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Is Mitt Romney Conservative? (Gov Romney Supported Abortion & Gay Agenda with Judges & Boy Scouts)
CP.com ^ | 29Aug06 | Gary Glenn

Posted on 01/07/2008 6:18:49 AM PST by xzins

Is Mitt Romney Conservative?

by Gary Glenn Chairman, Campaign for Michigan Families

The Washington, D.C. conservative weekly Human Events last year listed Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in its Top Ten list of RINOs (Republicans in Name Only), ranking him at number 8 in the nation with the following entry:

"Has said, ’I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.’ Supports (homosexual) civil unions and stringent gun laws. After visiting Houston, he criticized the city’s aesthetics, saying, ’This is what happens when you don’t have zoning.’" (Human Events)

Romney should have ranked even higher on the list of RINOs. He famously likes to tell conservative audiences in Iowa and South Carolina that being a conservative Republican in Massachusetts is like being a cattle rancher at a vegetarian convention.

I attended last fall’s GOP conference in Michigan, where Romney continued his masquerade as a "conservative," even daring to tell the assembled activists: "I am pro-life" -- knowing full well that he does not mean by that term what those listening would think he meant.

Romney’s ten-year political career has occurred from his late 40s to his late 50s, yet he asks pro-family conservatives to naively believe that he’s just now figuring out his core beliefs.

During that decade, he has insistently supported legal abortion-on-demand. In a televised 1994 campaign debate, Romney said: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. ...Since that time, my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter, and you will not see my wavering on that." (Boston Globe)

His 2002 gubernatorial campaign web site stated: "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government’s." (Archive)

Romney’s response to the National Abortion Rights Action League’s 2002 candidate survery: ’’I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government’s. The truth is, no candidate in the governor’s race in either party would deny women abortion rights." (Notably, Romney refused to answer Massachusetts Citizens for Life’s candidate questionnaire.) (Boston Globe)

Not surprisingly, Romney’s clearly stated support for Roe and "a woman’s right to choose" -- i.e., abortion on demand -- earned him the endorsement of the pro-abortion Republican Majority for Choice PAC.

He was also endorsed, twice, by the homosexual "Log Cabin Republicans," the same group that in 2004 spent $1 million attacking President Bush for his support of a Marriage Protection Amendment.

Romney believes the Boy Scouts should allow openly homosexual Scoutmasters: "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." (Web today)

He endorses Ted Kennedy’s federal "gay rights" legislation. He endorses taxpayer-financed same-sex benefits for the homosexual partners of state employees, and even attacked some Democratic legislators for not supporting such government benefits.

According to the Associated Press, he has appointed at least two openly homosexual lawyers to state judgeships, one a board member of the Lesbian & Gay Bar Association. Imagine how that will fly in Republican presidential primaries in the South, the prospect of a president with a record of appointing homosexual activists to the bench. (See copy of gubernatorial news release below.)

In 2002, before the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court legalized so-called homosexual "marriage," Romney denounced a preemptive state Marriage Protection Amendment prohibiting homosexual "marriage," civil unions, or same-sex public employee benefits as "too extreme," even after being advised by the media that his own wife and son had just signed a petition to place it on the ballot. (Boston Phoenix)

Now, as he postures to run for president, Romney travels to Iowa and Michigan and South Carolina to claim he’s "pro-life" and brag about fighting homosexual "marriage," saying that at age 59, his position on such issues has "evolved."

(No flip-flop so far, however, on his stated support for homosexual Scoutmasters, forcing taxpayers to fund spousal benefits for the "partners" of state employees involved in homosexual relationships, or Kennedy’s federal "gay rights" legislation.)

Regardless, most pro-family voters don’t believe in the theory of evolution -- including as it applies to politicians, and especially when the alleged "evolution" seems so conveniently timed to produce political benefit.

Gov. Romney can tell all the cattle-rancher-at-a-vegetarian-convention jokes he wants about Massachusetts. But they’re going to fall flat when social conservatives learn -- and they will -- that his long-term record on abortion and elements of homosexual activists’ political agenda has been that of Vegetarian in Chief.


