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Is Mitt Romney Conservative? (Gov Romney Supported Abortion & Gay Agenda with Judges & Boy Scouts)
CP.com ^ | 29Aug06 | Gary Glenn

Posted on 01/07/2008 6:18:49 AM PST by xzins

Is Mitt Romney Conservative?

by Gary Glenn Chairman, Campaign for Michigan Families

The Washington, D.C. conservative weekly Human Events last year listed Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in its Top Ten list of RINOs (Republicans in Name Only), ranking him at number 8 in the nation with the following entry:

"Has said, ’I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.’ Supports (homosexual) civil unions and stringent gun laws. After visiting Houston, he criticized the city’s aesthetics, saying, ’This is what happens when you don’t have zoning.’" (Human Events)

Romney should have ranked even higher on the list of RINOs. He famously likes to tell conservative audiences in Iowa and South Carolina that being a conservative Republican in Massachusetts is like being a cattle rancher at a vegetarian convention.

I attended last fall’s GOP conference in Michigan, where Romney continued his masquerade as a "conservative," even daring to tell the assembled activists: "I am pro-life" -- knowing full well that he does not mean by that term what those listening would think he meant.

Romney’s ten-year political career has occurred from his late 40s to his late 50s, yet he asks pro-family conservatives to naively believe that he’s just now figuring out his core beliefs.

During that decade, he has insistently supported legal abortion-on-demand. In a televised 1994 campaign debate, Romney said: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. ...Since that time, my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter, and you will not see my wavering on that." (Boston Globe)

His 2002 gubernatorial campaign web site stated: "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government’s." (Archive)

Romney’s response to the National Abortion Rights Action League’s 2002 candidate survery: ’’I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government’s. The truth is, no candidate in the governor’s race in either party would deny women abortion rights." (Notably, Romney refused to answer Massachusetts Citizens for Life’s candidate questionnaire.) (Boston Globe)

Not surprisingly, Romney’s clearly stated support for Roe and "a woman’s right to choose" -- i.e., abortion on demand -- earned him the endorsement of the pro-abortion Republican Majority for Choice PAC.

He was also endorsed, twice, by the homosexual "Log Cabin Republicans," the same group that in 2004 spent $1 million attacking President Bush for his support of a Marriage Protection Amendment.

Romney believes the Boy Scouts should allow openly homosexual Scoutmasters: "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." (Web today)

He endorses Ted Kennedy’s federal "gay rights" legislation. He endorses taxpayer-financed same-sex benefits for the homosexual partners of state employees, and even attacked some Democratic legislators for not supporting such government benefits.

According to the Associated Press, he has appointed at least two openly homosexual lawyers to state judgeships, one a board member of the Lesbian & Gay Bar Association. Imagine how that will fly in Republican presidential primaries in the South, the prospect of a president with a record of appointing homosexual activists to the bench. (See copy of gubernatorial news release below.)

In 2002, before the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court legalized so-called homosexual "marriage," Romney denounced a preemptive state Marriage Protection Amendment prohibiting homosexual "marriage," civil unions, or same-sex public employee benefits as "too extreme," even after being advised by the media that his own wife and son had just signed a petition to place it on the ballot. (Boston Phoenix)

Now, as he postures to run for president, Romney travels to Iowa and Michigan and South Carolina to claim he’s "pro-life" and brag about fighting homosexual "marriage," saying that at age 59, his position on such issues has "evolved."

(No flip-flop so far, however, on his stated support for homosexual Scoutmasters, forcing taxpayers to fund spousal benefits for the "partners" of state employees involved in homosexual relationships, or Kennedy’s federal "gay rights" legislation.)

Regardless, most pro-family voters don’t believe in the theory of evolution -- including as it applies to politicians, and especially when the alleged "evolution" seems so conveniently timed to produce political benefit.

Gov. Romney can tell all the cattle-rancher-at-a-vegetarian-convention jokes he wants about Massachusetts. But they’re going to fall flat when social conservatives learn -- and they will -- that his long-term record on abortion and elements of homosexual activists’ political agenda has been that of Vegetarian in Chief.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: bsa; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; nh2008; proabortion; progay; romney; romneytruthfile
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To: BufordP

The link is great. Used for a Ron Paul training manual?

LCR were in an alliance with Stonewall. Stonewall was in a parade that NAMBLA joined. Romney was endorsed by LCR years back (but they hate him now). Therefore, Romney supports NAMBLA.

Did you not study logic? Or, are you part of the conspiracy?


181 posted on 01/08/2008 7:05:01 AM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: BillF

I’m not part of the conspiracy because I wear a tin foil hat for protection.


182 posted on 01/08/2008 7:07:35 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: xzins
He is not a conservative. But he's managed to fool about 25% of the GOP into thinking he is one.

Pathetic.
183 posted on 01/08/2008 7:16:39 AM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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To: xzins

>I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation

That is interesting. IF that was Romney’s view, he opposed the legal position taken by his Church in supporting the BSA. Anything to back the quote up?


184 posted on 01/08/2008 7:18:32 AM PST by tortdog
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To: tortdog
Romney believes the Boy Scouts should allow openly homosexual Scoutmasters: "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." (Web today)

Yes. There are earlier posts this thread that give links.

