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The Bush Scroll
The Temple Institute ^ | January 6, 2008 | The Temple Institute-Jerusalem

Posted on 01/11/2008 11:16:49 AM PST by richardtavor

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28 Tevet, 5768 / January 6, 2008

In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God

To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush, President of the United States of America,

Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!

Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!

Upon your arrival in Jerusalem you have the ability to make a declaration, as did Cyrus, King of Persia - whose memory is honored - who in the year 538 BCE returned the exiled nations to their lands and recognized the full right of the Jewish people to reestablish their Holy Temple, the "house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7), and called upon them to return to their land,

And in the manner of Lord James Balfour of England, who in 1917, called upon the Jews to reestablish a national homeland in the Land of Israel.

And thus if you truly desire peace and benevolence, and you would be counted in the company of the truly righteous, we call upon you to declare to all the world:

The Land of Israel was bequeathed to the nation of Israel by the Creator of the world. Neither could I, as a son of my faith, nor the Muslims according to their faith, ever take away even the slightest grain from the Eternal's gift, which He gave to His people Israel, the eternal people. Thus I call upon all the nations to save themselves from certain doom, to return and recognize That this land is the exclusive rightful inheritance of the people of Israel, as is written in the Torah of Israel, which constitutes the very foundation of our faith, as well as that of Islam; and is the basis for the decisions of the community of nations. He who denies this truth endangers all life on earth.

I shall dedicate all my strength and resources towards settling the Jewish people throughout their entire land. I shall greatly encourage and empower the Jews all over the world to rise up to the Land of Israel and to settle it, to establish God's sanctuary in Jerusalem, to distance strangers from it and thus, I believe, I will be making a major contribution towards world peace.

I cannot simultaneously support the establishment of a foreign state for an alien nation in the Land of Israel, and I will not lend my hand to this wrong.

Or - Heaven forbid - you can choose the second option - to willfully aid in the destruction, under the guise of peace!

You certainly know what the God of Israel did to Egypt and Assyria and to all Israel's enemies from time immemorial: Do you imagine that you will be able to save yourself if you have come to implement a plan that intends to steal the land of "the people that survived the sword" (Jeremiah 31:1), and to cut off those who survived the Holocaust, to rob the land that was given to them by the Creator?

All of the peace treaties and initiatives which have been based upon the decisions of the government of Israel, indeed the entire Oslo process, and the 'Disengagement,' and the establishment of a terrorist state within the Land of Israel known as 'Palestine' - regrettably, all of these agreements are the result of a lack of sufficient faith in the Divine promises that the Lord made to the patriarchs of our nation, and all that is written in the Torah of Israel. Understand this well: the nations of the world cannot excuse their actions and their decisions on account of the weakness of Israel and her government. God ordained that the role of the nations of the world is to strengthen the nation of Israel. This will benefit all humanity and bring about world peace, as the prophets have foretold.

Do you imagine you can escape from the struggles in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, by offering up sacrifices of the Jews who are slaughtered daily by their enemies who speak of peace but live by the sword?

Upon your arrival in our land we would anticipate that you bring Jonathan Pollard home with you. Bring him home to Israel. He is an emissary of the State of Israel, and he acted on behalf of our people. Authorize his immediate release while you are yet in Jerusalem, before you return to the United States. This will be a positive step that will build confidence.

Remember our forefather Abraham, who pursued the world's four greatest kings in order to redeem his nephew from captivity. We cannot forget the deeds of our patriarchs, whose example guides us through every generation.

We are the loyal representatives of the Jewish people, the New Jewish Congress, and its court of law, the Sanhedrin, as well as the Temple and Temple Mount movements, but we merely reiterate herein what is public knowledge.

No government in Israel and no representative of the Jewish people has the power or right to alter, by even the slightest degree, our covenant with God and the words of our holy Torah, which are everlasting, as expressed by the prophets of Israel and even by the wicked prophet Balaam: "Then he looked on Amalek, and uttered his oracle, saying: 'First among the nations was Amalek, but its end is to perish for ever' (Numbers 24:20). Thus any desire, plan or agreement that challenges the eternal sovereignty and active possession of the nation of Israel over her entire land is utterly worthless, and has no basis in reality.