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Mitt Romney is not a conservative
1 posted on 01/07/2008 6:18:51 AM PST by xzins
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To: wagglebee; P-Marlowe

Human Events Top 10 Rinos

1. Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R.I.)
Once approached by Democratic Leader Harry Reid to switch parties, Chafee has long supported liberal policies. He backs legal abortion, gay rights, federal-funded health care, strict environmental protections and a higher minimum wage. Opposes ANWR drilling. Also was the only Republican in Congress not to endorse the President’s reelection and one of three who tried to gut Bush’s tax cuts.
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8. Gov. Mitt Romney (Mass.)
Has said, “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” Supports civil unions and stringent gun laws. After visiting Houston, he criticized the city’s aesthetics, saying, “This is what happens when you don’t have zoning.”


2 posted on 01/07/2008 6:19:59 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins
He is also a gun grabbing anti second amendment nany state crusader.

His universal health bill in his home state bills every non-health insurance holder $2500/year, except illegal alliens (naturally).
3 posted on 01/07/2008 6:27:28 AM PST by wrench
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To: xzins
Always gotta go back to '94.

Speaking of flip-flops, whenever someone tells me they have just found Jesus, I tell them, "Go to Hell you flip-flopper!"
</sarcasm>

4 posted on 01/07/2008 6:28:36 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: xzins

I snorted when he boasted about not raising taxes, just fees.


5 posted on 01/07/2008 6:29:05 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: wrench

He also wrote a letter to the Log Cabin Republicans stating he was FOR gays serving in the military.


6 posted on 01/07/2008 6:30:01 AM PST by rightazrain (GO FRED!!!!)
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To: xzins
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.........

Well you know the rest. Romney is NOT a conservative, nor Huckabee, nor "Give 'em Amnesty" McCain and certainly not Guilliani, even Thompson is NOT a conservative but closer to one.

Hunter is the most conservative and the poor guy can't get arrested!

Americans have turned the corner on conservatism and now embrace socialism lite until they get it full bore, I fear.

Everybody seems to want something that they haven't worked for or spent their own money for -- step in Nanny State to "fix the problem" and take away more of our freedoms.

I certainly don't have any desire to live in a Socialist State.

7 posted on 01/07/2008 6:30:06 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: xzins
He comes from and was very involved with his parents politicking, both of whom were liberal Republicans. He publicly rejected Reagan and Reaganism, and President Bush. He’s a Harvard Lawyer. He’s, mostly, lived in Massachusetts. He was elected in the most liberal state in the Union, once I might add.

Culturally he has shown no signs of overt conservatism. He was never in the Marine Corps, wouldn’t know a revolver from an automatic. Never until running for President, about two years ago, wrote one conservative article or book or gave a speech.

And now, supposedly, he’s a conservative.

He needs to earn a bit. Take one for the Gipper. He’s not even on Conservative probation. He’s just a pledge that wants to run the Frat house. Ah, I don’t think so.

8 posted on 01/07/2008 6:30:09 AM PST by Leisler
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To: xzins

I hadn’t known about the Boy Scout thing. I’d like to see a cite for that, but if it’s true he’s pretty much off the table for me.

Of course, when it comes to the Illinois primary I’m voting for Fred if he hasn’t tanked, so I guess it doesn’t matter to me what a RINO Romney is.


9 posted on 01/07/2008 6:30:57 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
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To: xzins

Thanks for adding yet another Mittwitt club to an already bodacious arsenal.


10 posted on 01/07/2008 6:36:10 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Fred will crush the beast and send her back through the gates of hell.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Here’s one: http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/200024.aspx


11 posted on 01/07/2008 6:40:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

The fact that anybody claiming to be in the least bit conservative can vote for this out and out fraud amazes me.
Somebody should print this article on a bill board in Charleston and Columbia this weekend.


12 posted on 01/07/2008 6:41:59 AM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: xzins
I will be excited when the '08 election is Romney v Obama.

