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The Paleocon Dilemma... Ron Paul campaign illustrates the choices facing the antiwar Right
The American Conservative ^ | January 14, 2008 | by W. James Antle III

Posted on 01/07/2008 3:30:07 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Ron Paul isn’t just running for president. The antiwar 10-term congressman from Texas hopes that as titular head of the Republican Party, he can nudge the Right in a less interventionist direction, both at home and abroad. In fact, reviving an older, less reflexively hawkish conservatism may even be a more important motivation for Paul’s long-shot campaign than actually capturing the GOP nomination.

There’s just one problem: the movement Paul is trying to lead, or at least influence, is filled with people who think he is some kind of crazed left-wing radical. The popular conservative website RedState.com has effectively banned Paul supporters from signing up as commenters and promoting their candidate, partly on the grounds that such people are liberal Democrats merely pretending to be Republicans. FreeRepublic.com founder Jim Robinson, whose website was once more open to constitutionalists than Republican boosters, asserted that “Paul equals Hillary on the War.” National Review senior editor Richard Brookhiser has opined that Paul backers are “wicked idiots.”

Syndicated columnist Mona Charen dubbed Paul a “kook,” saying that although he shouldn’t be president, “[h]e might make a dandy new leader for the Branch Davidians.” Dean Barnett of The Weekly Standard devoted a similar piece to taunts along these lines, calling Paul the “crank-in-chief” and “undisputed owner of the “‘Don’t tase me bro’ vote.” Averring that “Crazy people love to have a cause,” Barnett observes that “America’s lunatics” have “taken such a shine to the formerly obscure Ron Paul”—since all Paul really wants is to “wear a powdered wig without being ridiculed in public.”

~~snip~~

The feeling is mutual.

(Excerpt) Read more at amconmag.com:80 ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amconmag; antiwarright; elections; paleocons; ronpaul

1 posted on 01/07/2008 3:30:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
"The antiwar 10-term congressman from Texas..."

As a Texan, I'm embarrassed to associate Ron Paul with Texas.

2 posted on 01/07/2008 3:34:12 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul 08' - Cult of the Insane)
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To: Jim Robinson

I always thought Ron Paul’s unusually high poll numbers were because of leftist crossover. But for some reason, none of the MSM (to include Fox News) ever seemed to figure it out, instead choosing to dismiss the numbers without any explanation as to why. Well now we know why...Ron Paul is attracting the anti-war left, the vast majority of whom will switch back over when it comes time to vote.


3 posted on 01/07/2008 3:34:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Hemorrhage; Allegra; Petronski; ejonesie22; BlackElk; elhombrelibre; dighton; mnehrling; ...

...ping


4 posted on 01/07/2008 3:35:18 PM PST by lormand (Ron Paul 08' - Cult of the Insane)
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To: lormand
Barnett observes that “America’s lunatics” have “taken such a shine to the formerly obscure Ron Paul”—since all Paul really wants is to “wear a powdered wig without being ridiculed in public.”

Now that's an image that amuses me. Anyone have Photoshop ability to do it justice?

5 posted on 01/07/2008 3:40:02 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: GodGunsGuts; lormand

Because most of his polls are skewed by his imbecilic following, spamming website polls in much the same manner as we do for 2nd amendment, etc polls.

And dittos, lormand.


6 posted on 01/07/2008 3:40:50 PM PST by TheZMan (Texas is no place for pansy-ass liberals. Ya'll move back to California er Mexico er somethin')
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To: Jim Robinson

He is not anti-war, RP is anti-defense of America.


7 posted on 01/07/2008 3:41:09 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I always thought Ron Paul’s unusually high poll numbers were because of leftist crossover.

And probably some crossdressers, too.

8 posted on 01/07/2008 3:41:24 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: Jim Robinson

There is already a party for the anti-war crowd to join - when I hear the term “paleoconservative”, I think more of a Duncan Hunter than that libertarian.


9 posted on 01/07/2008 3:46:13 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Jim Robinson
When not dismissing Paul as too far to the Left, his conservative critics allege that he has ties to unsavory elements of the far Right. Political journalist Ryan Sager, who has described Paul’s fundraising success and modest rise in the polls as a “crackpot revolution,” told New York Sun readers, “it’s also worth noting that [Paul is] pretty racist and also an anti-Semite.” Ron Rosenbaum, writing on his blog for Pajamas Media, said that Paul might not be an anti-Semite, but “some of his followers exhibit some disturbing tendencies.”

It's a mistake to assume that all "dangerous kooks" are racists or anti-Semites. Some are, maybe the most dangerous ones. But someone can be a nut -- and dangerous -- without having those kinds of prejudices. I'd say Ron Paul is just that: a nut whose nuttiness could have disastrous consequences. Painting him as a bigot as well is overkill that will backfire.