Therefore it behooves you to declare: "I, George Bush, Commander in Chief of the armies of the United States of America, will instruct all of my troops to protect the Divine rights of the nation of Israel, and remove from her any threat."

Before you is a choice: You can merit to eternal life, or be inscribed for eternal disgrace. Your fate and that of all those with you hangs in the balance of the destiny of our land.

"and you shall choose life!" (Deut. 30:19).

In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people

Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz The Sanhedrin

Dr. Gadi Eshel The New Jewish Congress

Rabbi Chaim Richman The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements

1 posted on 01/11/2008 11:16:51 AM PST by richardtavor
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To: richardtavor

The President is dealing with forces that he doesn’t quite understand.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 11:17:55 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: richardtavor
I believe we are getting closer to everything happening within the "twinkling of an eye"!

bush is going back to Israel in May to mark 14 May 1948

things are heating up my friends...

3 posted on 01/11/2008 11:21:43 AM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: richardtavor

Amazing how that temple keeps being destroyed ...


4 posted on 01/11/2008 11:22:05 AM PST by JmyBryan
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To: richardtavor

Where do you find the text of the scroll? I do not see it at the link provided.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 11:22:12 AM PST by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: richardtavor

Agreed. With respect to your President, in this matter he’s a bit like the French archaeologist in “Raiders of the Lost Ark”.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 11:22:17 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Salem; F15Eagle; T.L.Sink; 444Flyer; M. Espinola; Alouette; Yehuda; Nachum; SunkenCiv; ...

Check this out - ping!


7 posted on 01/11/2008 11:25:11 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: The Lumster

http://www.templeinstitute.org/events.htm


8 posted on 01/11/2008 11:25:35 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

I agree, that meeting in Annapolis, and this meeting, and another in the spring, something is up.


9 posted on 01/11/2008 11:26:56 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: The Lumster

After you enter, you have to go to Events (listed at top) and scroll down to the message. Let me know if you still can’t find it.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 12:25:16 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: agere_contra
With respect to your President, in this matter he’s a bit like the French archaeologist in “Raiders of the Lost Ark”.

Belloq: "Jones, do you realize what the Ark is? It's a transmitter. It's a radio for speaking to GOD! And it is within my reach!"

Indiana Jones: [pulling gun] "You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do..."

Latter day version:

Bush: "Bibi, don't you realize that the Road Map To Peace IS?!? It's a way of implementing God's WILL and making PEACE! And it is within our reach!"

Netanyahu: "You don't make peace by getting into bed with terrorists, you nit wit."
11 posted on 01/11/2008 12:28:52 PM PST by mkjessup (Where's Duncan Hunter you ask? BLACKLISTED for telling the truth on the "KENNEDY WING of the GOP!")
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To: JmyBryan
Amazing how that temple keeps being destroyed ...

"keeps being" destroyed? As in many times, continuing to this day? BS.

The Temple was destroyed twice, both times because the Jews of those days did not obey the word of G-d. However, the Torah makes it clear as day that G-d made a "covenant" with the Jewish People - and a covenant cannot be overridden even if one side to a bargain chooses not to keep it. G-d doesn't lie, and G-d has stated that he will protect the Jewish People and bless those who stand with them, and curse those who stand on the other side. Check out Genesis 12:3:

And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Ask the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Spanish and Nazis how they fared after persecuting and murdering the Jews...oh, that's right, none of them exist. Those nations and empires are dust, are in History's $hitcan. But the Jews are still here. Maybe you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, but these facts should give you some pause.

12 posted on 01/11/2008 12:51:41 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Iíve joined the Frederation.)
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To: richardtavor

Thank you


13 posted on 01/11/2008 2:02:38 PM PST by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: richardtavor
The President is dealing with forces that he doesn’t quite understand.

Maybe if those forces didn't write things that look like a bad 50s Biblical screenplay gone wrong.....

14 posted on 01/11/2008 2:04:57 PM PST by r9etb
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15 posted on 01/11/2008 6:17:50 PM PST by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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To: Convert from ECUSA; F15Eagle; XeniaSt; Saoirise; Esther Ruth; American in Israel

I only have one thing to add:

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matthew 3:2

This will be a grievous sin on the President’s and our nation’s hands. The Rabbis are speaking truth from history. The Lord is neverchanging in the way he deals with Israel’s adversaries.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 6:27:16 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Ancesthntr

The current people of Egypt and Spain will no doubt be most distressed to learn of their untimely demise, lol.


