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Fred Thompson, Huckabee Clash at Debate
http://www.newsmax.com ^ | Jan 11,2008 | http://www.newsmax.com

Posted on 01/11/2008 10:34:38 AM PST by Maelstorm

Fred Thompson, Huckabee Clash at Debate

Fred Thompson went on the attack against Mike Huckabee at Thursday’s Republican presidential debate, sharply criticizing the candidate he clearly sees as a rival for the evangelical vote in South Carolina.

In the debate sponsored by Fox News and the South Carolina Republican Party, the heated exchange went like this:

THOMPSON: “This is a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party and its future. On the one hand, you have the Reagan revolution. You have the Reagan coalition of limited government and strong national security.

“On the other hand, you have the direction that Governor Huckabee would take us in. He would be a Christian leader, but he would also bring about liberal economic policies, liberal foreign policies.

“He believes we have an arrogant foreign policy and the tradition of, blame America first.

“He believes that Guantanamo should be closed down and those enemy combatants brought here to the United States to find their way into the court system eventually.

“He believes in taxpayer-funded programs for illegals, as he did in Arkansas.

“He has the endorsement of the National Education Association, and the NEA said it was because of his opposition to vouchers.

“He said he would sign a bill that would ban smoking nationwide. So much for federalism. So much for states' rights. So much for individual rights.

“That's not the model of the Reagan coalition, that's the model of the Democratic Party.”

HUCKABEE: “The Air Force has a saying that says that if you're not catching flak, you're not over the target. I'm catching the flak, I must be over the target.

“Fred, I want to say, I appreciate the analysis of my record, but let me try to give you some of the facts of my record.

“I came into Arkansas as a governor. Put in that position as a lieutenant governor when my predecessor, a Democrat, was forced out of office on a felony conviction.

“I did something that had not been done in my state in 160 years. I cut taxes, with the legislature working with me, and we continued to do that 94 times.

“We cut spending. I'll tell you, the most painful time of my being a governor in 10 1/2 years was looking at a budget 91 percent of which was pretty well fixed on education, Medicaid, and prisons -- and cutting 11 percent out of that budget…

“Everywhere I went, I had people protesting me and screaming and yelling and doing demonstrations because I cut government. But I stayed faithful to the things that Ronald Reagan stayed faithful to.

“You know, if Ronald Reagan were running tonight, there would be ads by the Club for Growth running against him because he raised taxes a billion dollars in his first year as governor of California. It would be $10 billion today.”

Thompson and Huckabee did agree later in the debate that the commander of a U.S. Navy ship did the right thing by choosing not to fire on Iranian boats that were harassing American vessels in the Strait of Hormuz earlier in the week.

Thompson quipped about the Iranians: “I think one more step and they would have been introduced to those virgins that they’re looking forward to seeing.”

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.


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KEYWORDS: clash; huckabee; sc2008; thompson
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Fred Thompson wins SC Debate & Provides Huckabee a Smackdown

www.fred08.com

We are at $668,776! Let the Fredvolution begin!

1 posted on 01/11/2008 10:34:39 AM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Glad to see Fred come alive.

He’ll be getting my Texan vote regardless of how he does in SC or anywhere else ... but, it finally appears that there is a conservative in the Republican race.

Go, Fred, Go!

H


2 posted on 01/11/2008 10:42:52 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: Maelstorm

Notice that, in his response, Huckabee didn’t actually address a single point that Fred Thompson mentioned. Not one.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 10:43:13 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: Maelstorm

GO FRED! GO!!


4 posted on 01/11/2008 10:43:28 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fredhead and proud of it!)
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To: All
MIKE HUCKABEE

- Pro-Life
- Pro-1st Amendment
- Pro-2nd Amendment
- Pro-10th Amendment
- Pro-Sovereignty, Anti-Globalism
- Pro-Israel (no land giveaways)
- Pro-Marriage
- Pro-Overwhelming Defense
- Pro-Border Security & Immigration Enforcement
- Small Government Fiscal Conservative
- Pro-American Business
- Pro-Opportunity
- Pro-Wage Earner
- Pro-Tax Reform
- Pro-Personal Investment
- Pro-Individual Healthcare Empowerment
- Pro-Private/Home Education

It would be shameful not to back him up vs. Fred Thompson's political buddy, John McCain.

5 posted on 01/11/2008 10:44:03 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Maelstorm
And Huckster didn't respond to ANY of what Fred said. He just went on with his normal talking points.

Anyone, EVERYONE who watched the debate last night should be VERY afraid if the Huckster gets close to the nomination.

