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Zogby: Ron Paul Tied For 4rd In New Hampshire
donklephant ^ | 1/8/08 | Justin Gardner

Posted on 01/08/2008 12:26:45 PM PST by tmp02

Well, one poll shows he could do just that and finish in a 3-way tie with Huckabee and Giuliani for the 3rd spot. That would be huge.

The reason? Independents love him in New Hampshire. Maybe even more than they loved him in Iowa.

From Zogby:

McCain opens up his lead, though Romney had a good day. But the 3-day average favors McCain. He leads big among Independents, though Paul is beginning to draw some of the Indies’ support and is now polling double digits again in the North – taking votes away from McCain. Paul does very well among 18-29 year olds.

Firebrand Republican Congressman Ron Paul, the only GOP presidential candidate opposing the war in Iraq, also made big gains in the closing day of the campaign before the primary election. In both the Republican and Democratic races, five percent of likely voters said they remained undecided about whom they would support.

Here’s more from CNN:

He wound up with about 10 percent in Iowa. Will he do the same tonight? He may be a Republican candidate but he clearly appeals to independents — and some Democrats as well. Will he take votes from other candidates who appeal to independents, especially John McCain and Barack Obama? We shall soon find out.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: antiwar; iraq; kkk; neonazis; nh2008; paulbearers; paulestinians; ronpaul; rontards; scampi
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1 posted on 01/08/2008 12:26:47 PM PST by tmp02
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To: tmp02
Paul, third?

This country has gone freakin' insane.

2 posted on 01/08/2008 12:28:54 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: tmp02

He’s really a libertarian who is just using the Republican Party.


3 posted on 01/08/2008 12:29:31 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: tmp02
That explains the hit-piece out on him in New Republic today.

He's becoming bigger than his liberal enablers intended him to become.
4 posted on 01/08/2008 12:30:24 PM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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To: processing please hold
The Dems whipped up the antiwar vote and then abandoned them as they all ran center for the election. Paul won big time from all that pent up anger and frustration.
5 posted on 01/08/2008 12:32:15 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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To: All

I rather have Paul finish third in NH than McAmnesty finish first.

Wonder how many Indy voters Paul will take from McAmnesty?

This is setting up to be a bad day for McAmnesty. Much to the dismay of the MSM


6 posted on 01/08/2008 12:33:16 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Got Delegates? Hunter does)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Based on what we’ve learned about Ron Paul throughout the last several months, I’d take great offense to that if I were a libertarian ;)


7 posted on 01/08/2008 12:34:00 PM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I think Paul will not take many independent voters from McQueeg because of the war issue—they’re polar opposites on it. A pro-war independent is not going to vote for the anti-war Paul, and an anti-war independent is not going to vote for the pro-war Washington insider McQueeg. I can’t see their respective voter pools having much of an intersection.

}:-)4


8 posted on 01/08/2008 12:36:34 PM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: tmp02

Can’t have it both ways, although CNN would have you believe otherwise.

If its ‘record turn out’ and if ‘democrats have run out of ballots’ that bodes well for Obama, and probably Romney.

Obama is the ‘current favorite flavor’ like McCain was in 2000, with Independent voters. We’ve all seen the polling data on this, we’ve all seen the first wave of reports from New Hampshire.

If this is all true, then Independents are breaking for Obama in a BIG way. That means Hillary loses, by a large amount, as many expected after Iowa.

But conversely, those Independents breaking for Obama were the ‘base’ for John McCain in 2000. Without them, Bush would have won that primary in 2000.

CNN seems to be trying to have its cake and eat it too here. It can’t be both Obama is kicking ass with Independents AND John McCain is winning.


9 posted on 01/08/2008 12:36:38 PM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: processing please hold

Hopefully, the revelations of Paul’s anti-semetic and rascist rantings will remove him from public discourse.

Of course, the anti-war left probably likes the anti-Israel, anti-Jew stuff.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 12:37:05 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: processing please hold

LOL! The Spambots got to the voting booths!!!!


11 posted on 01/08/2008 12:37:50 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: processing please hold
44% of the NH electorate are independents.

Any antiwar independent can vote for Paul if they like.

If he were running third in a state with a closed primary, one could argue that the country has gone insane.

In reality, every nut in NH is voting for him, padding his numbers.

12 posted on 01/08/2008 12:39:45 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: processing please hold
This country has gone freakin' insane.