Go Romney!

it's too bad that Fred just cannot get anybody inspired....including me. What a bore. He is gonna lose to Huckabee in SC...... GO HUCKABEE!

13 posted on 01/07/2008 6:42:32 AM PST by rface (kooky inside and out)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I hadn’t known about the Boy Scout thing. I’d like to see a cite for that, but if it’s true he’s pretty much off the table for me.

Here's your link.

Straight from the RINO's mouth.

14 posted on 01/07/2008 6:42:35 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins

I wouldn’t expect John Kerry’s GOP equal to be a real conservative. As a matter of fact, I don’t think Mitt Romney is real and genuine about anything other than saying whatever he needs to get elected.


15 posted on 01/07/2008 6:43:28 AM PST by conservativecajun (Hunter '08 - vote for the most qualified for the position)
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To: Leisler

His father, George Romney, was CEO of American Motors, was governor of Michigan, and even ran for President, but interestingly was born in Mexico. His family (grandparents, I think) had gone to Mexico because of persecution of polygamists in the US. George was a Mexican.

George Romney lost his presidential bid when he returned from a trip to Vietnam during the war and claimed that he had been “brainwashed.”

Thereafter, he became anti-war.


16 posted on 01/07/2008 6:43:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I guess they got that from this debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5FGtR0bHkI

It is 1:32 in.


17 posted on 01/07/2008 6:43:56 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: P-Marlowe

See #16.

Explains how Romney supports illegal amnesty and hired illegals, doesn’t it?


18 posted on 01/07/2008 6:45:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins
Is Mitt Romney conservative?

To be or not to be, that is the question...Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous LIES I TELL ABOUT MY RECORD, Or to take UP VICIOUS ATTACK ADS against a sea of troubles FROM HUCK, FRED AND JOHN, And by opposing end them? To SEE MY CAMPAIGN die: to SEE IT sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end IT AFTER MICHIGAN. The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to MY OLD MAN'S BRAINWASHED LOINS, 'tis a consummation. Devoutly to be wish'd THAT MY COWARDICE DURING 'NAM WOULD To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream AS IN MLK'S DREAM THAT I LIED ABOUT: ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams may come PERHAPS THAT MY DAD DID INDEED MARCH WITH MLK. When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause: there's the respect That makes calamity of so long life THEN GO OFF TO A PLANET NEAR ELOHIM; For who would bear the whips and scorns of SUCH FLIP-FLOPPING LIES, My oppressor's RIGHT, the proud men ARE BETTER THAN I, The pangs of despised LIES I HAVE TOD, the law's delay IN PROCECUTING THEM, The insolence of office I LIBERALLY HELD IN M'CHUSETTS and the spurns THAT CONSERVATIVES NO GIVE MET. That patient merit of the unworthy (ME) takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life OF FLIPS AND FLOPS, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscover'd country from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have BROUGHT UPON OURSELVES! Than fly to others that we know not of: DUNCAN, FRED, MACAIN AND HUCK? Thus conscience OF ESCAPE TO PARIS does make cowards of ME; And thus the native hue of RUNNING FROM DUTY Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of ;OES, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry FROM ME, And lose the name of action. - Soft you now! The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons Be all my sins remember'd.

19 posted on 01/07/2008 6:45:31 AM PST by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: zerosix

There are stupid narrow-minded “conservatives”(the fake ones) and sensible intelligent conservatives(the true ones).
Seems that Fred T. belongs to the second category ie the category of tough free conservatives even if one can disagree on accessory issues...
Hope D.HUNTER and supporters belong to the same category...
But i didn’t understand clearly why some HUNTER’s supporters claim that Fred THOMSON is NOT a conservative.
I didn’t find their arguments! Probably they have no arguments....
Some liberal/demonrat trolls trying to divide conservatives?...


20 posted on 01/07/2008 6:46:37 AM PST by Ulysse (fides quaerans intellectum)
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To: NavVet

A Navy Vet should have some email addresses for Charleston.

See if you can send it to someone who can spread it around.


