Skip to comments.Shaken Clinton Camp prepares for Trench Warfare (After N.H.)
Posted on 01/06/2008 9:58:11 PM PST by tcrlaf
Hillary Clinton's campaign, anticipating probable defeat here in New Hampshire on January 8, is gearing up for an extended trench-warfare battle against Barack Obama.
The former First Lady is planning to fight Obama in South Carolina on January 26, and in the gargantuan nationwide primary on Tuesday, February 5 -- with contests in 19 states, including New York, California, New Jersey, Georgia, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Colorado. If she remains competitive, Clinton's plan is to continue to compete in Louisiana on February 9, in Virginia and Maryland on February 12, in Wisconsin on February 19, in Ohio on March 4 -- and beyond, if necessary.
In an approach redolent of Walter Mondale's 1984 "Where's the Beef?" tactic against Gary Hart, Clinton has adopted the less memorable slogan "Rhetoric vs. Results, Talk vs. Action."
The Clinton campaign is sparing no effort to pressure the media to lean on Obama's perceived vulnerabilities.
Looking to leverage Obama's slender resume, a Clinton operative argued to HuffPost that the campaign will be able to demonstrate that "Obama is just not a plausible person in this environment of international peril," and that the longer the primary campaign can be extended, the better chance Clinton will have to prove that "there is not even a second level to Obama, there is no depth."
The results of this gambit are far from certain. Many political observers here see Hillary on the ropes. "I think Iowa was the best she is going to do. Now she has the stink of a loser on her," said an official from the upper echelons of the 2004 Democratic campaign. In the upcoming states, voters "are just now starting to pay attention, and all they know is that he [Obama] is a winner and she's a loser."
Like Mondale in 1984, Clinton is configuring her campaign to win in states where independents cannot vote. "Clinton got killed among independents and those few Republicans who crossed over," an Iowa operative noted about last Thursday's caucuses. After this Tuesday's New Hampshire primary, where independents can cast ballots in either the Democratic or Republican contest, "We are just going to go to the big Democratic states with closed primaries" says a member of the Clinton inner circle.
Political analyst Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute warned, "Tactical maneuvering at this point is of limited value, but all [Clinton] may be able to do for the moment is to try tactical stuff, and lash herself to the mast to withstand the [Obama] wave."
The daggers are coming out now, and the DEMOCRATIC PARTY CIVIL WAR is going to vicious and bloody...
If you read any of the leftist sites like KOS, Huffpo, and others, especially the radical ones, you can see how this is going to EXPLODE, and very soon.
The Clinton's and thier cronies would rather bring the Democratic Party down in flames, than move aside for the "good of the Party"...
This post from Huff pretty much sums up the coming DEMOCRAT CIVIL WAR:
“Barack Obama is one big mouth that speaks volumes of dreamlike pie in the sky and wished for aspirations as if he’s the only one, who can do your thinking for you, and make all your dreams come true, then you better have a prayer ready for yourself and your loved ones, cause all of his hopes and dreams, won’t put any more food on your table, or feed your desperate desires.
We will see, that by handing the ball over to Obama, he will fumble it, and the Republicans, will pick it up, and score the White House.”
Grab the popcorn...
This is going to like watching Detroit burn on halloween, from the Ambassador Bridge!
Think what the disillusionment would be if the blacks and youth elect Obama in every primary and she still gets the nomination. It would be like the disappointment of supporting McCarthy in 1968 but see Humphrey get the nomination. Very disenchanting.
She looks bad, she sounds bad and now she smells bad.
Two junior senators who have accomplished nothing in the senate going at each other about results and action?
I mean, you can't make this stuff up!
(Please pass the popcorn...)
This "super delegate" thingy is a bit weird. I'm not sure I understand how all this works.
What did she do to get these? Why didn't her rivals get any?
The “Democratic” Party uses an anti-democratic nominating system that includes 842 “super-delegates” un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters, free to support the candidate of their choice, and who comprise more than forty percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination.
Many have already announced the candidate they will support.
In a clear attempt to protect the party establishment, this undemocratic infrastructure was created following George McGovern’s landslide defeat in 1972.
It was designed to prevent a populist nominee who was “out of sync with the rest of the party”
(WOW!, Who does THAT sound like??”
Democratic National Committee member Elaine Kamarck called it a “sort of safety valve.”
See # 11...
I still can't get over that Hillary ad, with the gifts she was going to "give" us all.
The superdelegates are members of Congress, state party officials, etc. She may have called in some chits to get them. I think that they can change their commitments to her before the convention but the primary delegates are committed through the first vote. Obama had 76, with Iowa now has 93. Edwards had around 46, now about 60.
Things are going to get reallllll NASTY.
It will be like Hitler's response after Rastenberg in 1944. It will be brutal. She will use everything short of piano wire. Hide the ashtrays. That woman is PISSED.
I LOVE the smell of Napalm in the mornin’!
