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SWAT officers invade home, take 11-year-old at gunpoint
WND ^ | Jan 7, 2008 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/07/2008 4:04:46 AM PST by driftdiver

Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family's home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak. The boy's parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy's father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves. Someone, apparently the unidentified paramedic, called police, the sheriff's office and social services, eventually providing Leoniak with a report that generated the magistrate's court order to the sheriff's office for the SWAT team assault on the family's home in a mobile home development outside of Glenwood Springs, the father, Tom Shiflett, told WND.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; banglist; beserkcop; cps; donutwatch; fascism; jackboots; leo; police; policestate; swat
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Whatever happened to knocking on the door and serving a warrant?? Regardless this is an amazing abuse of power.
1 posted on 01/07/2008 4:04:49 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

wow. its just gonna get worse.


2 posted on 01/07/2008 4:06:34 AM PST by abstracTT
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To: driftdiver

“You are being placed under arrest for refusing to allow medical personnel to dress your son’s wound. Anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law.”


3 posted on 01/07/2008 4:07:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: driftdiver

Welcome to nationalized healthcare and the nanny state.


4 posted on 01/07/2008 4:09:17 AM PST by MarkT
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To: driftdiver
He immediately carried his son into their home several doors away, and John was able to recite Bible verses and correctly spell words as his father and mother, Tina, requested. There were no broken bones, no dilated eyes, or any other noticeable problems.

The family, whose members live by faith and homeschool, decided not to call an ambulance.

The kid falls, hit's his head, and some little rodent paramedic tries to play God. So typical of many in the medical field today, they think "the patient" is just their slave to provide billable time/services against, without any say in the matter.

5 posted on 01/07/2008 4:12:41 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: driftdiver

Dad says he’s going to sue and I hope he sets the taxpayers back by millions.


6 posted on 01/07/2008 4:12:49 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Gabz

I think this is a nanny. Especially since this says the boy was released immediately:

>>>The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn’t adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, John, to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.<<<


7 posted on 01/07/2008 4:14:11 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: metmom

For consideration of your homeschool ping list.


8 posted on 01/07/2008 4:14:36 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: driftdiver
Remember this came from world NUT daily. There is more to this story.
9 posted on 01/07/2008 4:15:04 AM PST by rideharddiefast
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To: driftdiver

Dear God in Heaven have mercy.


10 posted on 01/07/2008 4:15:41 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Although most dead people vote democrat, aborted babies, if given the choice, would vote Republican.)
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To: wagglebee

Moral Absolutes?


11 posted on 01/07/2008 4:15:56 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: driftdiver
Hey, SWAT folks are not evil but dammit if they did not act like NAZI’s here. I would have totally questioned the order.

The POLICE state of NY has a tell on your neighbor system that goes in guns drawn first without any PROOF or facts to support. Its their ability to get in your home and look around for something to be upset about.

12 posted on 01/07/2008 4:17:15 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: driftdiver

I see we haven't learned our lesson.

13 posted on 01/07/2008 4:18:34 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: driftdiver

Whatever happened to knocking on the door and serving a warrant?? Regardless this is an amazing abuse of power.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

Social Services doesn’t need a warrant. They just show up at your door and demand to be let in. Should you refuse, a police officer WILL be summoned and they will invade your home...all on the word of someone that they will not identify


14 posted on 01/07/2008 4:20:10 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: driftdiver
WOW - the excerpt was bad enough, but the story just gets worse at the link. I’m usually not an advocate of lawsuits - however, in this case...
15 posted on 01/07/2008 4:20:11 AM PST by VRWCtaz (You're not just seeing things if you can get others to see them too. Now about the voices...)
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To: rideharddiefast

“Remember this came from world NUT daily. There is more to this story.”

WND is a fringe publication IMO. They have an obvious agenda and blur the lines between news and ‘special offers’.

That said there is no reason to use SWAT unless there is imminent threat to a person or excessive danger to the police officer. From the story it sounds to me like the family was reasonable and the jackbooted thugs were out of control. In this case the thugs arent the swat team, its the judge and the child welfare system.


16 posted on 01/07/2008 4:20:44 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: rideharddiefast

“Remember this came from world NUT daily. There is more to this story.”

A presumptuous speculation.


17 posted on 01/07/2008 4:22:08 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: driftdiver

Colorado police are the nations best!!! look at the job they did on the Jon Benet Ramsey case.(sarc)


18 posted on 01/07/2008 4:22:35 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: South Dakota

“Social Services doesn’t need a warrant. They just show up at your door and demand to be let in. Should you refuse, a police officer WILL be summoned and they will invade your home...all on the word of someone that they will not identify”

I thought that trend was reversed by a radical judge who said they had to have an actual warrant.