21 posted on 01/07/2008 6:47:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: rface
it's too bad that Fred just cannot get anybody inspired....including me. What a bore. He is gonna lose to Huckabee in SC...... GO HUCKABEE!

He inspired enough in Iowa to get third and would have even had a higher percentage except for the last minute sleazy rumour. He also inspired enough to get second in Wyoming.

As far as boring goes, there is nothing more pathetic and boring than Mittwits constantly claiming their liberal candidate is a conservative in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

22 posted on 01/07/2008 6:48:11 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Fred will crush the beast and send her back through the gates of hell.)
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To: xzins

Mitt Romney is not a conservative.

Ditto. Insert ‘Captain of the obvious’ picture here.

Thanks for posting.


23 posted on 01/07/2008 6:50:20 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: conservativecajun

As a matter of fact, I don’t think Mitt Romney is real and genuine about anything other than saying whatever he needs to get elected.

BINGO.


24 posted on 01/07/2008 6:51:11 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: xzins
George Romney lost his presidential bid when he returned from a trip to Vietnam during the war and claimed that he had been “brainwashed.” Thereafter, he became anti-war.

Right! But the Romulan of course "longed to be in Vietnam" while he was yucking it up on the LEFT bank of Paris during that time...and got a student deferment to finish college after his almost 3-year "ministerial deferment" ran out (the same kind denied to Muhammad Ali)!

25 posted on 01/07/2008 6:51:26 AM PST by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: xzins
His father, George Romney, was CEO of American Motors, was governor of Michigan, and even ran for President, but interestingly was born in Mexico.

I guess a little technicality like the Constitution is not going to get in the way of a Romney who is bent on becoming president.

26 posted on 01/07/2008 6:52:17 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
Ummm, he was elected governor in the bluest of the blue states. Its dead certain he’s not a conservative.
27 posted on 01/07/2008 6:53:18 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: FreedomProtector
Until I started digging into Romney's record, I had no idea what an unbelievably liberal record that he has.

It's insanity to consider this man a conservative. He's worse than a Rino

He's Rino13

28 posted on 01/07/2008 6:53:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

Unfortunately, the couple of folks I still know in Charleston are flaming libs and would see this as a reason to actually consider voting Republican.


29 posted on 01/07/2008 6:58:04 AM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: meandog; P-Marlowe

I joined in 1970 out of High School. It was still hot in Vietnam.

Romney was more than eligible and is about the age of my uncle who was killed in ‘Nam during Tet in ‘68.

He was hiding behind a “ministerial deferment” at that time, even though his “mission” was past and there are no such things as “graduate seminaries” in his religion.

None of his sons has seen the military. His father did not join with the war of the greatest generation. All sons could have participated at some point in defending this nation.

I would not trust Romney with our military.


30 posted on 01/07/2008 6:59:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins
It’s insanity to consider this man a conservative. He’s worse than a Rino

He's Rino13

Mitt Romney’s magical transformation, Oh I running in a Republican primary, I must re-brand myself a conservative is as phony as chocolate covered deer dropppings. Mitt Romney is not real and genuine about anything other than saying whatever he needs to get elected.

31 posted on 01/07/2008 7:02:15 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: Ulysse
But i didn’t understand clearly why some HUNTER’s supporters claim that Fred THOMSON is NOT a conservative. I didn’t find their arguments! Probably they have no arguments....

In 1997 Fred Thompson voted to revoke China’s Most Favored Nation (MFN) trade status (S.Amdt. 890 to S. 955), then turned around in 1999 – after even more Chinese malfeasance was uncovered, some by Mr. Thompson himself – and voted in favor of MFN (S.J.Res. 27). Then, during the 2000 debate to give Bill Clinton his coveted Permanent Normal Trade Relations (PNTR) for the chicoms, Fred teamed with Robert Toricelli to put in a poison pill amendment (S.Amdt 4132 to HR 4444), tying trade to a series of weapons non proliferation standards. Despite the Jesse Helms-like posture and the subsequent failure of his amendment, Fred ended up voting for PNTR, amendment free, handing Clinton a huge victory at the expense of our national security.

