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The plots thicken: As Roe v. Wade turns 35, some in Hollywood changing minds about "choice."
WORLD ^ | January 12, 2008 | Lynn Vincent

Posted on 01/08/2008 1:27:00 PM PST by rhema

In the movie Knocked Up, blond-and-beautiful television producer Alison is tapped for her on-air dream job, but while celebrating she gets pregnant during a one-night stand. She decides not only to keep the baby but also to build a relationship with the father.

In Bella, a soccer star's life is upended when he kills a young girl in a traffic accident. Realizing a new reverence for life, he convinces a friend to carry her unplanned pregnancy to term.

In Noelle, a priest whose job is to shut down ailing parishes encourages an unmarried woman to keep her baby, the fruit of a liaison with the arrogant heir of a wealthy family.

In the comedy Juno, the title character, a pregnant teenager, decides to carry to term and place her child for adoption—because a pro-life teen picketing the abortion clinic where Juno had gone to terminate her pregnancy points out that Juno's baby already has fingernails. The film is nominated for a Golden Globe Award.

Has Hollywood tilted off its reliably pro-abortion axis? With the 2007 debut of these films, has the American abortion debate finally reached a tipping point, where more art now imitates pro-life?

Yes, says Steve McEveety, producer of Braveheart and executive producer of Bella and The Passion of the Christ. He believes moviegoers will see "a lot more films" with an underlying reverence for the unborn "and a lot more pro-life people coming into the film industry based on pure logic."

McEveety is among those working in Hollywood who say a subtle cultural shift, one that also reaches into television, is underway. Some peg the change to ultrasound technology, others to a changing of the guard among filmmakers. But all agree that Hollywood has awakened to this fact: Abortion is not only unarguably un-sexy, but also un-heroic. And without sex and heroes, Hollywood would have few bankable stories to tell.

The New York Times in June raised an alarm about the pro-life current threading through recent hit films. In a story headlined, "On Abortion, Hollywood is No-Choice," writer Mireya Navarro maintained that since data from federal surveys show that nearly two-thirds of unwanted pregnancies end in abortion, then Hollywood's rash of films showing unexpectedly pregnant women keeping their babies is a sign the movie industry is going out of its way to sidestep real life.

In the 2007 hit indie film Waitress, for example, the lead character Jenna (Keri Russell) is about to leave her abusive husband when she learns she is pregnant. Jenna is "more likely to ponder selling the baby than to consider having" an abortion, Navarro pointed out. In Knocked Up, television producer Alison "is torn over whether to keep the man, not the baby," and the closest anyone comes to uttering the A-word is to say, "it rhymes with 'smashtortion.'"

But are such films avoiding reality?

No, said screenwriter and Biola University film professor Michael Gonzales. Despite attempts by Planned Parenthood and other pro-abortion groups to depict abortion as no more uncommon or morally fraught than having a tooth pulled, filmmakers realize that even after 35 years of legality, abortion has not shed its "ick" factor.

"To make a movie on abortion is just not sexy," Gonzales said. "To hear Meg Ryan, for example, say at a party, 'Oh, I really want to do this abortion movie'—people would just kind of shriek inside. They kind of shudder."

Further, from a dramatic standpoint, abortion not only makes it difficult to create a sympathetic character; it also ends the story. "You might deal with the aftermath, the psychological trauma the character has to go through," Gonzales said, "but that's a story nobody wants to hear."

Paradoxically, Hollywood—with its stock in trade the kind of sex that leads to unplanned pregnancy—may be subtly turning away from the easy fix. Instead, in movies like Knocked Up, twentysomething, party-animal anti-heroes like Ben (Seth Rogen) are stepping up to meet their responsibilities as new parents. And though Knocked Up is a coarse, profanity-filled film, it may affect its Gen-X and Millennial target audience in ways that reach beyond cheap laughs.

"Stories work in society by putting in front of us better than the real—ideal choices that shame us about the choices we really make," said screenwriter Barbara Nicolosi, chairman of Act One, a group that trains Christians for the film industry. "Audiences bond to the heroic choices made by the main character."

