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Philippine Government Drafts Constitutional Amendment to Create Muslim Homeland
VOA News ^ | January 09, 2008 | By Douglas Bakshian

Posted on 01/10/2008 12:03:04 AM PST by camerakid400

The Philippine government is drafting a constitutional amendment that would authorize the establishment of a federal homeland for Muslims in the south of the country. The proposed amendment is part of a complex peace process between the government and a major Muslim rebel group. Douglas Bakshian reports from Manila.

Last November, an important agreement was reached between the Philippine government and the rebel Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). The two sides agreed on the size of a proposed homeland for the country's Muslims in the south of the country.

This definition of what is called "the territory" is part of larger peace negotiations between the government and the MILF, and was due to be formalized on December 15.

But the MILF objected to what it called "extraneous" material in a government draft of the agreement. This included a provision for congressional approval of any peace deal.

The MILF says it fears Congress may weaken any peace deal reached by the negotiators, as happened to a 1996 peace agreement with another rebel group, the Moro National Liberation Front.

Jesus Dureza, President Gloria Arroyo's adviser on the peace process, says the government has concluded that establishing a Muslim homeland requires an amendment to the constitution.

"The cabinet, with the president, had agreed that if it even takes amending the constitution to establish a federal Muslim governance unit in the southern Philippines, then we should push through that track. That is where we are today," he said.

Dureza says he hopes a definitive draft will be ready by the end of the month. He says the Arroyo administration believes it can generate bipartisan support in Congress for the amendment.

Despite the Muslims' distrust of Congress, chief MILF negotiator Mohagher Iqbal says there is still room for maneuver.

Iqbal says the group might be able to live with congressional approval of an amendment specifically establishing a Muslim homeland. But he says Congress cannot be given authority to alter the terms of a broad peace agreement between the rebels and the government.

"It has to be something that whatever is done through constitutional processes would not derogate any of the prior agreements between us and the government," Iqbal said. " If it can be worded like that, I think it's worth examining. "

The latest round of peace talks has gone on for three years, and the November agreement on territory was hailed as a breakthrough. Both sides say they do not want to lose the momentum of the talks.

A separatist insurgency by the concentration of Muslims in the south of this predominately Catholic country has been running for 40 years, and has claimed more than 120,000 lives.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 200711; appeasement; arroyo; gloriaarroyo; islamicimperialism; islamicsupremacists; milf; mnlf; muslimlands; peaceinourtime; phillipines; religiousintolerance
A separatist insurgency by the concentration of Muslims in the south of this predominately Catholic country has been running for 40 years, and has claimed more than 120,000 lives.

Un-freakin believable.

1 posted on 01/10/2008 12:03:06 AM PST by camerakid400
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To: camerakid400

I know they’ve killed people, but it’s hard to take seriously a terrorist group named the “MILF.”


2 posted on 01/10/2008 12:05:17 AM PST by furquhart (John S. McCain for President)
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To: camerakid400

The Philippine Islamic Jihadists go by the acronym of “MILF?” You couldn’t write this stuff as fiction, no one would believe it!!


3 posted on 01/10/2008 12:06:53 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: furquhart
> ...it’s hard to take seriously a terrorist group named the “MILF.”

"Muslims I'd Like to Fry"?

4 posted on 01/10/2008 12:07:13 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: furquhart

Muslims I’d......


5 posted on 01/10/2008 12:07:37 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: camerakid400
It would make sense if they were going to create the "homeland" well below sea level.

* Saifullah Yunos aka Mukhlis Yunos, JI & MILF: a Filipino operative of the al Qaeda-linked militant group Jemaah Islamiyah. Philippine intelligence officials describe Mr Yunos as a veteran of the war against the former Soviet Union in Afghanistan. They allege that he leads a Jemaah Islamiyah cell operating within the Philippine Muslim separatist group Moro Islamic Liberation Front, or MILF....
...Mr Yunos's name first crossed Philippine police radar screens after the bombing of a crowded commuter train in Manila in December 2000, which killed 20 people. Simultaneous attacks in the city killed two more people.
Indonesian national Fathur Roman al-Ghozi, who last year was sentenced to a prison term of 10 to 12 years for his role in the bombings, identified Mr Yunos as one of the main organisers of the attacks.
...Intelligence officials said Mr al-Ghozi, a Jemaah Islamiyah member, first met Mr Yunos while training in Afghanistan. The officials said the two men were reunited in the late 1990s, when al-Qaeda's point man in Jemaah Islamiyah, Riduan Isamuddin, also known as Hambali, dispatched Mr al-Ghozi to the Philippines to help organise bombing campaigns and develop ties to Muslim separatist rebels in the country. Philippine intelligence officials said they believed Mr Riduan was also in contact with Mr Yunos. ...
Both Mr Yunos and the arrested Egyptian, Mr Mahmud, are undergoing interrogation at national police headquarters in Manila. The Associated Press reported that the Philippine police intelligence director, chief superintendent Jesus Verzosa, said that Mr al-Ghozi and a detained MILF leader had both identified photographs of the captive as Mr Yunos.
Besides the attack on the Manila commuter train in December 2000, Philippine officials said Mr Yunos had been linked to a series of recent bombings in the southern Philippines, including the explosions at Davao City Airport and wharf in March and April. - "Police arrest top al-Qaeda suspect (Iraq connection)," by James Hookway, Dow Jones Newswires, 5/27/03
[Intelligence reports viewed by The Wall Street Journal say that Mr Yunos was also in regular contact with Iraq's former consul in Manila before the recent war in Iraq.]

