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The Histone Code (genetic code not the only code?)
USC/Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center ^ | 2007 | Judd C. Rice, Ph.D.

Posted on 01/08/2008 7:28:22 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

It is now clear that genetics won’t be able to answer all of our questions about human development and disease. These basic biological processes rely heavily on epigenetics – the ability to ‘fine-tune’ the expression of specific genes.

This regulation of gene expression is essential for defining cellular identity and the dysregulation of these processes results in a variety of human diseases. Therefore, understanding these mechanisms will not only enhance our basic knowledge but will also lead to the improved detection, therapy and prognoses of several human diseases.

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The histone code hypothesis predicts that the post-translational modifications of histones, alone or in combination, function to direct specific and distinct DNA-templated programs.

(Excerpt) Read more at histonecode.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; epigenetics; evolution; finetuning; geneticcode; histonecode; intelligentdesign; justlooksdesigned
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1 posted on 01/08/2008 7:28:24 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So, the more we know, the more we don’t know.............


2 posted on 01/08/2008 7:31:08 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; CottShop; boop; betty boop; metmom; Alamo-Girl; js1138; ...

Very intersting ping!


3 posted on 01/08/2008 7:31:58 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I need Hildebeast, the smartest woman on the planet, to explain this to me!


4 posted on 01/08/2008 7:35:38 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: GodGunsGuts
Very interesting, but the article looks like good basic science.

It will not help creationism one bit. Sorry.

5 posted on 01/08/2008 7:37:39 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I would say, the more we learn how “fine-tuned” life is, the more we should be looking for the possibility of a “fine-tuner.”


6 posted on 01/08/2008 7:38:53 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: PeterPrinciple; GodGunsGuts
the more we know, the more we don’t know

Bump

7 posted on 01/08/2008 7:40:31 PM PST by valkyry1 (Thompson/Hunter Hunter/Thompson all the way!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Excellent point!


8 posted on 01/08/2008 7:44:11 PM PST by doc1019 (Rabbit and the Hare Fred 08)
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To: PeterPrinciple
So, the more we know, the more we don’t know

So, the more we know, the more we realize how much we don’t know.
9 posted on 01/08/2008 7:45:11 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thank you for the ping. It's always good to hear from you. I don't always get back to you on this or that ping, but I always do, eventually if not sooner, read the article, follow the thread, etc.

Let's see...how did it go? From previous info; proteins could vary somewhat, depending on what other neighboring alleles were present, or not? Something like that.

It's as if there are codes, within the code? As opposed to being simply "here's the gene that makes this protein" [with no variation, period].

10 posted on 01/08/2008 7:46:18 PM PST by BlueDragon (never set out to sea on a boat that has shiny pump handles...)
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To: valkyry1
Thanks, Valkyryl. Did you notice that part about “fine-tuning” of gene expression? It would seem that certain materialist/reductionist explanations for life are unraveling by the day.
11 posted on 01/08/2008 7:50:01 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: BlueDragon

I just wonder how many codes we will find as we go forward. Codes upon codes upon codes...We truly are fearfully and WONDERFULLY made!


12 posted on 01/08/2008 7:52:58 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Coyoteman

Aah, come on. Do you have to be such a one-trick pony? Such a one note Johnny? (three cord wonder?)

You're deeper than that. I've even seen you be that way, a time or two... 8^)

13 posted on 01/08/2008 7:53:30 PM PST by BlueDragon (never set out to sea on a boat that has shiny pump handles...)
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To: Coyoteman

==It will not help creationism one bit.

God’s creation does not need the help of science. Quite the contrary...Science needs God’s creation.


14 posted on 01/08/2008 7:56:32 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Yeah. Sure does seem that way.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program ---

(I'd better go follow the link and read the article, lol!)

15 posted on 01/08/2008 7:56:43 PM PST by BlueDragon (never set out to sea on a boat that has shiny pump handles...)
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To: PeterPrinciple

That’s what I noticed in college, even in all my meteorology courses. Every thing we learned raised a whole host of questions that still needed to be answered.


16 posted on 01/08/2008 8:16:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Isn’t God’s creation fascinating!