That seems to be the case with Juno, the film in which a spunky teen (Golden Globe nominee Ellen Page) changes her mind about abortion after hearing about her baby's fingernails. Inside the clinic, as Juno fills out the necessary forms, she suddenly becomes conscious of all the women waiting with her—nervously tapping their nails, clicking their nails, biting their nails. As the disparate sounds gel into a kind of heartbeat, Juno suddenly realizes her fetus is a human being.

When she bursts out of the clinic, a teen pro-life picketer outside cries, "God appreciates your miracle!" Astonishingly, the pivotal, life-affirming moment passes without a flicker of condescension.

"Even if what Juno is showing is 'unrealistic' according to The New York Times," said Nicolosi, "the movie is saying the character's choice is heroic, and audiences are responding by saying, yes, it is heroic. And if you're a 16-year-old girl watching the movie, it shows you a different 'choice.'"

Even liberal critics are heaping kudos on the film. KPBS called Juno "a gift every film lover should want this holiday season." The Los Angeles Times dubbed it "poignant and unexpected." Even Rolling Stone praised the movie for taking "the girl view by letting teenage Juno . . . bypass a hasty abortion in favor of having the baby."

Steve McEveety half-jokes that Hollywood's slow shift toward life is all Quentin Tarantino's fault.

In Kill Bill: Vol. 2, Tarantino's 2004 installment in a two-part bloodbath, two female assassins wind up stalking each other. "There's this scene where one of the hit women just found out she's pregnant," McEveety said. "The other hit woman . . . decides not to kill her because she would be killing two people. Nobody got it except for the young kids who saw the film. That's the next generation of filmmakers."

Those would-be filmmakers—and many already making movies—are influenced heavily by ultrasound technology, said McEveety, a Roman Catholic who is very vocal about his own pro-life views: "You can go on the internet now and find video of a 24-day-old baby and see the heart beating. Technology is catching up to the lies. You can't dispute the images."

Nicolosi agrees. "These filmmakers are people who grew up with ultrasound pictures on the refrigerator," she said. "And they're saying, you know what? I've got eyes to see. Don't try to tell me that's not a baby."

At a Feminists for Life event at UCLA, keynote speaker and actress Patricia Heaton asked the crowd of about 100 how many were pro-life and how many were pro-choice. A show of hands revealed a mixed group, but heavy on pro-life views. Heaton then asked a pro-life member of the audience to explain why she held that view.

"I don't want to judge my parents because they did what was right for them," said one young woman. "But I've grown up knowing that they aborted two of my siblings. I've grown up my whole life wondering if they were glad they kept me."

Like that young woman, many of today's filmmakers grew up ravaged both by the divorce culture and the promises of the sexual revolution, Nicolosi said: "The pro-life themes in their films aren't political statements—they're cultural statements. Gen-X and Millennial filmmakers understand that an abortion most often means mom just didn't want to be inconvenienced, in the same way she just didn't want to stay married to dad."

It's possible to argue that Hollywood's startling new egalitarianism on abortion started on the small screen then leapt to the large. While some shows, like Law & Order, have in recent years painted pro-life activists as murderous vigilantes, others have been more fair. On CSI Miami in October 2002, for example, lead character Horatio Caine (David Caruso) watches a technician remove an early-term fetus from its mother's womb following a car crash: "Not just skin cells, is it?" Caine says.

HBO's Six Feet Under in a July 2003 episode had main character Claire terminating her pregnancy at a local abortion clinic. Producers of the episode portrayed the clinic as a sterile, unfriendly place, running women through like cattle at a slaughterhouse. Still, Claire moved through the scenes emotionally detached. After the procedure, a friend drove her home to recover and that was that. But a later episode mirrored real life: Though Claire, like many women, experienced mainly relief in the immediate wake of her abortion, a breakdown followed. Asked to babysit her infant niece, she becomes ill. Then she has a dream in which she meets her aborted child in heaven.

House dealt with abortion twice in 2007. At first the rude, unsentimental, yet somehow lovable Dr. Gregory House (Hugh Laurie) sticks to his pro-abortion guns. In a Jan. 20 episode, House advises a rape victim to "terminate" the resulting pregnancy.