Maybe. But remember, this is New Hamshire. Do not think that Iowa and New Hampshire reflect how this country feels.

Paul should enjoy himself now, if he indeed ends up third. It is probably the last good news he gets this election cycle.

13 posted on 01/08/2008 12:40:29 PM PST by technomage (Radical Islam gives me the urge to go to the bathroom and drop a big mohammed!)
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To: wideawake

Remember that prediction thread, I’m going to be pretty close, I predicted Paul being high on the chart because of all the nutz in NH.


14 posted on 01/08/2008 12:40:40 PM PST by Scythian
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To: processing please hold

No I think the GOP has simply forgotten what they stood for and who supports them. Ron Paul is just a symptom.


15 posted on 01/08/2008 12:40:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Route66

Thank you. Their antiwar flip is costing them and putting a yoke around our neck. So, he’s attracting left, right and center voters now, huh.


16 posted on 01/08/2008 12:41:03 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; NapkinUser; DreamsofPolycarp; The_Eaglet; Irontank; ...

ping - prepare yourself for the typical insults and simple minded namecalling


17 posted on 01/08/2008 12:42:03 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: processing please hold
Liberal state, what do you expect. I wonder how he would do in San Francisco?
18 posted on 01/08/2008 12:44:02 PM PST by mnehring
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
He’s really a libertarian who is just using the Republican Party.

and republicans havent used conservatives ?

19 posted on 01/08/2008 12:44:04 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: MeanWestTexan

Yeah, there’s supposed to be article about all that on THR today. From the OP article:

“Well, one poll shows he could do just that and finish in a 3-way tie with Huckabee and Giuliani for the 3rd spot. That would be huge.”

That’s a 3-way tie for FIFTH place, and it’s only mathematically possible that all three would end up with the exact same number of votes.


20 posted on 01/08/2008 12:44:20 PM PST by Baladas
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To: MeanWestTexan
Of course, the anti-war left probably likes the anti-Israel, anti-Jew stuff.

Manna to them I'm sure. A bit ironic my comment is, but there it is. Our dear country has gone off the tracks when having antisemitism comments can garner a politician with a chance at the presidency. Oy Vey.

(i think that's how it's spelled)

21 posted on 01/08/2008 12:47:40 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: tmp02

The Fact that Ron Paul is surging in NH says all you need to know about the Moonbat primary.


22 posted on 01/08/2008 12:47:47 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: processing please hold

Paul has become the “anything you want him to be” candidate for those who feel they need one.


23 posted on 01/08/2008 12:48:34 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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To: Revelation 911

With the information from the exiting polls of Iowa, RP didn’t get one single liberal vote.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228177/

Did get some conservative votes, moderate, etc. Someone else posted these results on another FR thread.

Thanks for the ping.


24 posted on 01/08/2008 12:48:38 PM PST by rineaux (tagline on strike.)
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To: Moose4

Fox is doing a bio on McCain right now. Graduated 5th from the bottom of his class, but got special treatment because his father and grandfather were admirals.


25 posted on 01/08/2008 12:49:42 PM PST by Soliton (Somebody is the only true conservative!!!!!!!)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Sure looks like it.


26 posted on 01/08/2008 12:49:49 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: cripplecreek
No I think the GOP has simply forgotten what they stood for and who supports them. Ron Paul is just a symptom.

Exactly.

27 posted on 01/08/2008 12:49:58 PM PST by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: processing please hold

I like Ron Paul’s newsletter about how “THE JEWS” bought and sold Jesse Helms. Pffft.

http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc289/LSUfanFR/?action=view&current=Helms.jpg

I think I beat a guy like this up at Ft. Rucker.


28 posted on 01/08/2008 12:50:12 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Baladas
That’s a 3-way tie for FIFTH place,
Pretty sure that's incorrect.
29 posted on 01/08/2008 12:50:26 PM PST by refreshed
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To: mnehrling

Isn’t he anti-gay?


30 posted on 01/08/2008 12:50:52 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Moose4

I think Paul will not take many independent voters from McQueeg because of the war issue—they’re polar opposites on it. A pro-war independent is not going to vote for the anti-war Paul, and an anti-war independent is not going to vote for the pro-war Washington insider McQueeg. I can’t see their respective voter pools having much of an intersection.

