Haislmaier"

Regardless of what Haislmaier says, forcing folks to buy health insurance, or pay a substantial fine is not deregulation.

107 posted on 01/06/2008 3:48:33 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: claudiustg
Mandated by the courts, you’ve been told a dozen times, but you continue to LIE.

He could have vetoed it.

108 posted on 01/06/2008 3:48:37 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
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To: Diogenesis

>>>>Sen. Hillary Clinton on RomneyCARE: “To come up with a bipartisan plan in this polarized environment is commendable.”

RomneyCARE is Healthy People 2010. That is HillaryCARE. This was Hillary’s little health scheme. Bill Clinton approved the funding before he left office.

This initiative was stimulated by President Clinton’s commitment to eliminate disparities in health for racial and ethnic minority populations by 2010.

http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/NR/rdonlyres/D2C8F49F-400E-467E-ACF2-6255D6E9FDEA/0/Nadrc0900.pdf
DHHS OFFICE OF HEALTH PROMOTION AND DISEASE PREVENTION
AND THE HEALTHY PEOPLE 2010 INITIATIVE

(major snip)

Dr. Randy Wykoff, Deputy Assistant Secretary for Health for Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, DHHS, presented an overview of Healthy People 2010, including the Leading Health Indicators, and possible ways to maximize this initiative. Healthy People 2010 is coordinated by the DHHS Office for Disease Prevention and Health Promotion.

Dr. Wykoff noted that Healthy People 2010 is a comprehensive set of national 10-year objectives that are developed through a collaborative process involving both the public and private sectors. All the objectives are specific and measurable over time based on data. The document, published and distributed by the Federal Government, also is a statistical description of the health status of Americans, including racial and ethnic disparities; a textbook on current public health priorities; and an important part of the national strategic plan for improving health. Healthy People 2010 is the third iteration of an effort that began in 1979 with publication of the Surgeon General’s Report on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention. Ever larger and more complex, this iteration has two overarching goals, 28 focus areas, 467 objectives, and 10 leading health indicators.

(major snip)

Grant Review

The Council considered 327 applications requesting $70,492,343 in total costs. The Council recommended
238 applications for a total cost of $31,211,337 (see Attachment II).


109 posted on 01/06/2008 3:50:27 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Petronski

How does a governor veto a court order? I thought only legislative bills can be vetoed.


110 posted on 01/06/2008 3:50:59 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Petronski

The state mandated state funded abortion for those that could not afford it. It wasn’t attached to any bill he could veto.


111 posted on 01/06/2008 3:51:23 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: Bobkk47

The money mandated by the court order is appropriated, right? A budget passes with the money in it, right?


112 posted on 01/06/2008 3:52:45 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
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To: Fred
Fred called for more options where one should be able to buy their healthcare insurance from whoever the HELL they want.

Imagine, a solution that involves removing regulations, less government, and more competition. Oh but wait...that's Capitalism. Can't feel the government's warm cradling arms taking care of us with Fred's solution.
113 posted on 01/06/2008 3:53:15 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: big'ol_freeper
“I am sure the thousands of pre-born persons who will be murdered annually for a mere $50.00 would like to dispute your claim of this being “health care”.
< /sarcasm>

That is also perfect and 100% “preemptive health care” ( Ron Paul style )

114 posted on 01/06/2008 3:53:17 PM PST by Greg67
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To: big'ol_freeper

You’re a liar, plain and simple. You should be ashamed of yourself.


115 posted on 01/06/2008 3:53:30 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: cva66snipe

The corruption and mismanagement of TennCare were Tennessee state government issues. Securing the funding obligation from the Federal Government as long as it was in existence was the obligation of the federal representatives in the House and Senate.

Had Fred refused to do the job he was elected for by the people of Tennessee and did not secure the federal funding, he would have been thrown out of office for being grossly incompetent and negligent. And TennCare would have gone broke years earlier and everyone, including the children would have been unfunded.