"Abortion is murder!" the young woman objects.

"True, it's a life," he replies: "And you should end it."

Later in the conversation, the woman says of abortion, "It's murder—I'm against it . . . You for it?"

"Not as a general rule," he says, referring to murder.

She presses him, "Just for unborn children?"

"Yes," he says.

Later, House and the woman discuss God. (She believes in Him; House doesn't.) The episode is remarkable because, though House is always condescending, the scriptwriters allow the woman to state her faith-based, pro-life case without making her seem silly or blindly hyper-religious. Inexplicably, though, the woman has the abortion.

"House does not shrink from controversy," said Robert Knight, director of the Virginia-based Culture and Media Institute. "And the most controversial thing you can do on TV is challenge political correctness on social issues."

An April 3, 2007, installment of House went further. This time, Dr. House and his team treat Emma, a photographer about 19 weeks pregnant with a life-threatening heart condition. House's basic message: The "fetus" is threatening your life. Abort or die. But Emma refuses to abort and demands that House save them both.

House's boss, physician Lisa Cuddy, refuses to back House's recommendation to terminate. That sends the medical team, now led by Cuddy, in search of new treatment. Later, when House agrees to participate in exploratory in utero surgery, the hand of the "fetus" emerges from the incision and briefly grasps House's finger. He freezes in astonishment and—in something wholly alien to his grizzled character—rapt wonder.

"It was some of the most shocking footage on abortion ever seen on TV," Knight said of the reenactment of the controversial 1999 photo in which a 21-week-old baby seems to reach from his mother's womb during prenatal surgery and grasp the surgeon's hand.

"House was stunned," Knight said. And, in a stunningly un-Hollywood development, House thereafter refers to the "fetus" as a "baby."

Emma thanks House after he saves mother and child. Thank Dr. Cuddy, he replies. He would have killed the baby to save the mother. And so House remains House: Prickly, pragmatic—and pro-choice.

It isn't as though he or any of Hollywood's cast of more open-minded characters seems ready to picket Planned Parenthood. And pro-abortion messages still crop up in film and television. But filmmakers today seem less willing to blindly endorse the pro-abortion agenda typified by 1999's Oscar-winner The Cider House Rules, in which the abortionist Wilbur Larch (Michael Caine) is styled as a woman-saving hero.

The question is, is the new pro-life ethic emerging in film and television here to stay? With ultrasound and the internet spreading truth about what's inside the womb, Steve McEveety says the answer is yes: "And I blame it all on Quentin Tarantino."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; hollywood; moralabsolutes; prolife
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1 posted on 01/08/2008 1:27:05 PM PST by rhema
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To: MHGinTN; cpforlife.org; Salvation; Caleb1411

2 posted on 01/08/2008 1:28:13 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

Bella is a beautiful movie.


3 posted on 01/08/2008 1:29:23 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: rhema
"I don't want to judge my parents because they did what was right for them," said one young woman. "But I've grown up knowing that they aborted two of my siblings. I've grown up my whole life wondering if they were glad they kept me."

Statements like this always bring tears...

Praise be to God that more people are repenting from such a horrible, evil practice.

4 posted on 01/08/2008 1:32:25 PM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: rhema

Hillary loosing today, the feminazi’s are on the run.


5 posted on 01/08/2008 1:34:27 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: rhema

All this shows is that people can intellectually admit something, yet still go through with the opposite because even though they know it’s wrong, they still do the wrong thing.

People may have some understanding it’s wrong and that most people know it’s a life, yet they still write it so that either one has an abortion, or still remains pro abortion.

And as far as Hollywood goes, I don’t believe them for a second that anythign has changed. I totally believe they are simply trying to do novel writing for the total sake of ratings - any way they can get them. Because most prime time shows suck big time now and are losing viewers. That’s the only thing that really affects the big 4’s bottom line for advertising revenue.


6 posted on 01/08/2008 1:42:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: rhema
Hollywood isn't pro-life.

What they realize is: psychologically audiences cannot see a character as fun and likable if she has an abortion.

They may see her as an object of pity and not scorn, they may agree with her "choice" - but she can only be believable as a tragic figure.