17 posted on 01/11/2008 7:00:24 PM PST by Ignatz (Winner of the prestigious 1960 Y-chromosone award!)
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To: Ancesthntr

of G-d. However, the Torah makes it clear as day that G-d made a “covenant” with the Jewish People

And the NT makes it clear that that covenant is kaput, so quit making appeals to a Christian president re. your loopy obsession with sand in the Middle East.


18 posted on 01/11/2008 7:10:25 PM PST by MK11
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To: MK11

God never goes back on a promise nor does He ever break His covenants. Only man does that. I don’t read that in the New Testament. God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow.


19 posted on 01/11/2008 7:28:04 PM PST by Yankereb
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To: Ignatz

The earlier Pharonic Egyptians were completely over run by the Arabs and TROP..


20 posted on 01/11/2008 7:36:52 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Yankereb

“...I don’t read that in the New Testament.”

Paul the apostle would be rather shocked also (Romans 11). Israel is the Lord’s “First born” (Exodus 4:22)and He is far from abandoning His original chosen people. The Old Testament and New Testaments are loaded with prophecies yet to be fulfilled concerning the Jews. Every part of scripture will come to completion according to His word and for His glory.


21 posted on 01/11/2008 8:20:19 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: MK11; Ancesthntr; Yankereb; Convert from ECUSA

You can count me in as having a “loopy obsession with sand in the Middle East.” I’m assuming you mean the Nation of Israel...I won’t state all the Biblical reasons why. I won’t because I’ve found it’s a waste of time with Replacement theology types.

Anyway, setting the above aside. Only a fool would not see the need for the Jewish people to have the land that the Lord promised them. It is nothing short of a miracle that by His hand after 1900 years that the Jews who were scattered by the Romans in 70-73 A.D. leading to the diaspora which spread them throughout the world are back in their land. The diaspora lead to persecution through pogroms and culminated with the loss of 1/3 of their population in the Holocaust because of a hate of such magnitude it is incomprehensible. That ALONE is reason enough not to continue to split the land and put Jewish lives at risk and be obsessed with that “little sand in the Middle East.”


22 posted on 01/11/2008 8:54:52 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: 444Flyer

I’m sorry. I don’t think I made myself clear. I don’t believe in replacement theology. I don’t believe that God has replaced the Jewish people with “The Church”. I don’t believe that Revelations has already happened. I believe that Revelations concerns the Nation of Israel, not “The Church”. I believe in the Rapture. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me. I’ve read Romans 9-12. I think you and I agree on many things.


23 posted on 01/12/2008 12:00:18 PM PST by Yankereb
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To: Yankereb

Sorry Yankereb,

I was directing the comment about replacement theology to MK11 and I should have made that clear. Sometimes I type faster than I can think because I feel so strongly about supporting Israel according to God’s word. God bless and keep speaking the truth.

Flyer


24 posted on 01/12/2008 12:59:59 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Yankereb; Esther Ruth

(Thank you Esther Ruth!)

Yankereb, I just got this off another thread relating to the subject of Israel. Eshter Ruth had posted it. It is an excellent breakdown of the Church’s history with anti-semitism and will explain the error of replacement theology which is so prevalant in many churches today (and alot on FREEP). I found it very informative and “good ammo” so to speak when debating replacement arguments:

http://therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

God Bless and keep on praying for and blessing Israel.


25 posted on 01/12/2008 3:31:59 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Ancesthntr
Ask the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Spanish and Nazis how they fared after persecuting and murdering the Jews...oh, that's right, none of them exist.

The Spanish don't exist? Could have fooled me. . .

26 posted on 01/12/2008 3:57:16 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew (Hell exists, it is real. It's a quiet green meadow populated entirely by Arab goat herders.)
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To: MK11

A question - with whom was the new covenant to be made?


27 posted on 01/13/2008 10:57:02 AM PST by agrace
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To: richardtavor
Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west!

The Temple Institute thinks Bush is Gog?

