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Chertoff on final Real ID rules: "Reconfiguring our society"
Ars Technica ^ | January 11, 2008 - 12:43PM CT | Jon Stokes

Posted on 01/11/2008 12:10:57 PM PST by ECM

"There comes a point in time where all the discussion and analysis has to stop. We are now six years away from 9/11. Simply kicking this problem further down the road is a time-tested Washington way of smothering a proposal with process," said Chertoff. "The time has come to bite the bullet." Or, as Jack Bauer might say (while in the midst of breaking half a dozen laws in the name of stopping an impending attack), "We're running out of time!"

Chertoff summarized the major features of the final rules as follows: People must provide documentation that proves who they are and that they're here in this country legally The DMV must verify that the documents they're being presented with are legit, and take steps to protect their own databases from misuse. Licenses must meet tamper-proof standards States have to work together to assure that individuals aren't able to obtain driver's from multiple states in an improper manner

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airtravel; aliens; chertoff; dhs; federalism; freedom; immigrantlist; immigration; papersplease; privacy; real; realidact; statesrights
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Reconfigure this, Chertoff.
1 posted on 01/11/2008 12:11:01 PM PST by ECM
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To: ECM

Chertoff: Bush’s Open Border clown.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 12:12:32 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: ECM

“Reconfigure soceity”?

Always a bad idea.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 12:13:51 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: ECM

Reconfiguring the 4th Amendment isn’t an option.


4 posted on 01/11/2008 12:16:01 PM PST by ctdonath2
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To: ECM

Borders are wide open. I’m not submitting to a national ID or giving up any freedoms to a justice department that doesn’t care enough to even shut the door.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 12:16:28 PM PST by mysterio
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To: ECM
If the Feds want a national ID, passports are already there.

Making the states be their secretaries should not be an option.

6 posted on 01/11/2008 12:16:49 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: ECM

Chertoff isn’t qualified to do security at Wal*Mart.

He can’t be out of his present job fast enough.


7 posted on 01/11/2008 12:17:48 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ECM
Atlas Shrugged Reconfigured
8 posted on 01/11/2008 12:18:17 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: BenLurkin

General Question to any9ne who may know...

Is there any federal or state law that requires one (a legal US Citizen) to be able to produce any kind of personal identification?

What about anything in the US Constitution or body of law that prohibits the requirement thereof?

I’d be interested in finding out.

Drivers licenses are required for legal driving,yes?

God Bless


9 posted on 01/11/2008 12:20:05 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Driver’s license are internal passports. They are used in interstate commerce for domestic air travel. Without reasonable standards, domestic air travel will be forced into chaos over terrorism fears. The states need to step up to the plate. Chertoff wants to stop illegals and terrorists from getting driver’s licenses.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 12:20:42 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: ECM

What’s the big deal? You already have to show I.D. for a multiple of activities. My only stipilation would be that you did not have to carry it on your person at all times. That would eliminate the local gendarmes from asking to “see your papers” as some people are afraid of.


11 posted on 01/11/2008 12:22:25 PM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: NormsRevenge
Agreed. I wish Bernard Kerik had gotten the job. “To catch a thief, you must send a thief”. If Kerik had been Chief of HS, nothing would have gotten past him, since he already knows all the tricks. This is war, I am tired of all the amenities, all the niceties, all the BS. Let’s get a real thug to go in and flush out the other thugs. This election, it’s the bad decisions of sub-prime mortgage buyers or GWOT, take your pick. I say KILL ISLAM.
12 posted on 01/11/2008 12:23:56 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: EagleUSA

“Chertoff: Bush’s Open Border clown.”

Exactly!!


13 posted on 01/11/2008 12:24:36 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: ECM
"If a state were to opt out of this, then their license would no longer as a matter of law be accepted as as proper identification for getting on an airplane," said Chertoff.

Pound sand Chertoff.

14 posted on 01/11/2008 12:25:06 PM PST by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: ECM

It’s a win if they are required for voting!


15 posted on 01/11/2008 12:25:26 PM PST by AU72
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To: Manly Warrior

‘Is there any federal or state law that requires one (a legal US Citizen) to be able to produce any kind of personal identification?”

Only if you want to drive, ride a bus, ride a train, fly, check into a hotel or work.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 12:25:45 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: businessprofessor
Driver’s license[s] are internal passports.

No they aren't.

They are proof of proficiency and eligibility to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. Because it's used for other things due to convenience doesn't make it such.
17 posted on 01/11/2008 12:28:19 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ECM

I’m actually glad that our government has so clearly shown us who they really are in recent years - it has saved me from wasting lots of time, money, and energy on backing a certain political party that used to pretend it cared about the Constitution.


18 posted on 01/11/2008 12:28:24 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: NormsRevenge

FoxNews is reporting that no one will be able to board a plane, or enter a federal building without the new ID. What’s next, no buying and selling without the ID??


19 posted on 01/11/2008 12:28:45 PM PST by goron
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To: ECM

That Chertoff is still employed is proof that Bush is half-worthless.


20 posted on 01/11/2008 12:29:13 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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