99% of abortions occur because the mother just does not feel like dealing with the social and financial complications the child will cause.

That's fundamentally repulsive, but Americans mask that disgusting reality by reassuring themselves that most abortions are because of rape or incest or situations that would plunge mother and child into Third World poverty.

So in order to have a movie script in which a major character has an abortion for reasons that do not immediately make the audience disgusted with her, she has to be a victim of rape or incest or someone whose financial situation is irremediably horrible.

And audiences do not go to Hollywood movies to be depressed. They want to walk out amused or inspired or warmed.

7 posted on 01/08/2008 1:44:42 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Hildy just last week tried to stick to Obama by sending out a mailer that he wasn’t sufficiently pro-abortion (by her standards).

It got a big yawn or worse.

Abortion will never again be the big political bonanza it was to the Witch’s generation. It may not go away, either, but the days of simply being able to raise the specter of abortion “rights” to get some fire in a campaign are over.


8 posted on 01/08/2008 1:45:04 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Hillary loosing today, the feminazi’s are on the run.

There's still Obama.

9 posted on 01/08/2008 1:53:21 PM PST by shekkian
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To: rhema

Great post. Thank you.

The final scene of the second “House” episode mentioned above shows Emma, the photographer, at home, holding her new infant and looking at the framed, informal photos she took during her hospital stay of the doctors who saved her and her child. House is not among them. He is shunned. I liked that.

“Noelle” is a beauty. The young actors portraying the two main characters wrote, directed and produced it. They’re also married and their five children have parts in the film.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 1:54:25 PM PST by fullchroma
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To: rhema

Whenever someone says they: “support a woman’s right to chose”, it’s a safe bet that they don’t mean that a woman should have the right to chose any of these things:
the school her children attend;
to educate her children at home instead of at school;
the type of car she drives — unless it’s really tiny;
to say “Merry Christmas” at Christmas time;
her health-care provider — unless it’s a state monopoly;
or, even, the type of light bulbs she buys for home.


11 posted on 01/08/2008 1:55:23 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: rhema
Act One, a group that trains Christians for the film industry/

We need more groups like this. Christians need to invade the world of entertainment, the media, and academia, not abandon them to the Left.

12 posted on 01/08/2008 2:00:24 PM PST by hellbender
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To: rhema

They don’t kill the baby for the same reason the Indians never shoot the horses, you wouldn’t have a movie.


13 posted on 01/08/2008 2:03:31 PM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: wideawake

This article also repeats the idiotic mistake of grouping a bunch of movies that who’s production had nothing to do with each other’s under a generic ‘Hollywood’ ideological monolith who’s existence is dubious to begin with.


14 posted on 01/08/2008 2:03:59 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

That’s a good point. The movie industry is still very clubby, but it is no longer the domain of a handful of huge studios with kept stables of writers and stars.


15 posted on 01/08/2008 2:07:24 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake

Calling some of these indie films representative of something called ‘Hollywood’ is like saying the Zapruder film (which is listed on IMDB) is a sign of Hollywood’s support for the JFK assasination.


16 posted on 01/08/2008 2:11:07 PM PST by Borges
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To: TChris

I have 9 brothers and sisters and love them all deeply.

I also had a little sister die of natural causes at 1 week old.

I grieve the loss of my sister, Monica that I never had the opportunity to love as my sister.

I miss the jokes, the escapades, the phone calls, sharing the memories, the growing up together.

I can’t imagine the loss of knowing that my Mom killed a sister or brother of mine.


17 posted on 01/08/2008 2:13:03 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: rhema
Abortion is almost never mentioned in an Asian film, and when it is it's almost always treated negatively. There was a somewhat sleazy film made in South Korea a few years ago called Sex is Zero. It's an American Pie type sex comedy. but in this case it ends somewhat dramatically as the main character (a female) learns that promiscuity leads to bad consequences. She ends up pregnant and the callous father won't take responsibility. Feeling pressured to abort, she tells him, in tears, that because of his attitude their baby is going to die.