}:-)4


Hmm Good point

I think they are actually both weak on the WOT. Paul wants to be friends with all the terrorist states, while McAmnesty wnats to open the border and give them Z visas

But I do understand your point....no crossover from McAmnesty to Paul


31 posted on 01/08/2008 12:51:49 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Got Delegates? Hunter does)
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To: processing please hold
I’m confused on that one. When asked about gay marriage he said the government shouldn’t be involved with marriage at all, it should be a church thing. I guess that is against gay marriage, but it is also anti-defense of marriage act.
32 posted on 01/08/2008 12:53:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Route66

Looks like he’s playing his part well. Unbelievable.


33 posted on 01/08/2008 12:53:45 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: tmp02

Why would anyone listen to a D pretending to be an R?


34 posted on 01/08/2008 12:54:12 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: ECM
I’d take great offense to that if I were a libertarian ;)

I do. But I'd still vote for Paul over Rudy McRomney. Hunter and Thompson are my first two choices with the Huckster being a DISTANT third (hold my nose) type candidate. Paul comes in forth on that scale because I think his foreign policy violates the Constitution and libertarian ethics.

If Ron ever learns that "non-initiation of force" does not mean "no force ever", then maybe he'd be more palatable. I see our actions in the ME right now as a defensive/retaliatory use of force.

35 posted on 01/08/2008 12:54:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: mnehrling

I thought I read somewhere where gays are against him. I guess he’ll not do well in San Fran then.


36 posted on 01/08/2008 12:55:45 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: refreshed

It would be a three-way tie for 3,4, 5.

Not gonna happen.


37 posted on 01/08/2008 12:56:21 PM PST by Baladas
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To: tmp02
Don't tell me Ron Paul is going to beat Rudy again??? Right after he beat Rudy in Iowa???

You can't make this stuff up!!!...lol

38 posted on 01/08/2008 12:56:38 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: tmp02

I’ve been expecting Paul at 15%, and surprised the polls haven’t shown that. Could still happen.


39 posted on 01/08/2008 12:57:34 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: MeanWestTexan

The Jooooooos. Why is it always the Jews? I’m so sick of hearing that. Well, the Jews and the US. We’re both blamed for all the ills of the world.


40 posted on 01/08/2008 12:59:04 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: JohnnyZ
Doesn't the "news" that the independents are voting in the Dem Primary hurt not only McCain, but also really hurt Paul?

I thought a huge part of his turn out was going to be the independents.

41 posted on 01/08/2008 1:00:22 PM PST by codercpc
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To: tmp02
Ron Paul is Magneto!
42 posted on 01/08/2008 1:01:50 PM PST by DM1
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To: tmp02

43 posted on 01/08/2008 1:01:59 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Head and proud of it! Fear the Fred!)
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To: tmp02

This can only be good for Romney. If McCain, Obama, and Ron Paul fight over independence than that leaves Romney. It might be the lowest first place win in history but it will still be a win. lol.


44 posted on 01/08/2008 1:03:05 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: MeanWestTexan; All

I thing that it is interesting that this piece on racist is just coming out when RP is capturing 3th in NH.


45 posted on 01/08/2008 1:05:36 PM PST by tmp02
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To: tmp02

http://www.zogby.com/

Factually in error. Paul is tied for 4th


46 posted on 01/08/2008 1:06:00 PM PST by MNJohnnie (If Republicans want to lose in a landslide, they should run John "Bob Dole Jr" McCain.)
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To: tmp02

I think a lot of the loonies that are “for” Ron Paul are confusing him with Pat Paulson (those who remember him running for President, too), and their silliness is about equal.


47 posted on 01/08/2008 1:06:34 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

He “uses” Republicans the way a pedophile “uses” children. Truly sad. You ought to see some of the Paulistas on the so-called “conservative” intellectual boards, like H-CONSERV. The anti-semitism can be cut with a knife.


48 posted on 01/08/2008 1:07:04 PM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: tmp02
Paul is barely tied for 4th and has been firmly in 5th place the rest of the last week. This blog posting is erroneous

http://www.zogby.com/

49 posted on 01/08/2008 1:07:33 PM PST by MNJohnnie (If Republicans want to lose in a landslide, they should run John "Bob Dole Jr" McCain.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Maybe you oughta drop these guys a line to let them in on Ron Paul’s anti-semitism.

http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/


50 posted on 01/08/2008 1:07:41 PM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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