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Canada Goosed [Steyn being silenced in Canada]
The Washington Times ^ | January 9, 2007 | Pete Vere

Posted on 01/08/2008 10:44:19 PM PST by GratianGasparri

Canada goosed

By Pete Vere January 9, 2008

SAULT STE. MARIE, Ontario

An attempt to have a Canadian panel stifle Mark Steyn poses a threat to American freedom of speech, the conservative columnist says.

The Canadian author told The Washington Times in a telephone interview that the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) agreeing to investigate a Muslim complaint against him opens a new front on threats to Canadians' press and religious freedom: speech that originates in the United States.

"There are attempts to circumscribe the First Amendment, and certain groups have become very adept at using legal and quasi-legal methods to restrict discussion and what's discussed," said Mr. Steyn, who spends half the year living in New Hampshire and writes for several U.S.-based publications.

Under Canadian law, the CHRC investigates purported incidents of hate speech and discrimination and refers some to the quasi-judicial Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, which can impose fines or issue restraint orders.

Mr. Steyn became subject to a CHRC investigation last month when the Canadian Islamic Congress (CIC) complained about an excerpt Mr. Steyn had reprinted from "America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It," Mr. Steyn's best-seller published by U.S.-based Regnery Publishing.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; chrc; dhimmitude; firstamendment; homosexualagenda; humanrights; islamincanada; marksteyn; speech
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Canadians have the right to determine which laws and procedures they want to live under,however silly and/or dangerous.

As long as you have the right to state that, it is perfectly ok. bbbb.....but, I humbly submit Canadians did not determine these laws. Canadians per se do not get a look in. Stentorian voice of the law makers here.

The public will be consulted .

Anyone for the faint hope clause? (Chuckle)

51 posted on 01/09/2008 2:03:14 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: JasonC
"Pretending this is about sovereign nations doing as they please is just that, pretending. It is organized Islamic radicals and their leftist supporters"

If the laws are written clearly and correctly then Islamic Jihadists would be kicked out of the courts immediately upon filing these suits, wherever.

Unfortunately the laws as written in Canada are neither clear nor correct.

But this is the way it should be: the Canadians are conducting an experiment in trying to protect peoples' feelings at the expense of other peoples' freedom of speech.

Hopefully the western world will wake up soon and realize that the experiment has failed and every country should adopt laws closer to what we have in America.

If our US government can use international trade agreements to get the other countries to modify their laws, e.g. if you want to be able to sell Canadian published works in America, then you have to allow us to sell our works in Canada without fear of litigation, then that would be OK.

But if the other countries decline to do so, then that's what happens.

Nobody is born with the right to sell whatever they make to whereever they want to sell it. If our government is too wimpy to project our values to other countries, then our businesses will suffer the consequences.

BTW, we at FreeRepublic all agree that everything that comes from the pen of Mark Steyn is the exact opposite of offensive. However, there is much disagreement here about whether something like "Deep Throat Part 23" is offensive. If a company makes such a movie and successfully sells it in America, I will not be one of those fighting for them to also be able to sell it in Saudi Arabia or China. If those countries want to ban such material, more power to them.

And if they want to sue the makers in the case that they accidentally get away with selling a few copies to the Saudis, then we should allow the Saudis to file the papers and let the courts deal with it.

52 posted on 01/09/2008 2:27:19 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Peter Libra
"humbly submit Canadians did not determine these laws"

Whether the councils are there because of a sin of commission by the Canadians (i.e. they voted for it) or a sin of omission (i.e. they woke up one day to find these councils running and didn't run the council members out of town on a rail) it amounts to the same thing.

53 posted on 01/09/2008 2:29:56 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Sorry, you are hopelessly misinformed. No alleged right to sell anything anywhere is involved. What the lawsuits against Steyn's publishers and himself actually seek, is (1) cease and desist orders forbidding him to publish such material and (2) their own control over his publisher's publication. Specifically, "they have demanded the right to a cover story in Maclean’s, with full editorial control over content and art".

There is simply no way to square this circle, try as you might. Nothing the multiculturalist left or the Islamic radicals using them are doing, is in any way a matter of legitimate freedoms, nor does any the opposition to them stem from claiming non-existent economic rights. Nor is any of this confined to their borders, sovereign style - Canadians have been ordered by these commissions to remove content from US based websites, and as already mentioned Islamicists in Europe have sought international arrest warrants against those whose speech they dislike.