He voted to grant amnesty to close to one million illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba in 1997 by giving legal status for those who had lived in the United States illegally since 1995, along with their spouses and minor unmarried children.

He voted against the Simpson Amendment to S.1664 that was in favor of a chain migration system that has been the primary reason for annual immigration levels snowballing from less than 300,000 in 1965 to around a million. Sen. Thompson supported provisions that allow immigrants to send for their adult relatives. Then each of those relatives can send for their and their spouse’s adult relatives, creating a never-ending and ever-growing chain. The bi-partisan Barbara Jordan Commission recommended doing away with the adult relative categories (begun only in the 1950s) in order to lessen wage depression among lower-paid American workers.

Before the Senate passed the H-1B doubling bill (S.1723), Sen. Thompson had an opportunity to vote for a measure requiring U.S. firms to check a box on a form attesting that they had first sought an American worker for the job. Sen. Thompson voted against that, joining those who said the requirement would give government too much authority over corporations’ right to hire whomever they please from whatever country.

Thompson supported Roe vs. Wade in the 90’s. Thompson said he supports the Supreme Court’s Roe vs. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion. Source: the Memphis Commercial Appeal on July 29, 1993 page B1.

In an October 21, 1994 article, The Washington Post reported that “both” Thompson and his Democratic opponent in the 1994 Senate race, then-Rep. Jim Cooper, “believe in legal abortion.”

Thompson spoke on the Senate floor on April 23, 2002 in support legislation that stated global warming was due to human intervention. Per Title X:

SEC. 1001. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON GLOBAL WARMING.

(a) FINDINGS.
The Congress makes the following findings:

(1) Evidence continues to build that increases in atmospheric concentrations of man-made greenhouse gases are contributing to global climate change.
32 posted on 01/07/2008 7:02:18 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: P-Marlowe
It seems at least one standard reply from Mitt supporters to 'evidence' like this is something like "you have to go back to 1994 or 2002 to come up with this. He's changed."

As a Christian, I'm all for conversions but I am going to be skeptical if someone changes - 1) a large number of previously held opinions seemingly all at once, and 2) goes from strong, bed-rock support of one thing and is now saying the exact opposite. The other thing that causes me concern about Mitt is the robotic answers. He learns lines to say and recites them like an actor. This Boy Scout answer is a classic example.

A Huckabee contribution of value was his one-liner about conversions: “Conversions are supposed to be made on the road to Damascus, not just the road to Des Moines.”

33 posted on 01/07/2008 7:04:03 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: FreedomProtector
chocolate covered deer dropppings.

Rotflol! What an image!

My little mini-farm here has lots of the major ingredient. Now I just need the chocolate.

Will send to Romney Campaign HQ. :>)

34 posted on 01/07/2008 7:05:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

ten year political career? He was governor for only four years. Why isn’t Romney allowed to change his mind on abortion rights?


35 posted on 01/07/2008 7:08:40 AM PST by fabian
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To: xzins

What I have been saying all along (nor do I trust this guy to be a core conservative on issues that matter if he gets the chance to be in the white house) becuase of his lack of stance on all kinds of issues. Mitt Romney is Kerryesque to me?? Is flip-flopping a MA thing? Maybe some of you can tell me..?


36 posted on 01/07/2008 7:10:17 AM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: rightazrain

“He also wrote a letter to the Log Cabin Republicans stating he was FOR gays serving in the military.”

Do you have a link to that letter?


37 posted on 01/07/2008 7:12:46 AM PST by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Servant of the Cross; P-Marlowe

I look at it like this.

I award points for categories like abortion, gay agenda, etc.

You get 10 points for being a consistent conservative.

Romney is questionable throughout the vast majority of his career. While Giuliani would get zero points in that category, I would award Romney 1.

On abortion, Hunter gets 10, Thompson gets 8, McCain gets 6, Huckabee gets 10, Keyes gets 10, Paul gets 8, Giuliani gets 0, and Romney gets 1.

This way he gets points for conversion.


38 posted on 01/07/2008 7:14:16 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: HerrBlucher

Me thinks some may be ‘paid’..