28 posted on 01/13/2008 10:58:02 AM PST by agrace
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29 posted on 01/14/2008 6:57:05 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: agrace

How in the world they come up with the U.S.A. being the land of Magog is beyond me.


30 posted on 01/14/2008 7:07:31 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Ignatz
The current people of Egypt and Spain will no doubt be most distressed to learn of their untimely demise, lol.

The Egypt of the Pharoahs is dust, as is the Spanish Empire. The fact that some (or even most) of the people living in those geographic locations are descended from the people who lived there thousands or hundreds of years ago is irrelevant. The regimes that persecuted the Jews are dust.

LOL back at you.

31 posted on 01/14/2008 8:12:37 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Iíve joined the Frederation.)
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To: MK11
And the NT makes it clear that that covenant is kaput, so quit making appeals to a Christian president re. your loopy obsession with sand in the Middle East.

I think that Pastor John Hagee would very strongly disagree with you. Why don't you go to his website and learn a different perspective from someone who shares (at least) major portions of your faith? While I don't pretend to be any kind of authority or expert on religions of the world (esp. those not my own), the historical evidence of what has happened to those regimes that have persecuted the Jews and taken their land should at least make leaders take pause. Oh, BTW, if G-d's covenant with the Jews is gone, then why did Jesus say that it was forbidden to change one "jot or tittle" of the Torah? If it was of no importance to him, if it was a void and superceded document, why say this?

Oh, and as to "your loopy obsession with sand in the Middle East": what would you say if Mexico claimed most of the southwestern US and started sending over rockets and suicide bombers, and getting sophisticated weapons from our enemies? Methinks that you'd get a little "loopy" yourself. What if the Russians started claiming Alaska, on some specious theory that they were swindled by Seward? I guess that it just depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn't it?

What you simply do not understand is that Jews throughout history have had ONLY that little patch of land to call their own, to be relatively safe and secure in. Why is it that when Jews seek to defend their title to that land there is such incredible consternation? Why can't Jews simply be left the eff alone, why does the rest of the world have such a problem with that?

Oh, and if G-d's covenant with the Jews is gone, then why did Jesus say that it was forbidden to change one "jot or tittle" of the Torah? If it was of no importance to him, why say this?

32 posted on 01/14/2008 8:45:48 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Iíve joined the Frederation.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Amen, my friend!


33 posted on 01/14/2008 9:43:45 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: agrace

Rosh is hebrew for “head.” In Ezekiel, he speaks of the leader of the West. Many prophecy teachers have tried to force the term “rosh” into Russia, to fit their geographical impressions. Meshek is commonly misinterpreted as Moscow (which is the english version.) Actually, in Russian it is Mockva. Ezekiel never names the US, China, Japan or Germany—however, a lot of teachers have forced a modern geopgraphical interpretion.


34 posted on 01/14/2008 10:34:21 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: richardtavor

Thank you for your thoughts - I agree. From what I can tell, modern eschatology teachers seem to all be quoting each other on this one, and that their view is based on little real fact. In fact, to suggest that we can take a Hebrew word and extrapolate it to mean one that sounds similar in English is downright silly.

With regard to the chapters in Ezekiel - you said that he speaks of the leader of the West. How do you determine that, when the text tells of his coming from the “far north”?


35 posted on 01/14/2008 11:09:54 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

In Ezekiel’s day, he might have been referring to what became Greece or Turkey. I have read somethings that suggested just that. However, G-d could have certainly inspired Ezekiel to see a vision of what became Russia.


36 posted on 01/14/2008 1:08:09 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: Ancesthntr

You mentioned Matthew 5:17-20. Good point. Jesus’ top priority and ministry was to his brothers the Jews. He wept over Jerusalem for their lack of belief. He kept the Jewish festivals, he was 100% Jewish. The book of Matthew is written specifically to Jews. He certainly placed importance on His people and the nation.

It is embarassing for me as a Christian, and does not honor the Lord to see anyone acting in a superior manner when we are told to be humble (Romans 11) because we are the ones which are grafted into the olive tree and adopted sons and daughters of Yahweh and we are warned to not have false pride.

Ancesthntr, I am sorry if someone claims to be a brother or sister of mine who so blatantly disregards the scriptures and offends in this manner. Thank you for your thoughts and peace be with you.