They are just utter goons and do not have a leg to stand on. But their enablers do not want to stand up to them, because it is not a multiculturalist PC thing to do in their book. Those supporters, including sitting judges in several countries issuing coercive orders, want to let their mascots run roughshod over the rights of others, just by pretending to "be offended". It is obscene, and you should not be defending it, in any shape matter or form.

54 posted on 01/09/2008 2:55:17 PM PST by JasonC
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To: GratianGasparri
Last evening I caught an interview with Michael Coren on the Steyn affair that is worth giving a little listen to. You’ll find it at http://www.cjob.com/dynamic/dynamic_audiovault_process.aspx?dt=20080108_22 at about the 11 minute mark
55 posted on 01/09/2008 5:23:59 PM PST by styky (All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor)
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To: JasonC
I am not defending any particular idiotic/calculated lawsuit by Islamofascists to limit free speech.

All I am arguing for is that the cure not be worse than the disease.

I want American sovereignty to be respected around the world. I believe that the best way for that to occur is for us to defend our sovereignty intellectually, economically, and militarily. One component of the intellectual defense is not to be hypocritical with regard to the sovereignty of other nations.

I am not a big fan of much of what is referred to as "international law", but it is what it is.

If we have signed treaties or agreements with other nations that allow their citizens to sue our citizens when all they do is express their views, then those agreements need to be modified or voided.

These things work both ways. We want to be able to sue the Libyan terrorists responsible for the Lockerbie bombing and we want to be able to sue the government of Iran for the costs and trauma associated with the kidnappings. In order for this to be allowed, citizens in other countries need to be allowed to sue us when we do wrong such as what happened at Bhopal.

If the Islamofascists are having to attack us with frivilous lawsuits rather than WMDs, then I believe this is a sign that we are winning the long war.

56 posted on 01/09/2008 5:58:13 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
What cure? You don't have any.

Islamicists are suing in the US under US law, they don't need foreign ones. They also sue people elsewhere. Others blow people up and shoot off rockets, it isn't an either-or thing. As for WMDs specifically, Iran is developing them and being feted for it at Columbia, fawned over by our professors, and has flack run for the effort by the intelligence community (whitewash NIE) and politicians (Biden promising impeachment proceedings if Bush touches Iran). Meanwhile not a single presidential candidate has expressed a willingness to use force to stop them from getting nukes. Russia meanwhile is actually giving them enriched uranium.

Your touching idea that fair standards equally applied will be the result of any forebearance or example on our part, is delusional. The bottom line of the western left is never to confront any external critic or internal minority critic of the west. And the bottom line of foreign powers is anything that reduces US power in the world. Respect for law of any kind, by anyone but us, has precisely nothing to do with it. Nobody else involved has any.

57 posted on 01/09/2008 8:04:45 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Any loss of speech, makes it easier for the next country to take it away.

I have been a fan of the Lionheart Blog and now he has a warrant out for telling the truths, in England.

Blogger Lionheart in UK in trouble for webpage
Blogger Lionheart UK is at risk of an investigation for writing about Islam. See the following. http://lionheartuk.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-police-have-been-charged-with.html


58 posted on 01/09/2008 8:14:30 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Thanks I put up a thread on it.

A Profile in Courage: An Interview with "Lionheart," The British Blogger in Hiding.

59 posted on 01/09/2008 8:42:46 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Good, I am glad that you put up the thread, thank you.


60 posted on 01/09/2008 10:48:13 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Happy to!


61 posted on 01/09/2008 10:49:12 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: JasonC
You have decided ahead of time that all Muslims are part of some grand conspiracy.

The concept of treating a person based on delusional feelings with regard to the group was determined by history to be a complete failure, i.e. the Holocaust.

62 posted on 01/10/2008 10:45:42 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Godwin's Avenger.

Look it up. Game over. You've lost.

63 posted on 01/10/2008 7:54:07 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Hey! But at least I didn't call you a fascist or Nazi.

I was a bit more subtle than that ... you know by invoking the Holocaust and all.

64 posted on 01/10/2008 9:47:41 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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