6 posted on 01/11/2008 10:45:44 AM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: unspun
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7 posted on 01/11/2008 10:47:26 AM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee’s foreign policy experience consists of eating at the International House of Pancakes.)
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To: Maelstorm

Anyone else notice Fred’s attack after his rant on Huck. Maybe he shouldn’t get so fired up.


8 posted on 01/11/2008 10:54:31 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: unspun

Huck sucks


9 posted on 01/11/2008 10:56:31 AM PST by DC Ripper
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To: unspun

If Huckabee were pro-home school/private schools I can’t imagine that the NEA would be supporting him. They believe home schooling is child abuse.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 10:57:30 AM PST by Vor Lady (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: unspun

Huckabee - another “Man from Hope”. Where have we heard that before?


11 posted on 01/11/2008 10:59:15 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: Hemorrhage

Oh man, I am with you on that. Fred will get my vote and those of my entire family - I make sure of that.


12 posted on 01/11/2008 11:06:31 AM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It was a response he had memorized in advance. It was a deer-in-the-headlights moment.


13 posted on 01/11/2008 11:07:22 AM PST by Petronski (Slick Willard is just McCain's stalking horse. There's a corrupt bargain afoot.)
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To: unspun

The Huckster is a fool. Bringing the Gitmo prisoners to American soil is a ludicrous idea, profoundly ignorant of the change that would make. He’s a big nanny state socialist who happens to be right on abortion.

Whoo hooo! He got one right!


14 posted on 01/11/2008 11:09:15 AM PST by Petronski (Slick Willard is just McCain's stalking horse. There's a corrupt bargain afoot.)
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To: Petronski

The SCOTUS has ruled — no diff if the terrorists are in Leavenworth or Gitmo.


15 posted on 01/11/2008 11:11:05 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

No they haven’t.

That’s the problem with Team Huckster: you don’t understand the issues at hand.

He’s completely ignorant of foreign policy. It’s scary, actually.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 11:14:19 AM PST by Petronski (Slick Willard is just McCain's stalking horse. There's a corrupt bargain afoot.)
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To: unspun

I might back him vs. McCain. I cannot back him vs. Thompson.

Also ... some of your “pro” list is a little questionable.

Huck is a good man and a good Christian, but he’s not conservative.

H


17 posted on 01/11/2008 11:16:37 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: unspun

I’ll pick one: Pro-10th Amendment?


18 posted on 01/11/2008 11:18:28 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
I’ll pick one: Pro-10th Amendment?

Just spend a little time examining what Huckabee has written and said.

FReepers: would you like to take some time reading and listening to Mike Huckabee, instead of drinking the Kool-Aid?

It's http://www.mikehuckabee.com

19 posted on 01/11/2008 11:21:09 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

Why should we bother reading what he says now when we’ve already seen what he did in Arkansas? Huckabee claiming to be a conservative is like Hillary saying she is the most innocent Democrat!


20 posted on 01/11/2008 11:23:32 AM PST by nhoward14 (Fred Thompson will get it DUN DUN in 2008!)
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To: Pistolshot
Of course this morning, (and not to FT’s face), Huck slammed him as being to old, (needing Medimusal).

Such a mature attitude, for a CIC want-a-be.

21 posted on 01/11/2008 11:28:35 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: unspun

Hillary say the same thing.

How is he on immigration, revamping SS, government spending and entitlements? He is not conservative, he is a moderate democrat that sees a party in distress and an opportunity.


22 posted on 01/11/2008 11:29:20 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: roses of sharon

I think the next debate they are at Fred should bring a case of Metamusil for the Huckster and tell him he is going to need to keep up with him.


23 posted on 01/11/2008 11:35:49 AM PST by Pistolshot (Those with a lively sense of curiosity learn something new every day of their lives.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Notice that, in his response, Huckabee didn’t actually address a single point that Fred Thompson mentioned. Not one.

I noticed that at the time,too. Hopefully, we're not the only two who did.

24 posted on 01/11/2008 11:43:32 AM PST by wbill
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To: Resolute Conservative

Keep drinking the curmudgeon-conservative kool-aid, if you like.


25 posted on 01/11/2008 11:43:38 AM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

You’re as nuts as Huck and McCain.


26 posted on 01/11/2008 11:44:34 AM PST by rintense (Thompson / Hunter 2008!)
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To: wbill

Your not...


27 posted on 01/11/2008 11:44:44 AM PST by LRS (It's time to put Hillary on the 3:10 to Yuma...)
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To: Maelstorm
The next time Huck spouts the line, "well, I must have been doing a good job because they kept electing me," Fred needs to come back with a statement like,

"Of course they kept electing you!. You were a Republican governing just like a Democrat in a majority Democrat state. That doesn't bolster your conservative credentials at all."

