Skip to comments.If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?
Posted on 01/10/2008 3:40:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson
The question was posed to me last night, if the only two conservatives in the race were to drop out, leaving the hapless RINOs Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain to ward off the Evil Witch of the East then, Jim, what do we do?
Well, I think four issues that most of us conservatives will agree on that are at the top or near the top of our priority lists are National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life should be considered. We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day. Let's concentrate on National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life.
Well, I can see right off that that rules out Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, sanctuary city abortionist. At least the other three claim to be pro-life, although Romney has been a pro-choice abortionist for all of his elected history until he decided to run for president. I think Romney's pro choice, big government nanny state (RomneyCare) record gives him two big black eyes and should knock him out of any further consideration. That leaves Huckabee and McCain.
Now, all four of these guys are terrible on border security even though they're all claiming now to be border hawks. McCain led the charge for amnesty and the rest fell in line like dutiful RINO troopers. Can't really make a distinction among these guys on the border issue. All fail, though I think most conservatives would rank McCain at or near the bottom.
Guns. Rudy's definitely out. McCain's out. Romney's not much better. Guess Huckabee the big duck hunter outshoots the others in this category.
Rudy fails in all categories, McCain and Romney fail on guns, and all fail on borders. So I guess Huckabee has more to offer over the others at this point as he is at least pro-life and pro-gun.
Now comes national defense. Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11. The "gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military" Romney (no military or national security experience that I know of) doesn't give me goosebumps either.
So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.
Here's praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod.
Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!
We ban together and take over Mexico for ourselves?
“Ron Paul is totally unqualified to be Commander-in-chief. He’s out.”
A RINO + Ron (Perot) Paul = Democrat in the White House
Just like before folks.
We vote AGAINST Hillary. That’s what we do.
The #1 role of President is Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces and that role generally has the greatest long term impact on this country second only to picking USSC Justices.
Vote RINO and split our principles.
Not an easy choice, my FRiend.
Huckabee is a likable fellow but he would need an Evelyn Woods crash course in Foreign Policy to have any chance of a successful Presidency.
It would be bleak. McCain/Huckabee could work. Huckabee for the socom issues... McCain for foreign policy. Assuming we won’t be part of Mexico then.
Don't fear Rudy, he's the Man...
We are indeed in tough times Jim Rob!
I never thought it would come down to this.
Unless it becomes unlawful to carry a concealed pencil, I will hope to WRITE my choice in, but with no other option and based upon his military experience, I’d prolly have to %*$& for McCain...
Fred’s not done yet.
it may be the economy(deleted)
Based on your chart from yesterday, all except Hunter and Fred... I would have serious issues with...
Took the Fox Poll and I matched up with Hunter in views.
Praying for Fred, we NEED him in AND to win!
FRED THOMPSON - NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERIENCE (Ill protect the American people and American values, whatever it takes to stop the Islamic-Fascists including water-boarding!) - 2ND AMENDMENT ADVOCATE (Individual rights to protect their homes and property!)
INCREASE THE MILITARYS STRENGTH AND SIZE (Diplomacy through Strength and verification!)
SECURE AND SEAL THE BORDERS (Dont give sanctuary anywhere to illegals; dont employ illegals; dont rent to illegals; dont extend credit to illegals; dont give illegals rights they have no right to; report all crimes committed by illegals to ICE and immediately deport those illegals who have already committed crimes against America!) LAW AND ORDER (Enforcement of our current laws regarding illegal immigration!) DENY FEDERAL DOLLARS TO SANCTUARY CITIES (Enough is enough!)
CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES FOR SUPREMES (Great progress has been made on the Supreme Court in Bushs term. FRED was asked by President Bush to spirit Justice Roberts through the confirmation process. The next President will probably have the opportunity to seat two additional Justices. This is huge folks. FRED will nominate Justices who will interpret the Constitution, not create rights that simply do not exist and legislate from the bench!) PRO-LIFE ADVOCATE (will strive to nominate superior Justices with the eventual goal of overturning Roe vs Wade)
THOMPSON PLAN TO REDUCE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING (Check out his detailed plan to reduce Federal spending!)
SOCIAL SECURITY REFORMER (Social Security is an entitlement program that will soon overtake the budget. The program cant sustain itself and will bankrupt future generations; FRED has detailed proposals to save Social Security and provide the added benefit of private savings accounts for younger workers!)
DEFEAT ANY DEMOCRAT OR RINO (Close your eyes and imagine the first debate between FRED THOMPSON and ANY liberal DemocRAT they put up?)