37 posted on 01/14/2008 9:31:47 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Ancesthntr

(Just wanted to add Gentile Christians are addressed in Romans 11 concerning their salvation and what their attitude should be.):)


38 posted on 01/14/2008 10:06:23 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: 444Flyer
Ancesthntr, I am sorry if someone claims to be a brother or sister of mine who so blatantly disregards the scriptures and offends in this manner.

While I myself sometimes cringe at what others with whom I am associated say (sometimes fellow Jews, sometimes others), and I therefor understand your sentiments, it wasn't necessary for you to apologize like that (though it is appreciated). I know that lots of your fellow believers understand things as you do, and I've proudly attended the Night to Honor Israel at Pastor Hagee's church for the last 2 years. There are LOTS of good people out there of every faith, and a few that need a bit more improvement than the average person (and we all could do with a healthy dose of humility and self-examination, followed by improving our actions and words).

Peace be with you, as well.

39 posted on 01/15/2008 9:29:28 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Iíve joined the Frederation.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Thank you for your reply. Israel has many friends at this time and I hope we can all make a difference in whatever small way possible. Psalm 122. :)


40 posted on 01/15/2008 4:13:51 PM PST by 444Flyer (You can call me crazy, it's still true...Acts 26, John 3:1-36, Isaiah 34, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: richardtavor; Jeremiah Jr; Yehuda; Lijahsbubbe; Tamar; dennisw; Ancesthntr
Rosh is hebrew for "head." In Ezekiel, he speaks of the leader of the West.

ג'ורג' הרברט ווקר בוש 41

ויליאם ג'פרסון קלינטון 42

ג'ורג' ווקר בוש 43

Guess that pegs the bizarre-o-meter if 44 is

מיט ראמני

41 posted on 02/03/2008 1:33:39 AM PST by Ezekiel
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To: Jeremiah Jr; Yehuda

Come to think of it, the mem in Magog could be represented not by the first initial of the president immediately preceeding the list (R obviously doesn’t work), but his number: 40. At least that way his good name would not be associated with Gog.


42 posted on 02/03/2008 1:42:32 PM PST by Ezekiel
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To: richardtavor
Ezekiel never names the US, China, Japan or Germany—however, a lot of teachers have forced a modern geopgraphical interpretion.

Notably Hal Lindsay (and esp. with Russia..."Russia is a Gog" from "The Late, Great Planet Earth").

43 posted on 02/04/2008 8:59:06 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: MK11; Yankereb; 444Flyer; Convert from ECUSA; Alouette; richardtavor

I know it has been a while, but I’ve been pretty busy. Just a little in the way of additional comment regarding your post...You said:

“And the NT makes it clear that that covenant is kaput, so quit making appeals to a Christian president re. your loopy obsession with sand in the Middle East.”

If G-d’s covenant with the Jews is “kaput,” then nothing in the NT means anything. You see, the NT stands on the the shoulders of the Hebrew Scriptures - it claims that the son of Mary is the Endtimes Redeemer (sometimes called “Messiah” in current usage, though the term “Moschiach” from which it is derived means only “Annointed” in Hebrew, and there have been MANY such people - including all of the legitimate Kings of Judah through Zedikiah, and even a non-Jew, Cyrus the Great of Persia), and cites numerous passages and 2 (quite inconsistent) genealogies of Mary’s son that claim to link him back to King David (from whom, according to the Hebrew Scriptures, the Endtimes Redeemer MUST descend, bodily, via his paternal line).

If ANYTHING in the Hebrew Scriptures is demonstrably wrong, then the whole thing is wrong (because it is either literally the Word of G-d, or the inspired Word passed on through the Prophets - all of which the followers of Mary’s son acknowledge were inspired by G-d - or it is not, rendering it invalid as merely the works of men), which is to say invalid...and if THAT is true, what does it say about the NT? Simply put, the NT absolutely CANNOT, under any circumstances, be true if the Hebrew Scriptures are wrong or invalid.