It’s a great way for Hillary and Bill to call in their chits. Knowing them, I would be scared if I got a call from them to NOT go along with the program. There are about 4050 delegates and 40% of them would be about 1620. If she got most of the superdelegates, plus 1/3 of the primary ones (33% of the other 2400 would be 800), she could easily get to the 2025 majority needed to get the nomination. Regardless of the primaries, the party “of the people” is still a smoke-filled room operation.
She made changes for 35 years.Gosh.I need more popcorn.:)
arrghh, there'll be no lack of volunteers to put the lash to her!
“The Clinton’s and thier cronies would rather bring the Democratic Party down in flames, than move aside for the “good of the Party”
Not even close. The Klinton’s will do ANYTHING for power, at the expense of their party.
“The Night Of The Long Knives”
Pass the Drambuie and the popcorn please.
If anyone cares, I have been having a discussion on another thread about what this means tactically.
If Obama is the nominee, he faces a desperate problem. His convention is first. He has to pick a VP first. If he and Hillary hate each other, he will have enormous difficulty getting her to be VP.
But if he does not, the GOP has Guilliani as either nominee or VP nominee to grab NY’s EVs.
This puts Obama in a position of not being able to play offense for Indiana’s EVs with Evan Bayh. He has to play defense against Guilliani’s potential for grabbing NY’s EVs from him. So it’s Hillary or Schumer or Spitzer, just to prevent Guilliani as GOP VP from taking EVs he can’t lose.
The Night Of The Long Knives
Speaking of Hitlery’s Brownshirted S.A., I can’t help but notice how QUIET the Clinton Organs MoveOn.Borg and MediaMatters have been on this, so far...
Good point, but he’s got to GET THERE, first...
Arkancide has a way of just sneaking up on you...
BTW, do you think their individual identities are known?
Love the imagery---reminds me of the last scenes from Moby Dick where Ahab was lashed to the great white whale as it barreled through the sea.
I can’t find an actual LIST of Democrat Superdelegates (gee, Imagine THAT on Leftist google)
But I have found a list of COMMITTED SUPER-DELEGATES, as of 2 Jan:
Gov. Jon Corzine of New Jersey
Gov. Eliot Spitzer of New York
Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland
Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii
Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland
Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York
Rep. Gary Ackerman of New York
Rep. Michael Arcuri of New York
Rep. Robert Andrews of New Jersey
Rep. Timothy Bishop of New York
Rep. Joseph Crowley of New York
Rep. Eliot Engel of New York
Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York
Rep. John Hall of New York
Rep. Alcee Hastings of Florida
Rep. Brian Higgins of New York
Rep. Maurice Hinchey of New York
Rep. Steve Israel of New York
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas
Rep. Nita Lowey of New York
Rep. Carolyn Maloney of New York
Rep. Doris Matsui of California
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York
Rep. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts
Rep. Michael McNulty of New York
Rep. Gregory Meeks of New York
Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York
Rep. Richard Neal of Massachusetts
Rep. Frank Pallone of New Jersey
Rep. Charles Rangel of New York
Rep. Jose Serrano of New York
Rep. Louise Slaughter of New York
Rep. Edolphus Towns of New York
Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio
Rep. Nydia Velazquez of New York
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of FL
Rep. Anthony Weiner of New York
Don Fowler (SC)
Thurbert Baker (GA)
Michael Thurmond (GA)
Rep. John Lewis (GA)
Tommy Irvin (GA)
Robert Menendez (NJ)
Michael Mauro (IA)
Gov. Ted Kulongoski (OR)
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (CA)
Sen. Diane Feinstein (CA)
Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA)
Rep. Jane Harman (CA)
Rep. Tom Lantos (CA)
Rep. Janet Napolitano (CA)
Rep. Laura Richardson (CA)
Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA)
Rep. Brad Sherman (CA)
Rep. Hilda Solis (CA)
Rep. Ellen Tauscher (CA)
Rep. Diane Watson (CA)
Manny Rodriguez (CO)
Maria Handley (CO)
Gov. John Balducci (ME)
Rep. CA Dutch Ruppersberger (MD)
Rep. Barney Frank (MA)
Gov. Ted Strickland (OH)
Rep. Diane DeGette (CO)
VP Walter Mondale (MN)
Rep. David Scott (GA)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (MO)
Gov. Mike Beebe (AR)
Rep. Corrine Brown (FL)
Rep. Kendrick Meek (FL)
Sen. Evan Bayh (IN)
Rep. Tammy Baldwin (WI)
Rep. Yvette D. Clarke (NY)
Rep. Darlene Hooley (OR)
Rep. Bill Pascrell (NJ)
Rep. Albio Sires (NJ)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Rep. Jay Inslee (WA)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (TX)
Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (MA)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (RI)
Rep. Jim Langevin (RI)
Rep. Leonard Boswell (IA)
Rep. Marion Berry (AR)
Rep. Mike Ross (AR)
Rep. Vic Snyder (AR)
Sen. Mark Pryor (AR)
Rep. Joe Sestak (PA)
Rep. Allyson Schwartz (PA)
Gov. Jennifer Granholm (MI)
DNC Dina Titus (NV)
DNC Tim Sullivan (WI)
Rep. Donald Payne (NJ)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (WA)