39 posted on 01/07/2008 7:17:26 AM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: xzins

williard is not even close to being Conservative!

LLS


40 posted on 01/07/2008 7:20:15 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: fabian

See #38


41 posted on 01/07/2008 7:21:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Leisler

Exactly, not under my support (I’ll vote Constitutionalist first)!


42 posted on 01/07/2008 7:22:37 AM PST by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: xzins; Servant of the Cross
Romney gets 1. This way he gets points for conversion.

Should we award points to a chameleon simply because he changes colors to mask what he really is?

He's not a convert to anything. He will say whatever it takes to get elected. He has no political compass. He is driven only by ambition.

Romney gets a 0 on everything.

43 posted on 01/07/2008 7:24:18 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: elfman2
This is at the website massresistance.org

Log Cabin letter

44 posted on 01/07/2008 7:26:02 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: P-Marlowe; Servant of the Cross
When you add up all the categories he's still well on the liberal side.

Did you see my matrix the other day?

45 posted on 01/07/2008 7:27:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: Man50D

Just 2 points when ni am not american but an european(french) “conservative”.
1/Illegal alliens FROM CUBA and NICARAGUA in 1997 were not the same illegal aliens you have today...Seems that Fred was right on that point
2/About the right for abortion.As christian myself(catholic education)i don’t think one can completly ban abortion shamefully.The first big job would be on education and the fight against moral relativism...


46 posted on 01/07/2008 7:30:12 AM PST by Ulysse (fides quaerans intellectum)
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To: elfman2; rightazrain
Gay Republicans air anti-Romney ad

So much for that Log Cabin endorsement.

47 posted on 01/07/2008 7:30:43 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: Ulysse
"But i didn’t understand clearly why some HUNTER’s supporters claim that Fred THOMSON is NOT a conservative."

There are no such things as "narrow minded" conservatives (fake ones) and "sensible intelligent" conservatives (the true one). There are only conservatives, semi-conservatives, non-conservatives.

I assume by your term "sensible intelligent conservatives" you would lump yourself in that category - no comment.

There are may others that are attempting to hijack the term "conservative" and as in pc America, that is done everywhere.

The so-called "sensible intelligent" conservatives are also called "pragmatic" and mean "since we can't get the votes on conservative ideas, let's split the difference with liberals.

That, my friend is NOT conservative, that is cowardice in the face of the enemy -- and liberalism is the enemy, make no mistake here.

Liberals are out to destroy the U.S., one election at a time!

Out of the bunch, Thompson's record is NOT conservative but does come much closer than the ones on stage last night and Sunday night, since Duncan Hunter was disallowed (why should any candidate be silenced - unless the media doesn't want the American electorate to learn of them and their ideas.

Thompson's own record in the U.S. Senate was NOT conservative but was MORE conservative than John McCain, who is a pro-life, pro-military (sometimes) LIBERAL!

You may speek of "sensible" and "intelligent" as others speak of "pragmatic" but these are code words for giving liberals half of what they want. They love it because today it's half, tomorrow the other half or at least one-third, and before long - it's the whole thing.

Why do you think that they have small splinter groups called "Baby Steps?" Those groups work to attain liberalism one bite at a time.

Sorry to completely disagree with you here in this friendly forum.

It would appear that you have chosen your candidate and regardless of the facts, prefer to call him a "conservative" - more conservative than others in front of the cameras, yes but has voted with liberals on McCain Feingold and not toally against illegal alien hires by corporationos.

48 posted on 01/07/2008 7:36:26 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: xzins

Answer: Yes.


49 posted on 01/07/2008 7:37:37 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: P-Marlowe
His father, George Romney, was CEO of American Motors, was governor of Michigan, and even ran for President, but interestingly was born in Mexico. I guess a little technicality like the Constitution is not going to get in the way of a Romney who is bent on becoming president.

You can be born in another country and still an American citizen if both parents are American citizens. As in the case of Army brats, for example.

50 posted on 01/07/2008 7:38:23 AM PST by Jack Black
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