In another South Korean film, My Sassy Girl, the lead character is a troubled young women who is going out of her way to humiliate her boyfriend. One of the things she does is tell his professor and a class full of students that she's pregnant with his baby and he's taking her for an abortion. Actually, she isn't pregnant and they've never even had sex, but the idea conveyed is that the worst possible thing she could say about him to make him look awful is to implicate him in an abortion.

Even back in 1958, when the Japanese film Tokyo Twilight depicted a rare on-screen abortion storyline, the abortion was shown to be humiliating and damaging. A girl abandoned by her boyfriend panics and gets an abortion. The abortionist is a sleazy looking, unkempt woman who treats her like a hooker. As she's waiting for the abortion, she hears some passing schoolchildren singing and tears up. Later, when she sees her sister's baby daughter, she breaks down completely, and ends up throwing herself in front of a train.

Abortions are just sleazy and there's no way to sanitize them.

18 posted on 01/08/2008 2:13:35 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Think of the stories your little sister will have for you (and the introductions she will be able to make) when you finally see her agian.


19 posted on 01/08/2008 2:17:42 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: latina4dubya

Ping


20 posted on 01/08/2008 2:19:21 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: wagglebee

ping


21 posted on 01/08/2008 2:20:05 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Coleus

ping


22 posted on 01/08/2008 2:20:44 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Mr. Lucky

One of the consolations that I had when Mom passed was she would get to spend time with her other daughter.

I’m sure our reunion will be joyous .


23 posted on 01/08/2008 2:27:31 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: wideawake

Nor does she mention when the Golden Age of pro abortion films allegedly was.


24 posted on 01/08/2008 2:30:55 PM PST by Borges
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To: rhema
I think many on the left are slowly becoming more pro-life. After all, tens of millions of potential DemocRats have been aborted over the last 30 years. And many of them would be voting right now ...
25 posted on 01/08/2008 2:35:35 PM PST by LiberConservative ("Newb" badge? I don't need no stinkin' "Newb" badge!)
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To: rhema
These filmmakers are people who grew up with ultrasound pictures on the refrigerator ... Don't try to tell me that's not a baby.

I think they know it; they just don't care.

The US government knows it, too, and doesn't care - since they have made abortion legal.

26 posted on 01/08/2008 2:37:30 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: rhema
Later, House and the woman discuss God. (She believes in Him; House doesn't.) The episode is remarkable because, though House is always condescending, the scriptwriters allow the woman to state her faith-based, pro-life case without making her seem silly or blindly hyper-religious.

Inexplicably, though, the woman has the abortion.

It was necessary in order to show a religious woman being a hypocrite by going against her own pro-life views. And, of course, House wouldn't be condescending in this instance. The superiority of his position would be shown by NOT being condescending. All very subtle (and not so subtle) mind games from the writers. [I'm glad they're still on strike. I hope they never go back to work.]

27 posted on 01/08/2008 2:53:27 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: TChris

“Praise be to God that more people are repenting from such a horrible, evil practice.”

Yes.


28 posted on 01/08/2008 2:57:59 PM PST by ought-six
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To: rhema
This post attempts to explain how FDR's New Deal programs not only set the stage for the Supreme Court's robbing of our religious freedoms, but also the scandalous legalization of abortion in Roe v. Wade.

The 10th A. seemingly stood in the way of FDR's establishment of constitutionally unauthorized federal spending programs like Social Security.

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
FDR should have upheld his oath to defend the Constitution with respect to establishing his New Deal programs. He could have done so by rallying the states to amend the Constitution to essentially add SS and other New Deal federal programs to Sec. 8 of Article I in compliance with the 10th Amendment. Instead, FDR essentially talked the Supreme Court into ignoring the 10th A. protected powers of the states. It's almost as if FDR did not understand the Founder's requirement for constitutionally enumerated federal powers, particularly where federal spending programs are concerned.

To compound constitutional problems related to FDR's federal spending shenanigans, corrupt FDR era justices later used FDR's politically correct license to ignore the 10th A. to unconstitutionally limit our 10th A. protected religious freedoms. More specifically...

Justice Owen Roberts, a Hoover-nominated RINO, expressed his politically correct understanding of the relationship of the 14th A. to the 1st A. in the Cantwell opinion as follows.

