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17 states stuck in license showdown
Associated Press ^ | DEVLIN BARRETT

Posted on 01/11/2008 12:09:06 PM PST by 300magnum

WASHINGTON - Residents of at least 17 states are suddenly stuck in the middle of a brewing fight between the Bush administration and state governments over post-Sept. 11 security rules for driver's licenses — a dispute that in just a few months could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes or enter federal buildings.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Friday that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the REAL ID Act's new rules.

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are: Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington state.

But Chertoff, as he unveiled final details of the REAL ID rules, said that where a particular state doesn't seek a waiver, its residents will have to use a passport or a newly created federal passport card if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

Chertoff spoke as he revealed the details of the administration's plan to improve security for driver's licenses in all 50 states — an effort delayed due to opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy.

Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; dhs; realid; realidact; september12era

1 posted on 01/11/2008 12:09:09 PM PST by 300magnum
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To: 300magnum

Another short deadline with little chance of compliance combined with dire predictions of widespread upheaval. This “showdown” will last about as long as the passport-to-Canada requirement did.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 12:12:41 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 300magnum

Which states? Is there a list? I’d like to know if Washington state is one of them.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 12:18:45 PM PST by Eva
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To: jiggyboy

I just renewed my Missouri DL. I had to bring my passport, voter registration and proof of where I lived (utility bill with my name and address.)


4 posted on 01/11/2008 12:18:46 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: 300magnum

Sorry, should have read the whole article.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 12:20:00 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Are you born after 1964?


6 posted on 01/11/2008 12:24:56 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Eva
Which states? Is there a list? I’d like to know if Washington state is one of them.

In the article . . .The 17, according to the ACLU, are: Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington state.

7 posted on 01/11/2008 12:26:51 PM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: texgal
Georgia

Yay!

8 posted on 01/11/2008 12:29:39 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: 300magnum
Idaho administers driver's licenses at the county courthouse. There is no "central" location involved in issuing the license. It takes about 30 minutes (including time for the test) to leave with your real license in hand. By comparison, California sent me home with a paper stating I passed the test and paid my fees. The real license took 3 weeks to arrive in the mailbox.

I have a passport, so if need be I can cart it with me. I wonder if that will be the standard of proof required at the voting booths? The Rats would hate that!

9 posted on 01/11/2008 12:34:31 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: knarf
Are you born after 1964?

Some states have passed stricter versions.

10 posted on 01/11/2008 12:44:29 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: 300magnum
Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years.

Huh? So Abdul Mohammed will just have to make sure his crayon on an index card driver's license forgery has a date before 1965 and he'll be passed through to the airplane?

The more I read about it, the less seriously I take Chertoff and the Dept of Homeland Security. Break it up and return its parts to their original departments.

11 posted on 01/11/2008 12:48:47 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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To: knarf

No. Much earlier.


12 posted on 01/11/2008 12:49:56 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: 300magnum

Yay for Idaho


13 posted on 01/11/2008 12:56:55 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: 300magnum

WTF is a “passport card”? This is the first I’ve heard of this document. How will this be used? Does it just document that you have a PP? Can it be used for travel?


14 posted on 01/11/2008 1:19:06 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: 300magnum

silly liberals, if they sign on to the REALID , well we would just *HAVE* to give licenses to Illegals./sarcasm


15 posted on 01/11/2008 1:19:34 PM PST by Liberty2007 (I AM AWESOME , The best thing on Talk radio----Michael Savage)
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To: Little Pig

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2006/74083.htm


16 posted on 01/11/2008 1:25:40 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Myrddin
The real license took 3 weeks to arrive in the mailbox.

Ha, renewed mine via internet, got it two weeks before my old one expired. CA, unfortunately it also allowed me to sign up for lifetime absentee ballot.

17 posted on 01/11/2008 2:36:00 PM PST by itsahoot (Gingrich: "We don't have a peace process. We have a surrender process." (Duncan Hunter gets it.))
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To: itsahoot
My last trip to the Poway DMV office took place because I had just sold my house in Mira Mesa and rented an apartment so my son could finish his senior year in high school. I had to change my address on my vehicle registration and license. That was in Feb 2001. That is the very trip where I observed the corrupt DMV officials coaching the Spanish speakers.

I renewed my driver's license via postal mail multiple times between 1973 and 2001 when my street address was stable.

18 posted on 01/11/2008 2:52:27 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I just re-newed my cdl (Dec) and all I needed was my birth certificate.

I'm 60 in Feb.

19 posted on 01/11/2008 3:26:04 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

State of MO sent me a card under the “Shoe Me Proof” regulation. www.dor.mo.gov, then click on Show Me Proof.


20 posted on 01/11/2008 3:48:30 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Not only did we have to provide a birth certificate and two other types of ID, excluding a social security card, one with a picture, a credit card, a school ID, even a year book, or a piece of mail, but they refuse to deliver the licenses to a PO Box address (except to illegals, probably). My daughter, now has three copies of her driver’s license because the post office refused to deliver it, until the DMV called them, after they had handed her one over the counter.


21 posted on 01/11/2008 7:50:14 PM PST by Eva
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