Del. Donna M Christensen (VI)
Sen. Hillary Clinton (NY)
VA Democratic Party Chair C. Richard Cranwell
Gov. Rod Blagojevich of Illinois
Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois
Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii
Rep. Melissa Bean of Illinois
Rep. Russ Carnahan of Missouri
Rep. Lacy Clay of Missouri
Rep. John Conyers of Michigan
Rep. Jerry Costello of Illinois
Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland
Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama
Rep. Danny Davis of Illinois
Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota
Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois
Rep. Phil Hare of Illinois
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois
Rep. Gwen Moore of Wisconsin
Rep. Bobby Rush of Illinois
Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Illinois
Rep. Adam Smith of Washington
Rep. Robert Wexler of Florida
Del. Eni Faleomavaega of American Samoa
John Millin (WY) - Obama
Rep. Sanford Bishop (GA) - Obama
Hank Johnson (GA) - Obama
Rep. William Delahunt (MA)
Dan Slater (CO)
Rep. Dave Loebsack (IA)
Rep. Betty McCollum (MN)
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (NH)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (PA)
Rep. Barbara Lee (CA)
Rep. Paul Hodes (NH)
Rep. Jim Cooper (TN)
Rep. Al Green (TX)
Rep. Bobby Scott (VA)
Del. Eni FH Falleomavaga (Am-Samoa)
Sen. Kent Conrad (ND)
Gov. Deval Patrick (MA)
DNC Steven Horsford (NV)
DNC Tom Hynes (IL)
Sen. Barack Obama (IL)
Rep. G.K. Butterfield of North Carolina
Rep. Bob Etheridge of North Carolina
Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin of SD
Rep. Charlie Gonzalez of Texas
Rep. Raul Grijalva of Arizona
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas
Rep. Mike McIntyre of North Carolina
Rep. Brad Miller of North Carolina
Rep. Jim Oberstar of Minnesota
Rep. David Obey of Wisconsin
Rep. David Price of North Carolina
Rep. Heath Shuler of North Carolina
Rep. Bart Stupak of Michigan
Rep. Mel Watt of North Carolina
Rep. Albert Wynn of Maryland
Rep. Michael Michaud (ME)
Rep. Bruce Braley (IA)
DNC Joe Wineke (WI)
Let's not forget that some of those states have had their convention delegate numbers cut by the DNC because they were going to have early primaries, e.g., Florida. This would give greater power to the non-primary delegate numbers.
Fatima, your tag line says “Free Hugs for Christmas”. Is that for Christmas 2008?
I’ll be the first to give you a Christmas hug, then (353 days, 15 minutes, 12 seconds ahead of time),
In Michigan’s Instance, the ELECTED delegates got cut, BUT NOT the Super-Delegates.
Can you just IMAGINE the outcry if the DNC and Howie Dean cut off JOHN CONYERS Convention vote??
“TRENCH warfare; does that mean he’ll be found in a shallow grave.”
(((Hugs))) Needs a popcorn animation on this thread.Need to go to sleep.:)
Although it's a big risk, her nomination might be our best hope. The mention of her name boosts our fundraising and if the youth and minorities are properly disillusioned by her "stealing" Obama's nomination, they might not vote at all to protest. Also, she does energize our bases, all of them, fiscal and social conservatives. And, best of all, if we could just beat her is a real R vs. D race, we might be done with the likes of them forever (if there is such a thing where the Clinton's are concerned).
I filled in all the spaces, today, to post an article. After copying and pasting in all the proper places, I clicked “post”.
Couldn’t post it, because it is not a source FR allows.
The title of the article (Oh, I wish I could have posted it), was “Mrs. Bill Clinton - Loser!”
Sorry, in post #39, I meant to say, “once the real vote counting starts.”....late night typo’s.
Do you have the URL?
(One whiff and you're dead!)
I think she is the only one on the ballot in Michigan - the others boycotted. Come convention time, if she needs the delegates, she will fight for them to be included.
While there are some jubilant Democrats right now over OBAMA, those that actually KNOW how thier own Party processes work are getting depressed, AND FAST...
As good a speaker that Obama is, the PARTY infrastructure is already committed to Hitlery. It’s just isn’t possible for Obama to build a 24 state infrastructure for primaries in the next 29 days.
The DNC spent MILLIONS trying to avoid EXACTLY THIS SCENARIO, and instead have BOOSTED thier own nightmare.
A Democrat brokered Convention would be a nightmare of Orwellian proportions, and would blow every liberal “Stolen Election” fantasy right out of the water.....
May the Lord forgive me for what I’m imagining. But I read somewhere that blacks make up a considerable portion of the democratic voting block in the South. I can just see Hillary walking into a church wearing black face and in her affected black accent she’s cacklin’ about how white Obama really is, saying that people should vote for her — the real black candidate.
I just hope the media gets clear pictures. :-)
Oh my, that would probably cause the breakup of the Democrat party.
That list is a real piece of work. Some enterprising conservative journalist, who can score interviews, could have a field day with this.
Super Delegate, Marion "Let's do another line of coke" Berry for Clinton!?