"The First Amendment declares that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The Fourteenth Amendment has rendered the legislatures of the states as incompetent as Congress to enact such laws. The constitutional inhibition of legislation on the subject of religion has a double aspect." --Mr. Justice Roberts, Cantwell v. State of Connecticut 1940. http://tinyurl.com/38a87c
The problem with Justice Roberts' "profound insight" into the 1st and 14th Amendments is that he outrageously misrepresented the intentions of John Bingham, the main author of Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment. This is because Bingham had clarified, both before and after the ratification of the 14th A., that the 14th A. was not intended to take away any state's rights. See for yourself.
"The adoption of the proposed amendment will take from the States no rights (emphasis added) that belong to the States." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe http://tinyurl.com/2rfc5d

"No right (emphasis added) reserved by the Constitution to the States should be impaired..." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe http://tinyurl.com/2qglzy

"Do gentlemen say that by so legislating we would strike down the rights of the State? God forbid. I believe our dual system of government essential to our national existance." --John Bingham, Appendix to the Congressional Globe http://tinyurl.com/y3ne4n

And after Justice Roberts got finished using FDR's license to ignore the 10th A. to misrepresent John Bingham's ideas about the 14th A., Justice Black, a "former" Klansman and FDR nominated justice, used FDR's license to misrepresent the ideas of Thomas Jefferson concerning c&s separation.

Indeed, despite that Justice Black wanted everybody to think that Jefferson's "wall of separation" somehow meant that the establishment clause was intended to be applied to the states, Jefferson had acknowledged that the Founders had written the 1st and 10th Amendments in part to reserve government power to address religious issues uniquely to the state governments. In fact, Jefferson had done so on at least three occasions. Again, see for yourself.

"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that ‘the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively or to the people’: and that no power over the freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the states or the people..." --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions, 1798. http://tinyurl.com/oozoo

"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken on no occasion to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them as the Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of State or Church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies." --Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:378 http://tinyurl.com/jmpm3

"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. http://tinyurl.com/nkdu7

So by quoting Jefferson to help justify his scandalous interpretation of the establishment clause, Justice Black actually quoted probably the worst possible person that he could have quoted to help justify his dirty work.

Are we having fun yet? :^)

As a side note, consider that neither the Cantwell or Everson opinions contain any reference to the 10th A. protected powers of the states to address religious issues (corrections welcome). Corrupt, secular-minded justices evidently regarded the religious aspect of the 10th A. as too much of a loose canon to bring attention to. In fact, with the exception of Jones v. Opelika, 1942, Supreme Court cases where 10th A. protected powers of the states were weighed against FDR's New Deal programs seem to be the last time that the 10th A. was mentioned in state power related Court opinions. In fact, it's no surprise that the Roe v. Wade opinion is silent about the 10th Amendment (corrections welcome).

And since we're talking about the Supreme Court's "profound insight" into what the federal Constitution says about abortion - the Constitution actually says nothing about abortion; beware of judges who legislate from the bench - given that the USSC thought that it had the license to use Jefferson's "wall of separation" from a mere, private letter to help justify applying the establishment clause to the states, certainly the Court should have used Jefferson's "all men are created equal" from the Declaration of Independence to help justify finding the rights of unborn children in the 9th Amendment. After all, Jefferson could just as easily have written that all men are born equal. Instead, Jefferson evidently chose to reflect the belief of the signers of the DoI that God-given rights start from the moment of conception.

What a mess!

Abraham Lincoln warned us about corrupt lawmakers and judges.

"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln, Political debates between Lincoln and Douglas, 1858.
The bottom line is that the people need to wise up to the very serious problem of widespread federal government corruption, a consequence of FDR era politics, particularly where the ignoring of 10th A. protected state powers to address religious issues is concerned. The people need to quit sitting on their hands and petition lawmakers, judges and justices who are not upholding their oaths to defend the Constitution, demanding that they resign from their jobs.
29 posted on 01/08/2008 3:01:53 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: rhema
They forgot Evening (2007), which has one of the most moving pro-life scenes I've ever seen on the screen. A woman who is pregnant and having trouble making a commitment changes her mind, and the father is so overjoyed I had tears coming down. Not so with Waitress or Bella.