I wonder how long this "give em a homeland" idea has been in the works? Perhaps since before the OK City bombing?

6 posted on 01/10/2008 12:11:38 AM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: camerakid400

Well, my relatives/in laws are Filipinos so here’s my take:

pres Arroyo is an idiot. First, she permanently dissolves the death penalty (before she went to see the Pope last yr)....now this...

The Muslims are the ones BOMBING the MAJORITY Christians in the Philippine (Philippines is the ONLY CHRISTIAN nation in Asia), and NOT the other way around.

The Arroyo administration will open the floodgates to more bloodshed because in Islam: if you dont bow to Mecca, you are infidel, and you must be killed. Plain and simple.


7 posted on 01/10/2008 12:12:48 AM PST by max americana
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To: camerakid400
>> A separatist insurgency by the concentration of Muslims in the south of this predominately Catholic country has been running for 40 years, and has claimed more than 120,000 lives.

> Un-freakin believable.

These lunatics take their religious differences seriously, apparently. I'm happy to say that here in America we (generally) limit ourselves to name-calling and refusal to socialize. If religious conflicts in the US have killed 3,000 Americans every year since 1967, I missed it.

8 posted on 01/10/2008 12:13:09 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: camerakid400

Lets see if appeasment works...I think not.


9 posted on 01/10/2008 12:19:59 AM PST by skimask (Support Terrorism......Vote Democratic)
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To: camerakid400

The religion of peace can only be “peaceful” when it snuffs out all competing faiths.


10 posted on 01/10/2008 12:30:46 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: camerakid400
Land For Peace.

This is a complete disaster.

11 posted on 01/10/2008 12:33:44 AM PST by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: camerakid400

And so it is wherever they go... Which is another good reason NEVER to allow them into your country. Already they are demanding large chunks of Paris and London be officially recognized to be under sharia law. Sydney’s under siege. Detroit, too. Probably only a matter of time before they insist on seceding and the blood really begins to flow, endlessly — as in the s***holes they came from.


12 posted on 01/10/2008 12:36:10 AM PST by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: dayglored

Do you really believe it could never happen here? I am not so sure. Anything can happen. And Arroyo is nuts to think it will bring peace. It only confirms that violence and terror achieve results. Filipino Catholic Christians are among the most devout I know. So sad what is happening there. God protect and strengthen them.


13 posted on 01/10/2008 12:38:03 AM PST by informavoracious
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To: expatguy
"The Philippine government is drafting a constitutional amendment that would authorize the establishment of a federal homeland for Muslims in the south of the country."

Give 'em an island. Move the Islams there. Declare it a free fire zone.

yitbos

14 posted on 01/10/2008 1:00:53 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. - Ayn Rand")
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To: camerakid400
I guess nobody told them appeasement never works.

Only total victory brings peace. Ask any Carthaginian.

15 posted on 01/10/2008 1:06:49 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: weegee
> The religion of peace can only be “peaceful” when it snuffs out all competing faiths.

Nah. Too many sects. Even if all the world were Muslim, they'd still fight amongst themselves. And you may recall that sectarian wars are among the most bitter and violent.

It's a steel cage match, and no one survives.

This is why it must be stopped cold while there's still a world to save.

16 posted on 01/10/2008 1:17:21 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: informavoracious
> Do you really believe it could never happen here? I am not so sure. Anything can happen. And Arroyo is nuts to think it will bring peace. It only confirms that violence and terror achieve results.

Oh, I'll never say "never". I was just saying that we've usually been more civilized.

