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Recordings Show Iran-US Clash In Gulf
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 1-8-2008 | SEBASTIAN ABBOT and LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 01/08/2008 1:48:00 PM PST by blam

Recordings Show Iran-US Clash in Gulf

Tuesday January 8, 2008 9:16 PM

By SEBASTIAN ABBOT and LOLITA C. BALDOR

Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON (AP) - Video and audio recordings clearly show Iranian boats confronting U.S. Navy ships in the Persian Gulf, and a voice speaking in heavily-accented English can be heard threatening that the American vessels were going to explode, military officials said Tuesday.

The incident, which President Bush denounced Tuesday as a ``provocative act,'' was videotaped by a crew member on the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper, one of the three ships that faced down five Iranian boats in a flare-up early Sunday.

The recordings were described by several military officials who viewed them. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the recordings were still being reviewed and had not been released to the public.

``It is a dangerous situation,'' Bush said during a White House news conference. ``They should not have done it, pure and simple. ... I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm telling you what my thinking was. I think it was a provocative act.''

At the Pentagon, defense officials were working to release about five minutes of video and audio that show several small boats as well as the U.S. ships involved in the clash. The Hopper was in the lead as the ships were moving through the Strait of Hormuz.

Military officials said the audio recording includes both threats and transmissions from the Iranians, as well as U.S. Navy transmissions. The audio and video recordings were made separately, and initially covered much of the more than 20 minute confrontation, but were pulled together and combined by the Navy, the officials said.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clash; frwn; hormuz; iran; navy; us

1 posted on 01/08/2008 1:48:02 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

This is why we need Fred Thompson, not Romney or Huckabee or Giuliani, and certainly not Ron Paul.


2 posted on 01/08/2008 1:49:19 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

Amen


3 posted on 01/08/2008 1:50:47 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: blam

Let’s do this!!!!!!


4 posted on 01/08/2008 1:51:08 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: counterpunch

Duncan Hunter. You don’t mess with that man.


5 posted on 01/08/2008 1:56:40 PM PST by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: blam
I'll tell you what they were thinking: Bush is gone in a year and election season is underway - let's see what the other candidates say and do when we try this kind of stuff.
6 posted on 01/08/2008 1:56:46 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: pgyanke

Iowa did.


7 posted on 01/08/2008 1:57:12 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: counterpunch

What about Mr. “Change”, Thefirstblackamericanpresident? Think he’s up o the task of finally putting the IRanians in their place.

He’s handsome you know, and such a good speaker...


8 posted on 01/08/2008 1:58:20 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: counterpunch

And why we do not want Barack Hussein Obama, hillary rodham clinton, or those others....


9 posted on 01/08/2008 2:05:31 PM PST by malia ( The Media is ignoring you FRED THOMPSON but I'm not ! And I know Duncan HUNTER is there also!)
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To: counterpunch
Absolutely and positively Fred is the only one fit to be CiC... the others do NOT have what it takes... Conservative bollocks!

LLS

10 posted on 01/08/2008 2:07:21 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: EyeGuy

With his ears he is a good listener!

LLS


11 posted on 01/08/2008 2:08:12 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Hunter also could handle it... I was speaking on the top 4.

LLS


12 posted on 01/08/2008 2:09:08 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: wideawake

Thanks for the non sequitur.


13 posted on 01/08/2008 2:18:55 PM PST by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“With his ears he is a good listener!”

....and poised and articulate and well groomed and multicultural diverse (do you know he once lived in ...gasp...Asia?) and tolerant and inclusive and dammit...he’s got that Oprah stamp of approval.....


14 posted on 01/08/2008 2:19:25 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: blam

Here’s some info on what MAY (I do not know for sure) of what threatened our ships.

n 1992, Iran and China negotiated a deal for Iran to recieve a fleet of 70-ton Chinese patrol boats with Styx antiship missles. In 1993, Iran bought two Russian Kilo-class submarines and eight mini-submarines from North Korea. All done in an effort to rebuild after the Navy was nearly destoyed after the Islamic Revolution, Iran continued to purchase foreign weapons systems.

Here’s the link:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/navy.htm


15 posted on 01/08/2008 2:45:14 PM PST by Tinman73 (Human nature requires We forget the terrible things We see. A truly intelligent person remembers it)
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To: blam
This link has more info on Iran anti-ship missiles http://www.softwar.net/c801.html
16 posted on 01/08/2008 2:48:52 PM PST by Tinman73 (Human nature requires We forget the terrible things We see. A truly intelligent person remembers it)
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To: blam
Sorry, last link,

This is maybe more their style if if does come down to a shooting engagement.

Iran is adding Chinese-made small boats armed with anti-ship cruise missiles to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy that can be used in attacks on shipping in the oil-rich Persian Gulf, according to the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). “Iran still states that the [Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps navy] will employ swarming tactics in a conflict,” ONI analyst Robert Althage said in an e-mail, noting that the paramilitary organization “continues to add boats armed with anti-ship cruise missiles, such as the FL-10, to its inventory.”

China began supplying Iran over the past several years with small, high-speed C-14 catamarans armed with the optically guided FL-10 anti-ship cruise missiles. Mr. Althage said in response to questions posed by Bloomberg News that recent exercises by the Iranians did not show any new capabilities and that the maneuvers appeared designed “for publicity.” Currently, Iran operates three Russian-made Kilo submarines but has not yet mined waterways, the ONI analyst stated.