The critics didn't like this star-studded movie. Hmmmmm.

30 posted on 01/08/2008 3:10:13 PM PST by firebrand
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To: wideawake
99% of abortions occur because the mother just does not feel like dealing with the social and financial complications the child will cause.

The article is right. Moviegoers identify with the difficult, but heroic choices the characters make. There is no planet on which your 99% are making an herioc choice.

31 posted on 01/08/2008 3:32:05 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: rhema
"And I blame it all on Quentin Tarantino."

I always liked Tarantino.

32 posted on 01/08/2008 3:43:05 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: wideawake
Hollywood isn't pro-life.

But some people are, and some of those people are apparently in Hollywood.

Let's not forget that the laws of this country are not "pro choice" but very much pro abortion.

If I didn't think abortion was immoral I would still oppose Roe simply because it is an insult to the Constitution.

Of course, if I thought abortion was moral, or if I though abortion might be a necessary solution to a problem I might one day find myself facing due to other behavior I felt was not immoral -- despite traditionally being considered so -- I would fight tooth and nail to keep it.

Another thing to ask: why would a "small government" Republican not be wildly opposed to funding agencies involved in the promotion of abortion even if they should think the act should be legal?

33 posted on 01/08/2008 3:51:34 PM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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34 posted on 01/08/2008 4:15:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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35 posted on 01/08/2008 4:16:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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36 posted on 01/08/2008 4:24:03 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: rhema

I enjoyed Waitress, a very quirky comedy. If you rent it, be sure to watch the DVD extras - the young and talented producer/director was murdered after the movie was made.


37 posted on 01/08/2008 4:30:07 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Borges
"Nor does she mention when the Golden Age of pro abortion films allegedly was.


The 1960s the subject of abortion was a staple of television drama. While I was still young back them I can remember some story lines (especially medical shows) where the life of the mother to be was threaten because of the prgnancy and the doctors were helpless because abortion were illegal. Or, the woman would have a "back alley" abortion, and they would have to work miracles to save the woman.

There may not have been a "golden age" of abortion in the movies, but there was certainly a pro-abortion agenda in Hollywood and it was reflected on the small screen.

38 posted on 01/08/2008 4:30:37 PM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: rhema

Perhaps they are ready for my ‘Evil Interrupted’ story now. God only knows ...


39 posted on 01/08/2008 4:41:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
"...that they don’t mean that a woman should have the right to chose any of these things: the school her children attend;... to say “Merry Christmas” at Christmas time;...or, even, the type of light bulbs she buys for home."

Ha! Man, that's true.

And especially in relation to abortion as a great "benefit" for poor women. They won't fight to guarantee her right to anything she actually DID want: a reasonably low-interest mortgage, a decent education so she'd be literate and employable at graduation, etc. etc.

But the one thing nobody actually wants ---a dead baby --- that they'll gurantee.

40 posted on 01/08/2008 4:55:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God bless the child who's got his own.)
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To: rhema
I noticed this also.

The first time was watching (of all things) the new Battlestar Galtica. Abortion, and its subsequent outlawing, was the subject of a whole episode!

A subtle shift has happened in society. Perhaps the cornered has been turned.

41 posted on 01/08/2008 5:44:18 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rhema

Trust but verify.


42 posted on 01/08/2008 5:54:11 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: TChris
Statements like this always bring tears... Praise be to God that more people are repenting from such a horrible, evil practice.

My oldest sister, who I never met, died in infancy. I was the second and last child that my parents had. Would I be here today if she hadn't died?

My point is that the same thing can be said about contraception, which is where the abortion mentality begins.

43 posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:52 PM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: fightinJAG

“Abortion will never again be the big political bonanza it was to the Witch’s generation. It may not go away, either, but the days of simply being able to raise the specter of abortion “rights” to get some fire in a campaign are over.”