TAX SIMPLIFICATION (Reform and perhaps eliminate the IRS with a variety of choice for the tax payer!)
EDUCATION (Return education to the States. It is that simple. The NEA is the greatest enemy of our educational system!)
WONT PUT UP WITH TRUTH MANIPULATION FROM THE DB-MSM (including stupid questions by liberal moderators, and purchased political pundits)
FRED THOMPSON IS THE WE THE PEOPLE CANDIDATE (We the People asked him to set aside his personal life and step up one more time for his Country and he stepped up!)
THIRD IN IOWA, SECOND IN WYOMING (MSM still calling it a tie with McCains name in the lead FoxNews wont even mention his name if they can find a way to avoid it!)
TOTAL DELIGATES: 6 “FRED” ain’t DEAD, enough said!
Just get the word out on Fred Thompson as much as you can, people will ‘come around’! :^)
Guiliani - bad
McCain - a disgrace
Huckabee - oh boy don’t get me started
Thompson and Hunter - campaigns are going nowhere fast
Although Romney isn’t perfect he is definitely the best of the pack. I think conservatives need to start getting behind Romney - at least the party would be intact..If McCain or Guiliani or Huckabee gets control the GOP will be lost in the wilderness.
We hold our noses, and rally behind the Republican banner, and vote AGAINST Hillary, whether we like it or not.
We’ve already seen what the cost of “Staying home to prove a point” can cost. I, for one, would rather not subject my children to that nightmare...
Hold my nose. Vote. Puke. In that order.
If the latter, on to Fred for me.
If that fails, then a long period of quiet thinking, which will probably result in a vote for the Conservative Alternative rather than for either of the two Democrats in the General Election in November.
No. Fred is not done.
Support Fred now while there is till time to make a difference in this race.
We have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
What the hell is going on?!!!
“Here’s praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod. “
Duncan Hunter says he is staying for the long haul-through the apparently brokered convention.
That about sums it up for me. I'm done vote for nonconservatives just so another nonconservative won't win. Our party just becomes more and more like their party each time we buy into this.
The way McCain and Huckabee have been working together...and considering how much the MSM loves them both, I think we’re being set up for a McCain/Huckabee ticket.
And, words fail me.
At last...common ground.
I love Fred as well, but I will not be a whiny crybaby and stay home so the Marxist pig Hillary can stroll in the WH, as some have stated they will. It’s all about defeating her.
Then I will not vote Nov. 8, even one of the two is on the VP ticket..
Since yesterday I’ve made deals with two Thompson supporters. I’ve donated a little to the Thompson campaign in return for a matched donations to the Hunter campaign.
They’re clearly the two best conservatives in the race and this way I can cover my bases without dropping support for my guy.
We need to go all out for Fred.
Pray Fred and/or Hunter go the distance.
Until then, I’m not speculating nor do I want to think about the choices without them...
Dude!!! That's not a bad idea! It's warm there, no winters. Half of them are here and the military's corrupt. We could bribe them out of fighting back with just pocket change. It's not illegal for us as US citizens to plot to overthrow their government, so we can discuss it openly and plan thoroughly.
I’ll FRink to that.
AMNESTY IS FOREVER
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) bill [S. 2611] that passed in the Senate in 2006 with the support of Presidential candidates Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain contained provisions that would have legalized the status of the overwhelming majority of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country, i.e., amnesty, and provided them with a path to citizenship. The House never voted on the bill and it died.
Undaunted, in 2007 Senators McCain and Kennedy together with a small group of other senators circumvented the normal committee debate process and introduced directly into the Senate for a vote another CIR bill [S. 1348] that actually expanded the number of illegal aliens who would be rewarded with amnesty beyond the 2006 bill. They would be allowed to stay and work here after meeting certain conditions, e.g., pay fines, learn to speak English, understand American civics, etc., that mirrored similar provisions contained in the 1986 amnesty bill. And, as was the case in 1986, the illegal aliens would be offered a path to citizenship. The major difference is that President Reagan called the 1986 bill what it was, a one-time amnesty. The proponents of the proposed 2007 McCain-Kennedy CIR bill denied, and continue to deny, that their bill is amnesty.
The American people were not fooled by the Orwellian use of language to disguise what was being proposed. Despite strong-arm tactics to limit debate and amendments and to force a hurried vote, the 2007 CIR bill was defeated procedurally due to an unprecedented [and huge] public outcry that clearly had an effect on Senators votes. The American people have spoken, but Presidential candidates Clinton, Obama, Edwards, McCain, Giuliani, and Huckabee still call for legalizing the status of most of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens, i.e., amnesty, which would be an unmitigated disaster for this country.