A 2004 ONI report said the Iranian IRGC navy has more than 1,000 small boats ranging in length from 17 to 60 feet, and many are concentrated near the strategic Strait of Hormuz, where a large majority of the world’s oil passes. The boats can be used in attacks against shipping and include infantry weapons, unguided barrage rockets, recoilless guns, shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.

http://www.worldthreats.com/al-qaeda_terrorism/bgertz_inside_the_ring_061507.html

17 posted on 01/08/2008 2:54:50 PM PST by Tinman73 (Human nature requires We forget the terrible things We see. A truly intelligent person remembers it)
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To: blam
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18 posted on 01/08/2008 3:05:47 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: blam

Got my heart thumping a bit, that’s for sure. We still don’t know if they may have been dropping mines into the water? I doubt we’d risk lives making a sweep of the area so those “boxes” they dropped overboard may remain a mystery. But there’s no question that was a close call.


19 posted on 01/08/2008 3:12:06 PM PST by pianomikey (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. -Reagan)
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20 posted on 01/08/2008 3:24:20 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: blam
This is one good reason that I am not a commander on any of those boats, I suppose.

At the end of the video there would be nothing but a lot of wooden sticks floating on the water, along with a few body parts.

Why would anyone perceive the threat to be idle after the U.S.S. The Sullivans, and the U.S.S. Cole?

21 posted on 01/08/2008 3:31:03 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: blam

For those of you who came looking for actual video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3zrg7_sky1_news

Advice for Iranian “navy”: when you’re in a 14’ double outboard and confronting a missile cruiser, missile destroyer, and frigate, it is generally not a good idea to say “I am coming at you, you will explode”


22 posted on 01/08/2008 3:33:58 PM PST by BorisTheBulletDodger
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To: BorisTheBulletDodger
...it is generally not a good idea to say “I am coming at you, you will explode”.

The sad part is that they should have exploded immediately after they said anything like this...and didn't.

Now that these assclowns know that they can get away with this crap, look for these types of incidents to increase.

23 posted on 01/08/2008 3:43:22 PM PST by Recovering Hermit ("A liberal feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.")
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To: BorisTheBulletDodger; Marine_Uncle

Thanks for the link to the video.


24 posted on 01/08/2008 6:09:16 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ya know, this continued mentioned of peace in the region, as voiced by the young lady in this sky video is nothing but horse*hit. There is no peace. Who is kidding who.
Hopefully the next go around with these clowns will show videos of our naval ship's rapid firing Gatling system shred the boats as they get near.

25 posted on 01/08/2008 6:41:46 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: counterpunch

“This is why we need Fred Thompson, not Romney or Huckabee or Giuliani, and certainly not Ron Paul.”

I think Hunter would do an even better job, in this situation, than Thompson. I do agree with you regarding the others.


26 posted on 01/08/2008 7:33:31 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: LibLieSlayer

“Absolutely and positively Fred is the only one fit to be CiC... the others do NOT have what it takes... Conservative bollocks!”

Hunter does. I agree with you about the others.


27 posted on 01/08/2008 7:40:58 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: EyeGuy

“....and poised and articulate and well groomed and multicultural diverse (do you know he once lived in ...gasp...Asia?) and tolerant and inclusive and dammit...he’s got that Oprah stamp of approval.....”

And it is a really good thing for him that he has all those qualities because he has zero qualities to be President.


28 posted on 01/08/2008 7:43:05 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

I agree Hunter does.

LLS


29 posted on 01/08/2008 7:49:41 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: Marine_Uncle

This particular model of Phalanx speaks fluent Farsi

30 posted on 01/08/2008 7:55:25 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

“And it is a really good thing for him that he has all those qualities because he has zero qualities to be President.”

I’m not even convinced he has all of those qualities, but the fawning LeftMedia is.

Zero? I’d say less than zero. The real question is: if this socialist, racist radical is elected to be CIC, how many years will it take the country to recover?


31 posted on 01/08/2008 8:04:14 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: MaxMax
As you can see, it’s pointed up! I don’t think these things go much lower than the horizon. If these boats got within 100 yards, we may have been limited in the weaponry to sidearms. While watching the film, I just couldn’t understand why they weren’t blasted from the water, especially when they turned TOWARD my vessel. I guess that’s why I’m not officer material. They would have been dead if I were in charge. I think even the UN would have said that was too close and they should have known better.

The only possible reason for this was testing our resolve,.....and it looks like we blinked. Bush is still president for another year and he should act like it. If they do this with Bush, imagine what will happen with Obama.

32 posted on 01/08/2008 8:07:00 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Bush is still president for another year and he should act like it.

I hope BDS isn't becoming a trend here on Freepers.

33 posted on 01/08/2008 8:23:42 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: pgyanke
Duncan Hunter. You don’t mess with that man.
True. And he does have a delegate.
 
34 posted on 01/08/2008 8:35:06 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: MaxMax

Our Navy denied the goons their virgins, that is for sure.


35 posted on 01/09/2008 9:01:10 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: EyeGuy

“Zero? I’d say less than zero.”

I could agree on that.

“The real question is: if this socialist, racist radical is elected to be CIC, how many years will it take the country to recover?”

Too many.


36 posted on 01/09/2008 8:17:48 PM PST by mjaneangels@aolcom
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