So, how do we know that G-d’s covenant with the Jews is forever (i.e. NOT superceded or replaced)? Here are a bunch of quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures, attesting to the permanent nature of the Torah (courtesy of http://sagavyah.tripod.com/id9.html - I am not such a scholar as to know all of this off the top of my head. Please also note that I don’t claim to agree with anything else on this website OTHER THAN that which is written below):
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Psalm 111:5-9

“He has given food to those who revere Him;
He will remember His covenant forever.
He has made known to His people the power of His works,
In giving them the heritage of the nations.

The works of His hands are true and just;
All His precepts are certain.
They are upheld forever and ever;
They are carried out in truth and uprightness.

He has sent deliverance to His people;
He has ordained His covenant forever;
Holy and awesome is His name.”

Psalm 105:8-11, 45

He has remembered His covenant forever,
The word which He ordered to a thousand generations,

The covenant that He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac.

Then He confirmed it to Jacob as a statute,
To Israel as a covenant everlasting,

Saying, “To you I shall give the land of Canaan,
As the portion of your inheritance,”

....In order that they shall keep His statutes and observe His laws,
Praise the L-RD!

Psalm 119:44 “So I will keep Your Torah - continually forever and ever.”

Psalm 119:111-112 “I have inherited Your testimonies forever, for they are the joy of my heart. For I have inclined my heart to do Your statutes forever, unto the end.”

Psalm 119:144 “Your testimonies are forever right; Grant me understanding that I may live.”

Psalm 119:152 “From long ago I have known your testimonies, that You have established them forever.”

Keep in mind - Whenever reading any verses in the Hebrew Bible (aka ‘Old Testament’), read them with the historical context in mind. For example, at the time King David wrote the Psalms, much of the rest of the Hebrew Bible was not yet written. Therefore, any references he makes should be understood in the context of those books which were already written, which he had in his hands.

Leviticus 3:17 “It is a law forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places..”

Leviticus 6:18 “it is a permanent law throughout all your generations..”

Leviticus 6:22 “by an eternal ordinance it shall be entirely offered..”

Leviticus 7:36 “it is an eternal law for their generations.”

Leviticus 16:34 “Now this is to you an everlasting ordinance..”

Leviticus 16:29 “This is to you a permanent law..”

Leviticus 17:7 “This is to them for an everlasting law in all their generations..”

Leviticus 23:14 “is to you a perpetual ordinance in all your dwelling places throughout your generations..”

Numbers 15:15 “As for the community (of Israel), there shall be one law for you and for the one who converted and joined with you; An eternal Law throughout your generations, as you are, so shall the convert be before the ALL-TRANSCENDENT One.”

Numbers 19:21 “So it is a law forever for them..”

And on and on and on...

A prophet or teacher (or preacher) who comes along and claims to believe that the ‘Old Testament’ is the Word of G-d, but at the same time believes that the ‘Old Testament’ is no longer applicable or valid, declares that the Almighty is a liar for saying all these statements listed here. In addition to this, anyone who teaches that the ‘Old Testament’ is abolished and is no longer applicable fulfills Deuteronomy 13:5 “But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams must be put to death, because he has instructed rebellion against the L-RD your G-d.....seducing you from the way in which the L-RD your G-d commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the wickedness from among you.”

When this verse says ‘the way in which the L-rd’ commanded them to walk, it is referring to the Law of Moses, the Torah, as it plainly continues on to say:

“...heed the voice of the L-RD your Gd, by keeping all His commandments which I am commanding you today, and doing what is right in the sight of the L-RD your G-d.” - Deuteronomy 13:18

“...the hidden things belong to the L-RD our G-d, but that which is revealed belongs to us and our sons forever to do all the words of this Torah.”
- Deuteronomy 29:29

See further: Why Jews don’t accept Christianity http://sagavyah.tripod.com/id2.html

“The Torah of the L-RD is whole, restoring the soul; The testimony of the L-RD is trustworthy, making the simple wise.” - Psalm 19:7
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Further, you might want to look at the following analysis dealing with G-d’s “New Covenant” with the Jews: http://mesora.org/_private/mesora.html Go to Philosophy in the upper left corner of the homepage, then to Other Religions, then to Pluralism, then to the article entitled “G-d Never Forsakes the Torah.”