The irrevocable decision to legalize the status of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens would have direct and immediate consequences on the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who will be authorized entry as a result of this change of status. Robert Rector of The Heritage Foundation estimated that the 2006 CIR bill would have resulted in an additional 66 million legal immigrants over the next 20 years due to existing chain migration policies that allow legal permanent residents to sponsor family members for entry as part of family reunification. And the figure of 66 million is based on the conservative Census Bureau estimate of 11.9 million illegal aliens. and does not include the current annual intake of over a million legal immigrants. The numbers are staggering.
In analyzing the 2007 CIR bill, Rector stated, The main fiscal impact of S. 1348 will occur through two mechanisms: (1) the grant of amnesty, with accompanying access to Social Security, Medicare and welfare benefits, to 12 million illegal immigrants who are overwhelmingly low skilled; and (2) a dramatic increase in chain immigration, which will also be predominantly low skilled.
The bottom line is that high school dropouts are extremely expensive to U.S. taxpayers. It does not matter whether the dropout comes from Ohio, Tennessee, or Mexico. It does matter that the Senate immigration bill would increase the future flow of poorly educated immigrants into the U.S. and grant amnesty and access to government benefits to millions of poorly educated illegal aliens already here. Such legislation would inevitably impose huge costs on U.S. taxpayers. Heritage research has concluded that the cost of amnesty alone will be $2.6 trillion once the amnesty recipients reach retirement age.
In 1986 the U. S. Government estimated that one million people would apply for amnesty. The number turned out to be 2.7 million. If the current number of illegal aliens is closer to the 2005 Bear-Stearns report estimate of 20 million, the demographic and economic impact of amnesty will be exponentially greater than that estimated for an illegal alien population of 12 million. Without having reliable data on how many illegal aliens are in the country, it would be totally irresponsible to pass legislation that would grant legal status to untold millions regardless of the numbers. It is not the way to make good public policy.
President Reagans Attorney General, Ed Meese, stated, The lesson from the 1986 experience is that such an amnesty did not solve the problem. There was extensive document fraud, and the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there was a failure of political will to enforce new laws against employers. After a brief slowdown, illegal immigration returned to high levels and continued unabated, forming the nucleus of todays large population of illegal aliens. So here we are, 20 years later, having much the same debate and being offered much the same deal.
Amnesty has a corrosive effect on the rule of law and is grossly unfair to the millions who have followed the rules and are waiting their turn overseas to enter legally. What kind of message does amnesty send to them and the many millions more who would like to enter the United States? Rewarding those who have entered our country illegally and broken our laws in multiple ways e.g., ID theft, tax evasion, misuse of social security numbers, etc., will just encourage more people to enter our country illegally so they can take advantage of the next amnesty.
In addition to the huge costs associated with amnesty, there are national security concerns. An amnesty will make it easier for alien terrorists to operate in the United States by allowing them to fraudulently create secure IDs with ease. We would be conferring blanket legal status to millions of unknown and unknowable persons, thereby facilitating the movement and access of terrorists who entered the country illegally.
With a stroke of a pen, the legalization of the status of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens plus the tens of millions more who will join them later legallywill have a profound and negative impact on this country for many generations to come. The efforts of state and local governments to control and limit the costs associated with illegal immigration would be undone overnight. And the burden on the taxpayer will increase. Amnesty is not an action that can be taken lightly or be reversed. Amnesty is forever.
Sorry, but I don’t “settle” And although I’m willing to compromise, not with my principles thank you!. I intend to cast my vote for Fred, even if I have to write it in...
In that scenario, I’m an undervote on the POTUS line.
We ban together and take over Mexico for ourselves?
Maybe make our last stand in Montana
You’ll all take notice that the PARTY itself (The RNC) seems to be sitting this one out??
Other than a few attacks on “Democrats” in general, they really are not supporting any one candidate as a whole, while on the Democrat side, they seem to be doing EVERYTHING to make sure Hillary gets the nomination...
In 200, GW was the “Chosen” of the Party elites, while this time, it seems they have no favorite.
THIS IS A GOOD THING...
“Vote third party and split the ticket. Hitlery wins.
Vote RINO and split our principles.”
I just cannot split my principles anymore.
If a RINO wins, the dims win, also.