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To: xzins

>There’s no way that I want a guy who believes in abortion, gun control, the gay agenda, gays in our military, and illegal amnesty to be in charge of the country

Well, first Romney does not have a track record of favoring the illegal alien situation. So knock that off the list. And Romney’s personal beliefs are opposed to abortion (always have been), as well as disfavoring homosexual activities. What is at issue is whether he believes it legal to discriminate against gays.

Romney has never broken a campaign promise. So he seems like he’s a man who can be trusted. If he had a track record of saying one thing and doing another, I would share your concern.

188 posted on 01/08/2008 7:33:47 AM PST by tortdog
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To: tortdog

He has supported amnesty. He has supported the gay agenda (and still does.) He has a huge history of support for abortion. (And I don’t believe a politician who says, “Well...personally, I don’t like it BUT...”)

Romney is a radical social liberal. I have all the cites to prove it to a reasonable conservative.

189 posted on 01/08/2008 7:38:06 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: tortdog

TORT: “If he had a track record of saying one thing and doing another, I would share your concern.”

How about if he had a record of saying things that are so easily and demonstrably false?

Which indicates either a willingness to knowingly lie, or a compulsive personality disorder. Not sure which would be worse in a man with the power of the presidency.

Here’s the record...

The Myths of Mitt Romney
“Making it up as he goes along”

MANCHESTER UNION LEADER: “Last week Romney was reduced to debating what the meaning of ‘saw’ is. It was only the latest in a string of demonstrably false claims — he’d been a hunter ‘pretty much’ all his life, he’d had the NRA’s endorsement, he marched with Martin Luther King Jr. himself — that call into question the veracity of his justifications for switching sides on immigration, abortion, taxes and his affection for Ronald Reagan. In this primary, the more Mitt Romney speaks, the less believable he becomes.”

BOSTON GLOBE: “(Romney) ended the week trying to explain a discrepancy between assertion and fact... It hurt because it’s a reminder of discrepancies between assertion and fact when it comes to Romney’s overall conservative credentials.”

EYE ON 08.COM: “This is important because it goes to character. Romney struggles to tell the truth and keep his story straight about basic facts about his own life. He also struggles to keep his story straight on issues like abortion, gay rights, taxes, guns... It is clear what Romney is doing. He is just making it up as he goes along. He is making himself up as he goes along.”

Romney said his father marched
with Martin Luther King. He didn’t.

BOSTON GLOBE: “Mitt Romney acknowledged yesterday that he never saw his father march with Martin Luther King, Jr. as he asserted in a nationally televised speech this month.”

Romney said he marched with
Martin Luther King. He didn’t.

BOSTON GLOBE: “Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald. Talking about...racial discrimination, he said: ‘My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit.’ Yesterday, Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true. ‘Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King,’ he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.”

Romney said his devoutly religious mother
campaigned for abortion rights. She didn’t.

BOSTON GLOBE: “(Former Michigan Republican Party chairwoman Elly) Peterson is dumbfounded to hear that Mitt Romney has described his mother as having been an abortion rights supporter during (her 1970 U.S. Senate) campaign. ‘If it happened, I’d remember it,’ she said in a telephone interview. ‘It didn’t, and I don’t.’ ...Lenore Romney’s campaign stance is relevant only because her son...raised it in 1994 during a debate with Senator Edward M. Kennedy, and he has been sending mixed signals on abortion ever since. ‘I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country,’ he said in 1994. ‘I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate.’ ...Detroit Free Press archives yielded no (Lenore Romney) campaign references to abortion...’The idea that Lenore would defy her church is hard to believe,’ Peterson said.”

Romney said: “I wasn’t pro-choice.”
Romney said: “I was pro-choice.”
Which is it, Mitt?

FOX NEWS SUNDAY: “I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word ‘pro-choice,’ because I didn’t feel I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn’t pro-choice.”,2933,293017,00.html

ASSOCIATED PRESS: “I think I’ve made it very clear. I was pro-choice, or effectively pro-choice, when I ran in 1994 (and 2002).”

Romney said he was endorsed by the
National Rifle Association. He wasn’t.

WASHINGTON POST: “Under Russert’s grilling about guns on this morning’s ‘Meet the Press,’ former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney claimed an endorsement he’d never won. ...’I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. ...I told you what my position was, and what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA.’ The problem? He was never endorsed by the NRA ... ‘The NRA did not endorse in the 2002 campaign,’ said (Romney campaign) spokesman Kevin Madden, when asked about Romney’s comments.”

Romney said: “I have a gun
of my own.” He doesn’t.

BOSTON GLOBE: “’I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I’m a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms,’ Romney said. Asked by reporters at the gun show Friday whether he personally owned the gun, Romney said he did not.”

Romney said he’s been a hunter “all
my life.” Twice. Once every forty years.

BOSTON GLOBE: “This week in Keene, N.H., Romney told a man in an NRA hat that he had ‘been a hunter pretty much all of my life,’ the Associated Press reported. The Romney campaign later acknowledged that Romney, 60, hunted one summer as a teenager and once in his late 50’s.”

ASSOCIATED PRESS: “Officials in the four states where Mitt Romney has lived say the Republican presidential contender, who calls himself a lifelong hunter, never took out a license.”

212 posted on 01/08/2008 9:02:44 PM PST by AFA-Michigan
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