19 posted on 01/07/2008 4:23:10 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The family’s real crime was that they are Christian and homeschool. That obviously makes them dangerous. /s

If the kid was bleeding or unconscious I could understand making sure the kid was cared for, not by swat though. They knew this was not the case. I hope this guys finds a good lawyer and shuts that state down.


20 posted on 01/07/2008 4:28:40 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver
"In this case the thugs arent the swat team, its the judge and the child welfare system."

Doing something so completely immoral (unwarranted application of force) because you were just following orders is still immoral. Police aren't robots, they're human beings with free will and, as such, responsible for their own behavior.
21 posted on 01/07/2008 4:29:52 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: South Dakota
Social Services doesn’t need a warrant.

They do need a warrant just like the police do.

They just like people to think they don't need one because that bit of disinformation helps get them in the door.

22 posted on 01/07/2008 4:32:01 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: LIConFem

exactly. just like in the army...just because you are given an order. doesnt mean you are supposed to follow it blindly. if its illegal or immoral, its your duty to reject that order.


23 posted on 01/07/2008 4:32:45 AM PST by abstracTT
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To: driftdiver

Regional Government trumps sovereignty except the Reginonal Government

Regional Government Innovations: A Handbook for Citizens and

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=3CgM6BZ43IQC&dq=regional+government+%26+citizens&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=DknVQH5gId&sig=62j45x2fHf2nZZAXdELRp5FUi9I


24 posted on 01/07/2008 4:34:24 AM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Calpernia
" .. The paramedic and magistrate .. "

Everyone seems to be missing the major impetus in this .. the paramedic.

Here's a guy/gal that, because dad and mom said, "No, we'll take care of him .. thanks anyway", got on the phone and cried to every agency that has the power to vindicate his hurt ego?

No?

OK .. the guy/gal is a certified whacko, and this was as close a job to having power after failing the exam for the police academy.

No?

OK .. He/she is a died in the wool socialist and saw a citizen actually having control over their lives and the life of their child and By God! we ain't gonna' have none of THAT !

No?

The paramedic is the problem ... and we'll never know what becomes of him or her.

25 posted on 01/07/2008 4:35:06 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: abstracTT
wow. its just gonna get worse.

Amen, brother. Terrifying, isn't it.

Yet even on this site, the State's ready aye ready defenders will rationalize and 'explain' like any other disfunction-accommodating enabler.

You can have "America", or you can have SWAT teams - you can't have both.

26 posted on 01/07/2008 4:35:06 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

The SWAT folks were probably just under the assumption that there was an injuried child.


27 posted on 01/07/2008 4:35:07 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: driftdiver
According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son's condition himself.

The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn't adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, John, to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.

28 posted on 01/07/2008 4:35:42 AM PST by rawhide
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To: LIConFem

“Doing something so completely immoral (unwarranted application of force) because you were just following orders is still immoral. Police aren’t robots, they’re human beings with free will and, as such, responsible for their own behavior.”

Good point - ‘I was just following orders’ has resulted in a lot of damage in the past.


29 posted on 01/07/2008 4:36:13 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: rawhide
The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a "self-proclaimed constitutionalist" and had made threats and "comments" over the years.

However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father's illegal behavior. "I can't tell you specifically," he said.

"He was refusing to provide medical care," the sheriff said.

However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.

"I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision," the sheriff said.

But he said Shiflett was "rude and confrontational" when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.

30 posted on 01/07/2008 4:38:43 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

>>> But he said Shiflett was “rude and confrontational” when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission. <<<

Gee, ya thinnk????


31 posted on 01/07/2008 4:40:09 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: rawhide

” The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn’t adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, John, to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately.”

Yeah I saw that. Also, the paramedics had seen the child and knew he was not seriously hurt. There is more to the story and I would be surprised to learn it was family. They seem entirely reasonable in this story.

Parts of Colorado are becoming the new Berkley so its my guess the liberals involved couldn’t stomach someone taking personal responsibility.


32 posted on 01/07/2008 4:40:49 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: Calpernia
You’re most likely right. Its not up to them, but look what they are made to look like when they come in under such false auspices. This is why I assert that SWAT is not evil, but the scum Nazi that sent them in is. SWAT looks like the bad guy here as they are the point of the spear when it was thrown by a tyrannical judge under the false pretense of liberals lying about a situation they arrogantly thought they knew everything about. Yeah...just like they know everything about global warming. They are so perfect in their smug assumptions of their knowledge.

This poor family and that poor kid. And I can’t help but feel that the SWAT team feels like crap too.

33 posted on 01/07/2008 4:41:25 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: rawhide

” However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father’s illegal behavior. “I can’t tell you specifically,” he said.”

Looks like the sheriffs budget is gonna get slashed to pay the pending lawsuit.