Infanticide is going to go away eventually. And the underlying reason is fairly easy to understand: math. Or more specifically, compounding. You see, most people grow up with the attitudes and beliefs of their parents. Abolitionist (pro-life) people have children. For the most part, they pass on to their children what an abomination infanticide is. Those children go on to have children of their own. And the cycle goes on.

The pro-infanticide crowd either contracepts or aborts their children out of existence. No children means no one to carry on their ideology. This is why you see the pro-infanticide crowd taking an interest in education; in the long run the only way they can expand their numbers is through indoctrination. It’s kind of like a twisted version of the Shakers.

Eventually, the pro-death coalition is going to find it difficult to get much support in the partisan political sphere. Moral considerations aside, killing off your future constituents is just plain bad politics.


44 posted on 01/08/2008 6:03:50 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Aquinasfan
My point is that the same thing can be said about contraception, which is where the abortion mentality begins.

Contraception can be misused in the same way that abortion is used, to avoid responsibility, but I don't think they are necessarily on the same continuum.

Contraception isn't the taking of a life.

I have no problem with contraception if it's used to plan a family and control its growth in wisdom, rather than to prevent one.

45 posted on 01/08/2008 6:21:56 PM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: TASMANIANRED
"I grieve the loss of my sister, Monica that I never had the opportunity to love as my sister. I miss the jokes, the escapades, the phone calls, sharing the memories, the growing up together. I can’t imagine the loss of knowing that my Mom killed a sister or brother of mine.

We lost five babies before our two sons blessed our home. Long ago, my husband and I made five little Christmas tree ornaments in the form of butterflies - one for each baby. When our sons were old enough, they were given the honor of putting the angel butterflies on the tree every Christmas. They always take it very seriously, and many times they've wondered what their brothers and sisters would have been like, and regretted not having a family with lots of siblings. They are now 14 and 12, and both consider abortion an unthinkable abomination. I hope they will not waver from that position as they navigate their way to full adulthoood.

46 posted on 01/08/2008 7:02:10 PM PST by Think free or die
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Well that’s before my time and not something I would have caught in reruns. Sounds like pretty bad soap opera garbage and not really representative of some mainstream filmaking agenda. If you were to compile a ratio of those episodes to to episodes with a joyous delivery room scene on some other show I’m guesing it would be pretty small.


47 posted on 01/08/2008 7:59:28 PM PST by Borges
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To: rhema; wagglebee
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48 posted on 01/09/2008 4:08:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Borges
I don't think there ever has been a golden age of pro-abortion films. There did seem to be some pro-abortion propaganda on TV in the seventies. There was the infamous Maude episode where she took advantage of New York's liberal abortion law to dispose of an unintended pregnancy. Though she at first struggled with her "choice", she eventually concluded that abortion was the logical thing to do and her daughter was the most strident character on the show, pushing abortion like it was nothing more consequential than having your tonsils removed.

Apparently soap operas in the seventies, during the years immediately post-Roe, featured a lot of abortions. From what I've been told (I never watched 'em) the woman would struggle over her "choice" but in the end decide the abortion was best for all concerned. I don't know if that still goes on today or not.

Some movies in the seventies and eighties began to drop abortions into their storylines, sort of casually. They weren't major parts of the plot. There's a scene in the movie Coma where some med students go into an operating theater to observe an operation. They're casually told it's going to be an abortion, and they don't seem to mind a bit. The woman in question decided to abort rather casually as well.

In Fast Times at Ridgemont High, one of the lead female characters gets pregnant, casually gets an abortion, and just shrugs it off. In Dirty Dancing a character gets an abortion and pays for it by lying to someone to get the money. In this case, the girl who had the abortion suffers because the abortion was botched, but since the film was set in the years before abortion was legal this was designed to make us sympathize with legality.

49 posted on 01/09/2008 4:34:37 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu

And Coma was written and directed by apparent conservative Michael Crichton (based on the Robin Cook novel). I don’t know anything about soap operas but the films you mentioned are decades apart in many cases. It’s not exactly a plethora. In the case of Coma (and The Cider House Rules and probably ‘Fast Times’ as well) it was a case of the source material having that material to begin with.


50 posted on 01/09/2008 7:45:16 AM PST by Borges
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