28 posted on 01/11/2008 11:45:18 AM PST by CA Conservative
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To: unspun

Huckleberry’s record doesn’t square with your claim that he supports most of those positions.


29 posted on 01/11/2008 11:48:45 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: unspun

You just keep on spamming that laughable list on every thread you see.


30 posted on 01/11/2008 11:49:58 AM PST by xjcsa (Ethanol: burning poor people's food to save them from a bogus problem.)
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To: unspun
I will agree with some of your points, but not with others.

Pro-border security and immigration enforcement? Not according to his record.
Small government fiscal conservative? Try again...
Pro private/home education? Then why is the NEA for him and the HSDLA against him?

I like Huckabee's positions on life, marriage and RKBA, but he is at best a moderate on fiscal issues, questionable on immigration issues, and an unknown quantity on national security. I am not for McCain either.

31 posted on 01/11/2008 11:50:32 AM PST by CA Conservative
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To: unspun

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1952131/posts

Barnett’s debate analysis is astute and correct: Fred is very skilled and has great command of the issues, except he was attacking someone who is even better. Huckabee is exceptional whose package of skills is often sold short.

1st: Huckabee: Credible Commander In Chief. It was not only possible but easy to imagine Huckabee as the leader of 300 million people. Tonight heralded the arrival of Mike Huckabee as a force in this race. Not a spoiler, not a wildcard, but a force.

2nd: Thompson second. Fred really has a great command of the issues. His comments on the economy were cogent and well-informed. He gets bonus points because his observations don’t seem like the product of pre-debate cramming. Problem is, Fred was attacking an exceptionally skilled politician [Huckabee is exceptional whose package of skills is often sold short]

John McCain == strange pleasure in being his own worst enemy

Giuliani == utterly irrelevant

Romney == invisible,hardly anything original or inspiring

Ron Paul == Washington Generals.


32 posted on 01/11/2008 11:50:44 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: Vor Lady

He is pro-home school and anti voucher. I am the same way, we home school and before that we sent our children to the parochial school.

I am against vouchers (was in favor of them up to about a year ago) because of what has happened in Great Britain.

I do not want ANY goverenment dollars flowing to private schools. I would rather see a tax credit for parents who do not send their children to public schools at a rate the voucher would be for.

It could even be the earned income type credit which can result in a tax return even when tax paid is 0.


33 posted on 01/11/2008 11:54:18 AM PST by CTK YKC
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To: unspun
Just spend a little time examining what Huckabee has written and said.

I've spent quite a bit of time doing exactly that; plus I've met the man in person. He even spoke in person at my caucus site last week here in Iowa. And I'm not buying him as a conservative. He's a pro-life, pro-family John Edwards.

34 posted on 01/11/2008 11:54:41 AM PST by xjcsa (Ethanol: burning poor people's food to save them from a bogus problem.)
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To: Vor Lady

Huckabee supports the National Service Academy a training ground for liberal bureaucrats on our dime:

Academy ‘08
Arkansas Governor and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee met with Academy Co-Founder Chris Myers Asch in Iowa in August. “This is a great idea!” Gov. Huckabee exclaimed. “I wish I’d thought of it.”

Huckabee is the third presidential candidate to publicly endorse the Academy, joining Democrats Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Biden are co-sponsors of the U.S. Public Service Academy Act in the Senate.

http://www.uspublicserviceacademy.org/08/

Of course the NEA would love it. Free school for libs!


35 posted on 01/11/2008 11:54:57 AM PST by keepitreal
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To: CA Conservative

Huckabee is mischaracterized as liberal on economic issues.
Huckabee gets negative press for the sales tax going up. I have much less issue sales taxes esp at the state level then I do with income taxes, as sales taxes are voluntary and income taxes are not. Taxing work/productivity/income is evil. Income taxes/property taxes/estate taxes are central the tenants of marxism, sales taxes are not.

Huckabee’s positives on taxes:

Pushed through a Democrat legislature the first, major broad based tax cuts in the state’s history (168 years)

Pushed through a Democrat legislature an $80 million tax cut package.

Cut the state’s capital gains tax by 25%.

Established a Property Taxpayers’ Bill of Rights

Limited the increase in property taxes to 10% a year for individuals and 5% per taxing unit

Eliminated the income tax for families below the poverty line.

Increased the standard deductions.

Eliminated the marriage penalty.

Eliminated bracket creep by indexing the income taxes to inflation, thereby preventing taxpayers from moving into a higher bracket when their paychecks increase due to inflations.