Not only that, but doing what you seem to think Fred should have done would have gone against his principles of federalism. Interjecting himself as a referee into internal state policy would have been stepping outside of his role as a representative for Tennessee in Washington. It’s was not his place to unilaterally decide not to get funding from Washington for state programs. That would be a gross dereliction of duty. You look like a fool for even suggesting it.


116 posted on 01/06/2008 3:53:55 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP'08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: Petronski
Romney's goal was to coverup what HIS illegal aliens
including those who worked for years on his Belmont sanctuary
has sown upon the tertiary care hospitals of Boston.

In fact, the sickest thing is that Romney's only interest in borders is to have
stolen ideas and effort from others.
Candidate Romney, takes time from attacking the GOP candidates,
and from paying and distributing false rumors against Fred Thompson and others,
to take deceitfully assume credit for Duncan Hunter's fence -- without attribution
on this Photo taken from Romney's 2008 Presidential campaign flier.


Myth: "I just received the endorsement of the NRA, Duncan Hunter's Fence,
Massachusetts Citizens for Life, everyone at FreeRepublic, and the Mauck family."

117 posted on 01/06/2008 3:54:35 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: commish
Lol.... that was great my friend.
The big story should be how Mitt engaged in gutter politics with that bogus MSM story about Fred dropping out.
118 posted on 01/06/2008 3:55:09 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Bobkk47

Next they’ll be saying the Heritage Foundation is a subversive organization! :^)

http://www.heritage.org/


119 posted on 01/06/2008 3:55:46 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optiMITTstic!)
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To: claudiustg
The state mandated state funded abortion for those that could not afford it. It wasn’t attached to any bill he could veto.

It had to have been part of some bill. In this case, it was part of the state health-care bill along with the $50 co-pay for it.

Did the court mandate that a Planned Parenthood rep had to sit on the board as well? Mitt didn't veto that either.

120 posted on 01/06/2008 3:55:54 PM PST by Bob
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To: claudiustg
You are telling me I should be ashamed when you support a candidate who has facilitated the slaughter of innocent human beings throughout his political career? You need to go look in the mirror and see who should be ashamed because it ain't me!!

U.S. Army Retired


121 posted on 01/06/2008 3:56:19 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Just in case anyone missed this interview! GO FRED!
http://fredfile.fred08.com/blog/2008/video-fred-thompson-on-fox-news-010608/


122 posted on 01/06/2008 3:56:27 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Fred; claudiustg
This seems like a legitimate shot at Romney. But could Romney really dictate all aspects of legislation while Governor of Massachusetts? I’m going to reserve judgment on this until I see a more complete and balanced discussion. Post 70 in interesting.
123 posted on 01/06/2008 3:57:37 PM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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To: Calpernia
RomneyCARE=Socialized Medicine which will cost Massachusetts at least $146 MILLION
(some estimates as high as $650 MILLION) the first year,
also causing Massachusetts health insurers to have projected
increased health premium increases of at least 8 to 18+ percent the first year.

No wonder Romney did not allow a vote by the citizens.

124 posted on 01/06/2008 3:59:05 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Bobkk47; Reagan Man
So in your world, any slug who refuses to get insurance and then has say, a heart attack, will go the emergency ward and get the treatment becuase he cannot be denied under the law. And guess who's going to pay for that treatment. You and your fellow taxpayers.

Romney's already on record as saying that only 7% of MA citizens were uninsured. In yesterday's debate, Romney furthermore said that 1/4th of these (of the 7%) already were earning $75,000 a year. So first of all, some of these "slugs" you reference are wealthy "slugs."

I would say that another 3% of the MA population (who were uninsured) are probably in the $35,000 to $75,000 range & could also have probably afforded at least a scaled-down form of insurance...which would leave just over 2% of the MA population who couldn't actually afford insurance.

So, here we have such draconian mandates for many beyond the 2% all to cover just over 2% of the population.

125 posted on 01/06/2008 3:59:07 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Fred

Fred better get in gear or he is toast.