17 posted on 01/08/2008 8:20:16 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

PS Remember that article I posted about the “Guinea Pig Kids”?


18 posted on 01/08/2008 8:28:17 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

A code is a basic construct of language. Only intelligent beings use language. If biology has built in codes, it implies an intelligent code giver created it all. Seems rather intuitive to me.


19 posted on 01/08/2008 8:28:17 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: garjog

Same here. But some FRevolutionists find this intuitive notion highly controversial...even anathema. Indeed, they have gone so far as to say that evolution is the study of natural phenomena that give the “appearance” of design. They remind me of Buddhists who seek to convince mankind that all is illusion. They have even adopted a kind of yin and yang (random mutation plus natural selection).


20 posted on 01/08/2008 8:34:51 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Incredibly.


21 posted on 01/08/2008 8:52:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 01/08/2008 8:53:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Coyoteman

Someone wrote the code.


23 posted on 01/08/2008 8:56:10 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Hillary ... a product whose sell-by date has passed" (OMG, I'm quoting Shrum))
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To: GodGunsGuts; garjog

What great faith those evos display; to deny the intelligence behind a code when by their own admission it gives the *appearance* of design.

Evos are constantly demanding evidence of intelligence or design and here we have it and they even admit it and still turn around and deny it.

If natural phenomena gives the appearance of design, why make it so complicated? Why try so hard to deny the obvious? Why look for explanations to show that the appearance of design is just happenstance? They’re making it so much more complicated than it is in their desperate attempts to deny a creator.

KISS


24 posted on 01/08/2008 9:04:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman

It won’t hurt it either.


25 posted on 01/08/2008 9:05:45 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

How could I forget. Using unwilling human subjects for human experimentation makes my blood boil.


26 posted on 01/08/2008 9:06:45 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
They remind me of Buddhists who seek to convince mankind that all is illusion.

Really.

27 posted on 01/08/2008 9:07:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; garjog

[[I would say, the more we learn how “fine-tuned” life is, the more we should be looking for the possibility of a “fine-tuner.”]]

True, that would be the logical step to take, but unfortunately, that won’t happen- the Design Denialists have the ever obscure “We don’t know how it evolved, but we might one day” mantra to fall back on if explanations are not available- having an unfalsifiable hypothesis covers a multitude of biological sins it seems- and let’s never forget, those of us who look for the logical explanations based on the facts are the psuedoscientists and psuedosciecne followers while those who state time + biological mistakes answers everything (Regardless of a complete lack of evidence to back that pipedream up)- Never question the god of Naturalism- it’s advocates get ugly if you do.

Garjog wrote [[A code is a basic construct of language. Only intelligent beings use language. If biology has built in codes, it implies an intelligent code giver created it all. Seems rather intuitive to me.]]

Tsk Tsk- everyone knows that when 1000 violins are uncovered in an ancient ruins that they must have evolved from raw materials. Never question the god of materialism.


28 posted on 01/08/2008 9:34:35 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop

doh- I meant the god of naturalism- not materialsm lol- carry on


29 posted on 01/08/2008 9:36:40 PM PST by CottShop
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To: garjog
A code is a basic construct of language.

No.

30 posted on 01/08/2008 10:33:05 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: metmom

==How could I forget. Using unwilling human subjects for human experimentation makes my blood boil.

http://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/GlaxoSmithKline+(GSK)+Denies+Wrongdoing+In+Russian+Vaccine+Probe/1750668.html


31 posted on 01/09/2008 12:15:14 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

GlaxoSmithKline = the makers of AZT.


32 posted on 01/09/2008 12:20:59 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: martin_fierro

ping


33 posted on 01/09/2008 12:42:44 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: garjog; Coyoteman

“A code is a basic construct of language. Only intelligent beings use language. If biology has built in codes, it implies an intelligent code giver created it all. Seems rather intuitive to me.”

All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster and His noodly appendage!


34 posted on 01/09/2008 1:09:31 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: NonValueAdded

“Someone wrote the code.”

Space aliens?

Sounds like a Kucinich theory.