185 posted on 01/08/2008 7:20:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

That’s my biggest problem on Romney - never know where he REALLY stands on things. He SAYS that he now believes in certain things (and admits that he has changed), but HAS HE?

Nonetheless, he is a good family man with no skeletons, and he has a solid record of fiscal discipline.


186 posted on 01/08/2008 7:25:28 AM PST by tortdog
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To: tortdog

No personal behavior skeletons....he has plenty of policy position skeletons and his crew is trying like crazy to get them buried again.

But that won’t work.

There’s no way that I want a guy who believes in abortion, gun control, the gay agenda, gays in our military, and illegal amnesty to be in charge of the country.

I simply won’t ever vote for him. Period.


187 posted on 01/08/2008 7:29:08 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

>There’s no way that I want a guy who believes in abortion, gun control, the gay agenda, gays in our military, and illegal amnesty to be in charge of the country

Well, first Romney does not have a track record of favoring the illegal alien situation. So knock that off the list. And Romney’s personal beliefs are opposed to abortion (always have been), as well as disfavoring homosexual activities. What is at issue is whether he believes it legal to discriminate against gays.

Romney has never broken a campaign promise. So he seems like he’s a man who can be trusted. If he had a track record of saying one thing and doing another, I would share your concern.


188 posted on 01/08/2008 7:33:47 AM PST by tortdog
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To: tortdog

He has supported amnesty. He has supported the gay agenda (and still does.) He has a huge history of support for abortion. (And I don’t believe a politician who says, “Well...personally, I don’t like it BUT...”)

Romney is a radical social liberal. I have all the cites to prove it to a reasonable conservative.


189 posted on 01/08/2008 7:38:06 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Rome2000
Thanks I know all about it. It was first posted last winter. In case you didn't know, Romney has converted to the pro-life cause and is running on a Reagan pro-life conservatve platform. As I, others and Rich Lowry from the National Review has said, he isn't going back.

But keep foolishly attacking Romney so we're stuck with Rudy who is running on a pro-choice platform, or McCain or Huck, or Hillary and Obama. That would be far better for conservatives.

190 posted on 01/08/2008 8:46:44 AM PST by TAdams8591 ((Mitt Romney '08, THE ONLY candidate who can defeat Giuliani and Hillary and Obama!))
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To: P-Marlowe

I now inform you that you are too far from reality.


191 posted on 01/08/2008 8:48:51 AM PST by BlueMoose
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To: xzins
"Romney is a radical social liberal."

The above statement is an outragous lie. No radical social Liberal runs on a Reagan pro-life conservative platform. Keep it up and conservatives will be stuck with true radical social Liberals, like Hillary or Obama.

192 posted on 01/08/2008 8:50:48 AM PST by TAdams8591 ((Mitt Romney '08, THE ONLY candidate who can defeat Giuliani and Hillary and Obama!))
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To: TAdams8591

Go to the link at the top of your page entitled “RomneyTruthFile.”

In it you will find Romney’s record on social issues. He is pro-abortion, pro-gay agenda, pro-gays in the military, anti-gun, pro-amnesty....

The data there. Read it for yourself.

Just because he said at the start of this campaign: “Er...excuse me..but...uhhmmm...I don’t like my life long political positions anymore” — that doesn’t mean I should suddenly consider him a died-in-the-wool conservative.

He’s a radical social liberal. His record proves it.


193 posted on 01/08/2008 9:44:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins
Don't waste your breath, this guy is so far in the tank for that snake oil salesman Romney he's either on his payroll or in love with his hair and square jaw.

Only a moron could believe Romney is pro life.

194 posted on 01/08/2008 12:43:13 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: BlueMoose; P-Marlowe
There are other sources that question his eligibility to be President.

When the Mexican Revolution broke out in late 1910, Romney's family went to Oakley, Idaho, and finally ending up in Salt Lake City, Utah. (Some would later ask questions about Romney being eligible for the presidency as a "natural-born citizen" when he was born in Mexico.)

195 posted on 01/08/2008 1:13:37 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

I will be surprised if you get any reply.............


196 posted on 01/08/2008 2:10:52 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Osage Orange

THere were Romney’s in Mexico, being from a Romney from Ill. Is there fact to this accusation or is this an other hit and run ?


197 posted on 01/08/2008 4:01:55 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Excuse me?

You need to 'splain Lucy....

198 posted on 01/08/2008 4:15:31 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: BlueMoose

George Romney’s Father was Gaskill Romney born in St George, Utah. His Mother Anna Pratt was born in Salt Lake City.

“And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”[


199 posted on 01/08/2008 4:56:37 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

There is currently debate concerning the definition of “natural born citizen.” The main focus of this debate is whether or not children born to Americans overseas should be considered eligible for the Presidency. Several main candidates have sought the office who were born outside the United States (e.g., George Romney was born in Mexico to U.S. parents, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory, and John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents). Barry Goldwater’s case among these three is unique in that although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully incorporated territory of the United States (unlike Panama and overseas territories which were/are unincorporated), making it debatable whether or not he was born “outside” the United States; it is also unique in that Arizona was later admitted as a state. None of these candidates was elected, so the issue was never fully addressed. However, McCain is currently seeking the 2008 Republican nomination for President.


200 posted on 01/08/2008 4:57:52 PM PST by BlueMoose
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