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To: MrEdd
Eliminating age of consent laws that forbid adults having sex with children.

Sorry you didn't know the answer to our question, or understand that people other than yourself, apparently, consider this unacceptable under any circumstance.

Thank you for playing, don't come back tomorrow.

Before we continue you mind taking a dump so that you refrain from attributing things to me that are false? Provide citations to your absurd assertations preferrably from sources other than the Romney-deranged MassResistance.

75 posted on 01/07/2008 8:41:32 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: BufordP
None of my material came from MassResistance.

Log Cabin Republicans are politically and financially alligned with StonewallVets.

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by David Thorstad

The speeches that Harry Hay made at meetings in New York City, San Francisco, and Los Angeles in the 1980s and in New York in June 1994 during Stonewall 25, the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Stonewall Riots that launched the modern-day gay liberation movement, are published here for the first time.

Harry, founder in 1950 of the first American gay group to survive, the Mattachine Society, cofounder of the Gay Liberation Front, Southern California chapter, in 1969, cofounder of the Radical Faeries in 1979, father of the U.S. gay movement, and grandfatherly icon of gay liberation, died on October 24, 2002, at the age of ninety.  Harry was a vocal and courageous supporter of NAMBLA and intergenerational sexual relationships, though since his death many of the assimilationists in the gay and lesbian movement, including its most prominent organizations, have already sought to erase that part of his radicalism (not to mention his Communist roots and vocal critiques of their own accommodationist approach to the powers that be).  In order to bring truth to the record, I have transcribed these comments.

I first met Harry in early 1983, at the time of the first of these speeches.  I was introduced to him and his lovely—I almost said saintly—companion, John Burnside, a lovable gay man if ever there was one, by lesbian activist, self-professed witch, and sometime weed partner Katherine Davenport, a mutual friend and journalist for the New York Native.  I knew about Harry’s past as a Communist and labor activist, as well as the central role he had played in efforts to launch a gay movement in the dreary, conformist 1950s—a time when homosexuality was still totally medicalized as a sickness or excoriated as a satanic perversion.  I also knew that he had developed a philosophy of same-sex love that seemed inspired by the writings of Edward Carpenter, though without the explicit “intermediate sex” or “third sex” baggage, yet retaining a hint of the idea that gay men were destined to lead society to a higher level of sexual freedom and social justice.

When I was president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance in 1975, we received a letter from Harry from Taos, where he was then living, in which he expounded his ideas, with lots of capital letters and, to me, rather strange formulations.  I was excited, because I hadn’t realized that he was still alive, since he had remained largely silent so far as gay issues were concerned since he was driven out of Mattachine for his radicalism.  So when I met him in 1983, I prepared a lavish turkey dinner for him, John, and Katherine.

From then on, I considered him a friend.  I was lucky to have spent more time with him than I could have hoped for, yet far less than I would have liked—at Phil Willkie’s Wisconsin cabin and his St. Paul apartment; at the Stonewall 25 demonstration in New York in 1994, where Harry and John, as well as the late Jim Kepner (another early member of the Mattachine Society and a gay archivist) marched with the Spirit of Stonewall contingent that included NAMBLA; and at the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) conference in New York that same week, which expelled NAMBLA (despite Harry’s vocal protests and subsequent disgust) under pressure from U.S. Senator Jesse Helms, the Clinton administration, gay congressman Barney Frank, and the gay and lesbian assimilationist organizations; at his and John’s apartment in San Francisco; at a Faerie event in Stuyvesant Square Park in New York; at several NAMBLA conferences…

When I learned last September that Harry had inoperable cancer and only weeks to live, I wrote him a card that ended with a thought that expresses an appreciation for his life that I am sure many others would share: “You are leaving the world an unforgettable legacy, and will be an eternal part of our gay Pantheon, along with Ulrichs, Carpenter, and Whitman.”

Of course, Harry stood for much more than the comments published here.  But these views were also important to him, as his moving expressions of love for Matt, the man in his life as a boy, make clear.  Wherever he is, I thank him for them, and offer them to posterity.

     —David Thorstad.

Copyright © NAMBLA, 2003. All rights reserved.

78 posted on 01/07/2008 8:50:32 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: BufordP; Calpernia; wagglebee; little jeremiah
Romney in his own words

Your pretense that you didn't know NAMBLA espouses elimination of age of consent laws now sets you up to pretend that you don't know that parents, boys, and scoutmasters are all members of the boy scouts, or that litigation between a homosexual man and the boy scouts was the framework in which this question was asked. there are lots of things in print running around the net. You have shown that you will reject those who disparage Romney for this, no matter how well documented they may be.

Go ahead and show me how brilliantly you can prove Mitt never said what we heard him say. How it didn't matter, or how he didn't mean it, or how it isn't important.

Show us again with your outrage. I'm siding with the children.

Perhaps you can lash out at me for pinging in people who take the same side I do. Of course, a little viewing of the history of those pinged will show that they, like myself, have been advocates for children and opponents of the NAMBLA agenda during their whole history on Free Republic, and that this isn't just something that came up now that Mitt is running for the presidency. We have all (in general) been all over Mitt and Rudy on this issue as we are all over others who put children at the mercy of rapacious adults since long before we came to free republic.

Your desire to play politics with children, Buford, nauseates us. It isn't just about this election. It is about little people who are just beginning life, who matter and who deserve to be cared for. Grow up.

81 posted on 01/07/2008 9:10:25 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck is the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aren't going.)
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