35 posted on 01/09/2008 1:10:47 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Coyoteman
It will not help creationism one bit.

actually, it does, by exposing the guys who say they know so much as frauds.

36 posted on 01/09/2008 2:23:56 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem; NonValueAdded

So where’d the code come from if nobody wrote it?


37 posted on 01/09/2008 5:10:11 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
“It is now clear that genetics won’t be able to answer all of our questions about human development and disease.”

Surprise, surprise (not really). I recommend the Politically Incorrect Guide to Science. One chapter discusses exaggerated claims for genetic engineering, cloning, decoding the genome, and other money absorbing fads in biology that did not live up to their hype.

38 posted on 01/09/2008 5:27:34 AM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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To: Coyoteman
Very interesting, but the article looks like good basic science. It will not help creationism one bit. Sorry.

Actually, if it's good basic science, this can only help creationism. The more good, basic, non-politicised science we get, the more evolution is falsified and the more the field opens up for reconsideration of alternatives.

39 posted on 01/09/2008 5:30:05 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Head and proud of it! Fear the Fred!)
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To: metmom
So where’d the code come from if nobody wrote it?

Why, just like the code for the computer programs you're using - it magically appeared abiogenetically out of nowhere, due to completely naturalistic forces!

/sarc

40 posted on 01/09/2008 5:32:14 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Head and proud of it! Fear the Fred!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Just like the universe popping out of nowhere, for no reason, expanding faster than the speed of light to fill all known space in a trillion-trillionth of a second, organizing itself into complex structures, and establishing it’s own laws?

How silly of me.

Of course we should then expect incredibly complex genetic code to assemble itself.

Why not?


41 posted on 01/09/2008 5:43:39 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Coyoteman

“So where’d the code come from if nobody wrote it?”

First, it’s not ‘code’ the way you and I understand a human-created code to be. If you think so, you’re anthropomorphizing it.

Second, there’s an entire branch of chemistry/physics which demonstrates the capability you questioned -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization

Some of the links on that page are worth following, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence


42 posted on 01/09/2008 6:00:56 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“==How could I forget. Using unwilling human subjects for human experimentation makes my blood boil.”

When it does boil, make sure you’re at a high altitude. The low air pressure means that your blood will at least boil at a lower temperature.

;)


43 posted on 01/09/2008 6:04:28 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: metmom; GovernmentIsTheProblem

LOL, as soon as I read your response, I thought “I’ll be some yahoo will try to make the “self-organisation” argument, and sure enough, in the very next post, GITP did just that. Sure. Like convection currents prove that stereospecific self-organisation happened. Next, please.


44 posted on 01/09/2008 6:11:53 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Head and proud of it! Fear the Fred!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“LOL, as soon as I read your response, I thought “I’ll be some yahoo will try to make the “self-organisation” argument, and sure enough, in the very next post, GITP did just that. Sure. Like convection currents prove that stereospecific self-organisation happened. Next, please.”

When I posted it, I thought, well, some hayseed yay-hoo will dismiss it out of hand with a ridiculous comment, but maybe someone else with the capability to, will actually learn something from the exchange.

There are a lot of examples beyond convection currents - you didn’t disappoint me by picking that one though. I expected as much.


45 posted on 01/09/2008 6:17:36 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: canuck_conservative

Actually, the more we know, the less we have to learn.


46 posted on 01/09/2008 6:20:42 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Coyoteman

Would help ID, though...


47 posted on 01/09/2008 6:21:39 AM PST by sobieski
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To: metmom
Of course we should then expect incredibly complex genetic code to assemble itself.

Your inability to understand something is neither proof nor implication that something else does.

48 posted on 01/09/2008 6:24:19 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny

OK. Enlighten me. How does something as complex as DNA assemble itself?


49 posted on 01/09/2008 6:25:54 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The mental gymnastics and contortions one has to go through to deny the stunningly obvious is truly breathtaking.

Don’t the evos claim that faith is believing in something that is impossible in defiance of all the evidence. This would certainly qualify. What great faith the evos have.


50 posted on 01/09/2008 6:28:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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