“He was refusing to provide medical care,” the sheriff said.”

No, he was refusing unnecessary medical care.

” But he said Shiflett was “rude and confrontational” when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.”

hmm being rude results in a swat team? being rude to someone in your home without permission warrants a swat team?

I’ve read thru this story about three times and it just keeps getting worse.


34 posted on 01/07/2008 4:43:45 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

If ever a lawsuit was justified, this is it. I hope the father sue everyone involved, and most especially the ambulance company, whose employee started all of this.


35 posted on 01/07/2008 4:44:48 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Vaquero
"Colorado police are the nations best!!! look at the job they did on the Jon Benet Ramsey case.(sarc)"

And don't forget the heroes of Columbine that waited outside in fear while kids were being shot and at least one person bled to death.

36 posted on 01/07/2008 4:45:00 AM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: driftdiver

Question, who pays the hospital bill?


37 posted on 01/07/2008 4:45:53 AM PST by rawhide
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don’t people realize they haven’t had the control of their children in 44 years atleast?

.......

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


38 posted on 01/07/2008 4:46:02 AM PST by sure_fine ( " not one to over kill the thought process " )
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To: driftdiver
They have an obvious agenda and blur the lines between news and ‘special offers’.

That site is loaded with all kinds of spyware cookies etc......so much so that I have to turn off pop up cop to even get to it

39 posted on 01/07/2008 4:48:46 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: rawhide

From the article which you posted at #28:

“According to friends of the family, Tom Shiflett, who has 10 children including six still at home, and served with paramedics in Vietnam, was monitoring his son’s condition himself..........The paramedic and magistrate, however, ruled that that wasn’t adequate, and dispatched the officers to take the boy, John, to a hospital, where a doctor evaluated him and released him immediately. “

I’m disgusted with the fact my parents committed that negligence many times when me or my brother or sister got banged up when we were kids. It’s a miracle we survived.

And now, I must confess that transgression was passed on to me and I’ve done the same with my kids. I can’t take the guilt anymore. Even though they are grown I fear I’ve done something wrong. I’m calling to turn myself in.


40 posted on 01/07/2008 4:49:57 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: driftdiver
I hope this guys finds a good lawyer and shuts that state down.

You want to see Colorado shut down?

41 posted on 01/07/2008 4:54:46 AM PST by humblegunner (My KungFu is ten times power.)
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To: rawhide

Here’s a couple of good ones I just remembered, both happened in the past couple of months, separate incidents different states. Two kids whose families I am friends with fell and banged her heads. Both kids were taken to the hospital and and were checked out and released by the staff.

Both kids lost appetite, slept a lot and went back to the hospital two days later and were found to have suffered mild concussions.


42 posted on 01/07/2008 4:55:48 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: humblegunner

“You want to see Colorado shut down?”

I Love Colorado but any state that allows this to happen is quite dangerous to the rest of us. These kinds of things don’t happen overnight or because of one person. Its a systemic problem that allows people like the judge and sheriff to get in power and then stay in power.

So yes, I think it needs to be a significant impact.


43 posted on 01/07/2008 4:58:37 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: NonValueAdded

I wonder how Elian is doing these days?


44 posted on 01/07/2008 4:59:13 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: humblegunner

The only way these tyrannical abuses of power will ever end is when the public outcry becomes greater than the resisting forces. It’s going to take, at a minimum, a legal crisis to accomplish that.


45 posted on 01/07/2008 5:01:23 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Have we seen an article about this story yet? Other than WND's, I mean. The Post Independent is a daily, maybe they'll mention the incident this week.

A presumptuous speculation. [that there may be more to WND's story]

46 posted on 01/07/2008 5:01:36 AM PST by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: rideharddiefast
Sometimes (almost always) stories are written to appeal the readers and tug at their heartstrings. It’s always best to read for the facts, not the emotions.
47 posted on 01/07/2008 5:03:02 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

“Both kids were taken to the hospital and and were checked out and released by the staff. Both kids lost appetite, slept a lot and went back to the hospital two days later and were found to have suffered mild concussions.”

Hospitals are full of sick people, bacteria, viruses and can cost you the arm and leg the hospital didn’t accidentally cut off. Anyone let alone children should not be exposed to a hospital unnecessarily.


48 posted on 01/07/2008 5:03:12 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

They should be thankful that ther weren’t shot or gassed, I suppose.

The disturbing part, again just my opinion, is that there are more than a few on this forum that see nothing wrong with actions such as this by l.e.


49 posted on 01/07/2008 5:03:40 AM PST by sport
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To: rawhide

“Question, who pays the hospital bill?”

Mom and Dad most likely. Either that or tax dollars.


50 posted on 01/07/2008 5:03:43 AM PST by driftdiver
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