10 posted on 01/07/2008 3:46:56 PM PST by x
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To: bcsco

LOL...Ron Paul’s base is a bunch of crossdressing crossover voters who will cross back over still crossly dressed :o)


11 posted on 01/07/2008 3:48:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jim Robinson
Ron really strikes a chord with those who fancy themselves as defenders of the doctrine of nonintervention. As the world has shrunk, it has come to the place that we all essentially live on the same block. 09/11 proves the case very well, that we simply cannot ignore what takes place in other parts of the world, because what takes place there will impact us sooner rather than later.

Pat Buchanan would make a very good fit for the Paul ticket. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see a Paul/Buchanan 2008 ticket. I wouldn’t be surprise not to see it either, but these men do seem to have quite a bit in common.

Paul will not get the RP nomination. It would be interesting to know what is bouncing around inside his head though. Does he see visions of sugar plum fairies and third party queries? I wouldn’t count it out.

Ron and those who consider themselves to be staunch conservatives, based on the non-interventionist doctrine, sure don’t see the world in the same light that I do. It’s fair for them to think that I have ventured off the conservative reservation. It’s fair for me to think they’ve ventured into a separate solar system too.

And I do.

12 posted on 01/07/2008 3:50:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: GodGunsGuts
LOL...Ron Paul’s base is a bunch of crossdressing crossover voters who will cross back over still crossly dressed :o)

Well said, and with only two "T's" to cross.

But you do come across as a little cross about all this crass crossover stuff.

13 posted on 01/07/2008 3:52:41 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh no, even Paddy Buchanan can’t bring himself to endorse Ron Paul so far.


14 posted on 01/07/2008 3:54:54 PM PST by Baladas
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To: Jim Robinson; ElkGroveDan
the movement Paul is trying to lead, or at least influence, is filled with people who think he is some kind of crazed left-wing radical.

Dog, meet your fleas?

15 posted on 01/07/2008 3:59:01 PM PST by SmithL (Fred!)
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To: Baladas

I wonder why not. They both have the aversion to our efforts in Iraq. Perhaps Paul’s border policy doesn’t gel with Pat.


16 posted on 01/07/2008 3:59:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"I always thought Ron Paul’s unusually high poll numbers were because of leftist crossover."

Possibly; but other than his stand on the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., he does offer an attractive "right-wing" message regarding the desirable size and powers of the federal government. For many that are violently opposed to the present state of our federal govt., this could sway opinions regardless of his stance on such issues as the war.

17 posted on 01/07/2008 4:00:15 PM PST by Nova
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To: bcsco

If I seem crass about the crossdressing crossovers it’s because Ron Paul has allowed himself to become a crass crossing guard for the crisscrossing left.


18 posted on 01/07/2008 4:01:41 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jim Robinson

Bump


19 posted on 01/07/2008 4:04:22 PM PST by mnehring
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To: SmithL

LOL, yeah perfect.


20 posted on 01/07/2008 4:09:41 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You’ve hit on the crux of the crass crossdressers and crisscrossing crossing guards. And it’s their crassroots crush for RP that’s driven his crazy poll numbers.


21 posted on 01/07/2008 4:10:05 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: lormand
As a Texan, I'm embarrassed to associate Ron Paul with Texas.

Speaking of Texans, this one is priceless:

Syndicated columnist Mona Charen dubbed Paul a “kook,” saying that although he shouldn’t be president, “[h]e might make a dandy new leader for the Branch Davidians.”

FWIW, I know Texas like the back of my hand, and the oddest Texans I ever met were in Abilene.

22 posted on 01/07/2008 4:11:49 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of all the politics in politics.)
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To: lormand
There is no such thing as an antiwar right. It's just traitors and Americans. I choose the Americans.
23 posted on 01/07/2008 4:20:04 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I suspect that Paul is a member of the John Birch Society as Buchanan is. My father, in the 50’s, almost joined this society as a conservative alternative to the Democrats until he realized what a racist, anti-semitic group they are. If you read his comments, they are very similar to Buchanan’s.


24 posted on 01/07/2008 4:25:19 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Ukiapah Heep

Paul is a parasite. He has asked voters for support many times nationally, and never got very far. It is time for conservatives and Republicans to cut him out. The “people” aren’t buying that which he is selling. What ever happened to the Libertarian Party?


25 posted on 01/07/2008 4:35:28 PM PST by abenaki
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To: Jim Robinson

I visit some financial forums that for some reason are full of leftist loons, and Ron Paul is very popular with them.

He’s right in there next to Riverbend’s Baghdad Burning.


26 posted on 01/07/2008 4:58:10 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lormand
Nice to know we are in good company...


27 posted on 01/07/2008 7:54:32 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Jim Robinson

Syndicated columnist Mona Charen dubbed Paul a “kook,” saying that although he shouldn’t be president, “[h]e might make a dandy new leader for the Branch Davidians.

Whether you support Ron Paul or not, it is a disgrace that the founder of FreeRepublic would quote someone who mocks the murder of children for political purposes. This kind of filth belongs on DailyKos or DemocraticUnderground.


28 posted on 01/08/2008 5:07:47 AM PST by TaxachusettsTom
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