126 posted on 01/06/2008 4:00:11 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg
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To: ChessExpert
I'm going to reserver judgement on this until I see a more complete and balanced discussion

Huh. Mitt...is that you?

U.S. Army Retired


127 posted on 01/06/2008 4:01:04 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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To: ChessExpert
But could Romney really dictate all aspects of legislation while Governor of Massachusetts?

He could have, at a minimum, line-item vetoed the requirement for a Planned Parenthood rep to be on the health board. He didn't.

128 posted on 01/06/2008 4:01:10 PM PST by Bob
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To: Fred
I'd heard of most of this, but the following is something I hadn't noticed before.

Small Businesses are fined $295-per-employee if they do not provide health insurance coverage to employees.

That's exactly what we need. More Americans need to be dependent upon their employers for more of their basic necessities. I think small businesses should be fined for not feeding and clothing their employees, too. Maybe we should encourage businesses to set up company towns, mint their own money, and force their employees to buy everything from the company store while we're at it.

It's incredible that an alleged businessman and champion of free enterprise came up with this excrement.
129 posted on 01/06/2008 4:01:22 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Bobkk47
Before folks had health insurance, if you went to the hospital and incurred charges, you owed the hospital a payment for services rendered. If you didn't pay the bill, the hospital would send a collection agent after you, or in some cases they would take you to court and sue you. That is still how things are handled today for Americans without health insurance.

The current policy of government intervention into the health care business has removed that standard old fashioned approach. Bottom line. Government has no business in the health care business. Period.

130 posted on 01/06/2008 4:01:44 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mylife
But, his supporters will say " stop attacking Mitt, he's so accomplished with great hair, he so conservative .. " BS.
Mitt can't be trusted.
131 posted on 01/06/2008 4:02:27 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: claudiustg

Subversive? No.

Affordable? Maybe.


132 posted on 01/06/2008 4:03:31 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
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To: Fred

Standby for the Romneybots to rally to the defense of this Mitt’s version of Hillary Care.


133 posted on 01/06/2008 4:03:35 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: counterpunch
And TennCare would have gone broke years earlier and everyone, including the children would have been unfunded.

IT WAS FEDERAL DOLLARS what part do you not yet understand? As for the children? The only obligation should have been to children of deceased or disabled workers. If it had went broke then that would have resolved a lot of issues. Here is what you do not understand. It was more or less Universal Health Care. It was a dumping programs so big name insurers would not have to take persons with such things as Hypertension. Now you explain this to me I'm all ears. How come when I became disabled and lost my employer's coverage I was turned down for coverage? Under Medicaid I would have been covered. I got on it not because of my disability but because of Hypertension. You're from Cali and know very little about Tennscares history and the corruption it brought. You don't know about the doctors in this state being blackmailed by a Big Name insurer to either sign on or loose their business in the private sector.

Now then if it was simply a matter of a state issue then why pray tell did he have to go to Washington DC for funding and waivers?

134 posted on 01/06/2008 4:04:54 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe

My point is that ultimately the blame rested with the Governor. If Fred had been and done squat, then you’d have reason to saddle him with it. It is state officials that deal with state policy, not federal (even if there was ultimately some overlap here). He wasn’t about to start a civil war with Scumquist.


135 posted on 01/06/2008 4:05:27 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Reagan Man

Out here in CA, we have lots (thousands, millions?) of uninsured individuals who use Public Hospitals to take care of them because they have no other place to go. The Public Hospitals must treat them. And the taxpayers pay the bill.

So one way or another, those of us who have private insurance pay for those who don’t.


136 posted on 01/06/2008 4:05:33 PM PST by Signalman
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To: NavVet
See #71. You would have to be a sick puppy to support someone who has furthered the Culture of Death throughout his political career. There's a bottom line for you.

U.S. Army Retired


137 posted on 01/06/2008 4:06:25 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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To: counterpunch

Thank you, you explained that far better.


138 posted on 01/06/2008 4:07:25 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: claudiustg

First of all “nothing” is much much preferable to imposing socialized medicine.