Doubled the child care tax credit.

Eliminated capital gains tax on the sale of a home.


36 posted on 01/11/2008 11:59:41 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: unspun

The Huckster sure wasn’t very “Pro-Border Security & Immigration Enforcement” when he was Arkansas governor. His record and his stump speech do not match.


37 posted on 01/11/2008 12:12:40 PM PST by DFG
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To: Maelstorm
As a senator he did not author an immigration bill, pro life bill nor a tax cut. He had his chance as a senator and blew it.
38 posted on 01/11/2008 12:16:25 PM PST by tongass kid
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To: Maelstorm

One has to look at Huckabee’s electability. He borders on promoting theocracy - wanting to impose certain Evangelical Christian religious principles on people nationally. That will scare the you know what out of moderates, liberals and the urban/suburban voters. I could see any non-Evangelical urban/suburban woman opening their eyes quite wide at the statement about the duty of subordination to one’s spouse.

Fred, on the other hand, promoted federalism, which moves the issues of the predominance of any codified moral principles to the state and local level. It allows for at least some areas to run by different rules and regional cultural expression.


39 posted on 01/11/2008 12:20:49 PM PST by marsh2
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To: unspun

Ban on smoking, supports the federal drug war (but Fred does too), federal funds for fatherhood initiatives, low-income energy and other things.


40 posted on 01/11/2008 12:26:30 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: unspun

Conservative, reality kool-aid is better than RINO s_it flavored kool-aid any day.


41 posted on 01/11/2008 12:46:30 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative; All

Huckabee raps Thompson on Reagan comment

Associated Press - January 11, 2008 3:34 PM ET

DETROIT (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee is criticizing rival Fred Thompson, saying he wasn’t always supportive of Ronald Reagan.

Thompson had questioned Huckabee’s commitment to the Reagan Revolution during yesterday’s debate, calling his opponent a liberal on economic issues and foreign policies.

Huckabee said during a news conference today in Detroit that Thompson had supported Gerald Ford in 1976 and Howard Baker in 1980, not Reagan.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=7612002&nav=0RbQ


42 posted on 01/11/2008 12:50:32 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: unspun

A change of heart after 20 years is okay, but a flip flop during the primary isn’t.

I supported DH before FDT so?


43 posted on 01/11/2008 12:52:13 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Maelstorm

Fred gets my Virginia primary vote, PERIOD.

Fred is the only conservative in the field! The rest are a waste of time, and each one takes Th United States further into a socialist state. Not much diference from a democrat.


44 posted on 01/11/2008 12:52:50 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Petronski

Who am I? Why am I here?


45 posted on 01/11/2008 12:54:47 PM PST by RockinRight (Huck(abee, not the Freeper Huck) Sucks.)
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To: RockinRight

Precisely.


46 posted on 01/11/2008 12:55:27 PM PST by Petronski (Slick Willard is just McCain's stalking horse. There's a corrupt bargain afoot.)
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To: Maelstorm

Fred demanded 90 seconds when Carl wanted to only give Fred 30 seconds of rebuttal time. WTH is Fox doing!!!!!

Fred does not mess with the media. He has the balls of Reagan, that’s for sure.

Go Fred!


47 posted on 01/11/2008 12:57:25 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: FreedomProtector
1st: Huckabee: Credible Commander In Chief.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh gosh, you're killing me, FP!

48 posted on 01/11/2008 1:05:04 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religious freedom!)
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To: FreedomProtector

Huckabee supports a federal anti-smoking bill. When asked about taxes, replied, “What I raised in Arkansas was hope”. He wants to close Gitmo to make the euro-weenies happy. He promotes energy independence in 8 years, which would require massive government intervention. His record on illegal immigration would qualify him for President - of Mexico.

And he is absolutely clueless about foreign affairs.


49 posted on 01/11/2008 1:10:17 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religious freedom!)
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To: Mr Rogers

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/CampaignStandard/2008/01/barnett_a_big_night_for_huckab_1.asp

Dean Barnett:
For the first time in this campaign, Huckabee looked like a credible commander in chief when the conversation turned to those Iranian speedboats. His normal joviality vanished, replaced by an appropriate gravity.

Then he got even better. He seized on a characteristic piece of Ron Paul idiocy to give a spirited speech defending America’s commitment to Israel. Again, he looked credible as a commander in chief.

For the first time, it was not only possible but easy to imagine Huckabee as the leader of 300 million people. He combined this newfound authority with his old standbys of off-the-charts likability and a deft way of tapping into aspirational politics.


50 posted on 01/11/2008 1:20:12 PM PST by FreedomProtector
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