Actually, I fear for my country, and for the world, if the spread of Islam is not held in check. Which means, realistically, wiping it out. I do not know how to do that, short of a world-wide religious war. I am not prepared to suggest that's the only or best way, but I know of nothing else. Certainly, appeasement with land only encourages the spread.

17 posted on 01/10/2008 1:21:20 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

ping


18 posted on 01/10/2008 1:21:48 AM PST by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: bruinbirdman
I like to look on the bright side also. If you get them all in one place it makes carpet bombing easier. Does anybody believe they wouldn't be at war with the other state within a year? Just give them a state, start a war, decimate them. Problem solved.

I like Tancredo's idea. Attack America, we bomb Mecca. Easy to understand, simple to execute, and the rags have to watch out for their own.

19 posted on 01/10/2008 1:55:32 AM PST by chuckles
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To: camerakid400
Anywhere these people take a squat they claim as holy land, capitulating will only bring more strife.

Land for "peace", robs the actual owners of the land, displaces law abiding citizens and creats more refugees.

It will never be enough and any form of giving in just encourages them, it's like staking a wounded goat in the woods.....it draws wolves and they have no mercy.

20 posted on 01/10/2008 2:17:44 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: camerakid400

This is stupid, stupid, stupid. Does the government there seriously believe that giving away part of their country to a radical terrorist religious/political system (since obviously, sharia and the whole theocratic structure will be implemented in that territory) is going to do anything but embolden them? Now the Muslims will feel that they have won and the entire country is within their grasp. Now the massive bloodshed will really begin, and before too long, the Philippines will be like Pakistan.

There’s no reason or excuse for Arroyo to give part of her country to Islam. They don’t need a special territory; they can live anywhere they want now, peacefully, just like any other Filipino. But that’s not in the nature of Islam, which never lives any place peacefully. Arroyo has blood on her hands for doing this.


21 posted on 01/10/2008 2:25:25 AM PST by livius
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To: camerakid400

This just proves that moslems do not want to intigrate or assimilate; that they are insular and insolent; that they are not capable of living with or around others. They will pull this ploy wherever they are, and the PI’s caving into them just encourages more such demands and threats in other parts of the world.


22 posted on 01/10/2008 3:20:31 AM PST by ought-six
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To: dayglored

islam is the worst ideology ever to raise its ugly head in the history of this planet. Nazism, communism, fascism, et als are almost benign when compared with islam.


23 posted on 01/10/2008 3:25:44 AM PST by ought-six
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To: camerakid400
Un-freakin believable.

My 1st thoughts also.

24 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:12 AM PST by PGalt
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To: camerakid400

MILF jokes aside if any non-Muslim Phillipinos live in the proposed Muslim homeland you better pack your bags and get out now while you still can.


25 posted on 01/10/2008 5:01:43 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: ought-six

At least the laws of Nazism, Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Socialism, Despotism, etc. (and some of these overlap) can be CHANGED.

The Imam will tell you that there is no debating the laws of Islam. If Mohammed made it so (like slavery), there is no questioning the wisdom of Mohammed. “Off with your head”, said the Queen of Hearts.


26 posted on 01/10/2008 5:56:50 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: ought-six

It is about expanding the Islamic Empire. The one with a segregated capital city named Mecca that will kill any non-muslim who dares set foot there. The one every muslim bows to 5 times a day every day and never speaks out about.

How’s that for moderation?


27 posted on 01/10/2008 5:58:12 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: chuckles

Only Wahhabi terrorists are allowed to seize Mecca without any blowback (in fact it is because they did this in the 1970s that the Saudis fund Wahhabism around the world today).


28 posted on 01/10/2008 6:00:25 AM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy in 2008.)
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To: ought-six
Sorta makes the Bible prophesies come to light when it talks of killing 1/3 of the population. Nazi's and Commies only killed a few million.

Any numerologists out there make Obama into 666 yet? They already did for Reagan and Bush by this point in the election.

29 posted on 01/10/2008 7:21:15 AM PST by chuckles
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To: ought-six
islam is the worst ideology ever to raise its ugly head in the history of this planet. Nazism, communism, fascism, et als are almost benign when compared with islam.

Exactly. The greatest anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-individual, anti-life collective in the history of civilization.

30 posted on 01/10/2008 11:42:32 AM PST by PGalt
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To: lonevoice

Kind of makes me sorry that I ever sent a penney to help them after the tsunami wrecked havoc there a couple of years ago.


31 posted on 01/11/2008 4:31:14 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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