Note that I am NOT stating that the moral principles stated by the NT aren’t good for followers of Mary’s son to adhere to - just that it is invalid as any kind of Divinely inspired document for Jews under the Torah, since it has many passages (esp. those “invalidating” the Torah’s laws) which contradict the laws passed down to Moses and the Prophets (as did Mary’s son). This is not meant to be an insult of any kind, merely a statement of fact. Also, under Judaism’s precepts, non-Jews can have “a place in the World to Come” (i.e. Heaven) if they merely abide by the 7 Laws of Noah. See http://www.hamikdash.com/Rambam.html


44 posted on 02/04/2008 10:39:35 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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To: Ancesthntr
"If G-d’s covenant with the Jews is “kaput,” then nothing in the NT means anything. You see, the NT stands on the the shoulders of the Hebrew Scriptures "

You said a number of excellent things in your post, but this one sums them up. Right on!
45 posted on 02/04/2008 11:33:44 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: SunkenCiv; Salem; F15Eagle; Yehuda; Nachum; JewishRighter; T.L.Sink; M. Espinola; ...

Ping for excellent summation by our friend Ancesthntr!


46 posted on 02/04/2008 11:35:45 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Ancesthntr

Ancesthntr,

I wanted to thank you for the well thought out and written response concerning G-d’s covenant. It tells me how important these things are to you that you took the time to revisit this and express your beliefs. You communicate your beliefs very well and I hope to be able to articulate a thoughtful reply in response.

I want to thank you in particular for helping me to understand Judaism a bit better. I will be reading the links you included, and especially thank you for the scripture references.

You are most correct in stating that the “NT stands on the shoulders of the Hebrew Scriptures”. All of its’ writers (with the exception of possibly Luke) were completely Jewish. One of the great tragedies that has occurred in the Christian church is the ignorance and misunderstanding of Jewish tradition and belief as it relates to our inheritance through Israel of our Jewish Messiah and the context and relevance thereof. Apart from Messianic fellowships it is difficult to define the Jewishness that undergirds ALL of our faith as believers in Yah’shua.

All that being said, I believe that Yah’shua was and is the promised Messiah and Redeemer of Israel, fullfilling the Torah (not cancelling it) and correctly interpreting its teachings (Matthew 5:17-20) and fulfilling the OT prophecies regarding Messiah and Redeemer: http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm#Prophecies

It is from my heart and not of duty that I feel a passion, connection with and love for Israel and her people. There is an irrevocable promise of ownership the L-rd has given to the Jewish people over the land.

Ancesthntr, please know that my prayers and support are ever with the Jewish people and Israel which are precious to me. I pray that I might be one of the “Watchman on the Wall” for her to the world during these very difficult times.

Thank you again for your eloquence.

Again, peace be with you and yours,

Flyer


47 posted on 02/04/2008 11:00:44 PM PST by 444Flyer (Freedom isn't free.)
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To: 444Flyer

I very much appreciate your kind words. Religiously, we shall have to disagree on the identity of the Redeemer. That’s fine, as long as it is done in a civil and congenial manner, as we have done and will, I trust, continue to do.

As a side note, I watched part of the 3-part CNN special on religion a couple of months back (that part which I could stomach), and watched Pastor Hagee with interest. He is, in case you don’t know, very kindly disposed toward Jews and Israel. He mentioned that he’s got a good friend who is a rabbi in San Antonio, and that one day they were discussing the Messiah. They decided that there was only one thing that was certain - one of them would be correct, and the other both wrong and very surprised at the Messiah’s identity. I think that the same holds for us.

Peace also be with you and yours.


48 posted on 02/05/2008 7:34:42 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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Most definitely.:)

I have a question on the personal side. I recently discovered that my mother’s family immigrated to America from Germany somewhere between 1915-1921. (My mother didn’t know her mother because at the age of three my grandparents separated and my mother was raised by her father’s aunt.) I have just begun some research myself on my mother’s family. My mother believes they were German Jews. I found their name on a Jewish surname list (AVOTAYNU)but want to research to find out more about them. Do you have any suggestions as to any good websites or references I might find to help me? Anything would be much appreciated. Thank you.


49 posted on 02/05/2008 8:40:41 AM PST by 444Flyer (Freedom isn't free.)
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To: 444Flyer

See my PM.


50 posted on 02/05/2008 11:03:17 AM PST by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation trying to stop Monica's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife from becoming President)
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