Second of all, everyone I know has coverage and if they are really too poor and don’t have it through work, they are covered by medicade. (Another bloated beuacracy, we don’t need to supplament with another). Mitt and Hillary want to penalize us all based on this made up 47 million uninsured figure.

And third, Fred and many other conservatives advocate market based solutions that will address the underlying problems of overpriced health care. It is the govt. mandated third party payer system that has caused prices to sky rocket. Just look at those procedures that aren’t covered by insurance, the prices for things like laser eye surgery and lypo has actually went down over the last decade.


139 posted on 01/06/2008 4:09:25 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: ChessExpert; Bob; Prophet in the wilderness; big'ol_freeper
This seems like a legitimate shot at Romney. But could Romney really dictate all aspects of legislation while Governor of Massachusetts? I’m going to reserve judgment on this until I see a more complete and balanced discussion. Post 70 in interesting.

OK, there's two components here: (1) the $50 abortion subsidy; (2) A Planned Parenthood League rep included as a permanent member of the "payment policy advisory board." On this post, I'll just address documentation for the second point:

April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access for poor women. As governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details).

140 posted on 01/06/2008 4:10:09 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Bull Market

Unfortunately it may be too late by the time the hospital treats you. I didn’t get timely care and ended up in hospital two months with an expensive chronic condition that will never go away. Oh, and I have a minimum wage job; how much was I supposed to have in a savinghs account?


141 posted on 01/06/2008 4:10:10 PM PST by judsonlegacy
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To: Fred

Mitt sponsored slavery?


142 posted on 01/06/2008 4:10:42 PM PST by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Diogenesis

And now he’s prepared to take the Romney disaster nationwide.


143 posted on 01/06/2008 4:11:08 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: claudiustg

Getting the government OUT of healthcare would be the single best thing you could do to provide affordable healthcare to all.

Given the government’s track record, having the government do absolutely nothing else regarding healthcare is probably the most for which we can hope.

There is one field of medicine that has greatly expanded access, increased treatment options, and reduced costs. That is the field of Plastic Surgery and it is no accident that it is almost entirely paid for by the individuals who seek treatment. The government hasn’t had an opportunity to screw it up.


144 posted on 01/06/2008 4:11:28 PM PST by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (The facts of life are conservative -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
My point is that ultimately the blame rested with the Governor. If Fred had been and done squat, then you’d have reason to saddle him with it. It is state officials that deal with state policy, not federal (even if there was ultimately some overlap here). He wasn’t about to start a civil war with Scumquist.

The dam@ stinking program would have never existed without federal money and federal approval from which was obtained on the support of the state U.S. Senators. That is how it worked. Remember? Fred did nothing to address it. He did everything to encourage Taxquist. But I got a feeling if Taxquist was running instead of Fred I'd be hearing major defense of him as well.

145 posted on 01/06/2008 4:12:06 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe
If Ronald Reagan were alive today he would want to b*tchslap all these RINOs and their supporters.

U.S. Army Retired


146 posted on 01/06/2008 4:13:33 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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To: Petronski; Fred; Saundra Duffy
"He could have vetoed it."

In all fairness, Mitt's veto was proven useless here.

Should he have vetoed on principle? Perhaps.

It would not have made a difference.

I am against the health care mandate altogether, so the point is moot.

147 posted on 01/06/2008 4:14:37 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: NavVet
Until people are made to take ownership of their own medical care, we'll never be free of the specter of socialized medicine. Individually-owned health savings accounts with individually-owned high-deductible insurance for catastrophic expenses are the only way.

The President had it right when he talked about an "ownership society." If only he'd followed through more vigorously.
148 posted on 01/06/2008 4:15:15 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Fred

The $50 abortions were thrown in by a judge. Romney had nothing to do with it.


149 posted on 01/06/2008 4:15:30 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
The $50 abortions were thrown in by a judge. Romney had nothing to do with it.

Today's winner of the Flip Romney Talking Points Parrot Award for Mindless Mumboobery

U.S. Army Retired


150 posted on 01/06/2008 4:18:52 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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