Skip to comments.Chertoff on final Real ID rules: "Reconfiguring our society"
Posted on 01/11/2008 12:10:57 PM PST by ECM
"There comes a point in time where all the discussion and analysis has to stop. We are now six years away from 9/11. Simply kicking this problem further down the road is a time-tested Washington way of smothering a proposal with process," said Chertoff. "The time has come to bite the bullet." Or, as Jack Bauer might say (while in the midst of breaking half a dozen laws in the name of stopping an impending attack), "We're running out of time!"
Chertoff summarized the major features of the final rules as follows: People must provide documentation that proves who they are and that they're here in this country legally The DMV must verify that the documents they're being presented with are legit, and take steps to protect their own databases from misuse. Licenses must meet tamper-proof standards States have to work together to assure that individuals aren't able to obtain driver's from multiple states in an improper manner
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Chertoff: Bush’s Open Border clown.
Always a bad idea.
Reconfiguring the 4th Amendment isn’t an option.
Borders are wide open. I’m not submitting to a national ID or giving up any freedoms to a justice department that doesn’t care enough to even shut the door.
Making the states be their secretaries should not be an option.
Chertoff isn’t qualified to do security at Wal*Mart.
He can’t be out of his present job fast enough.
General Question to any9ne who may know...
Is there any federal or state law that requires one (a legal US Citizen) to be able to produce any kind of personal identification?
What about anything in the US Constitution or body of law that prohibits the requirement thereof?
I’d be interested in finding out.
Drivers licenses are required for legal driving,yes?
Driver’s license are internal passports. They are used in interstate commerce for domestic air travel. Without reasonable standards, domestic air travel will be forced into chaos over terrorism fears. The states need to step up to the plate. Chertoff wants to stop illegals and terrorists from getting driver’s licenses.
What’s the big deal? You already have to show I.D. for a multiple of activities. My only stipilation would be that you did not have to carry it on your person at all times. That would eliminate the local gendarmes from asking to “see your papers” as some people are afraid of.
“Chertoff: Bushs Open Border clown.”
Pound sand Chertoff.
It’s a win if they are required for voting!
‘Is there any federal or state law that requires one (a legal US Citizen) to be able to produce any kind of personal identification?”
Only if you want to drive, ride a bus, ride a train, fly, check into a hotel or work.
I’m actually glad that our government has so clearly shown us who they really are in recent years - it has saved me from wasting lots of time, money, and energy on backing a certain political party that used to pretend it cared about the Constitution.
FoxNews is reporting that no one will be able to board a plane, or enter a federal building without the new ID. What’s next, no buying and selling without the ID??
That Chertoff is still employed is proof that Bush is half-worthless.
No more, no less.
If I have to bring my birth certificate every time I go to renew my driver's license they better be making some copies of that birth certificate for me.
Will a US passport, even an expired one, be sufficient?
Just what ARE the requirements? We haven't heard that yet.
Said Sec. of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, who has been kicking this problem further down the road since he was sworn in three years ago.
All of which illegals are allowed to do with out one.
I have a national ID, it’s called a passport...
“Only if you want to drive, ride a bus, ride a train, fly, check into a hotel or work.
All of which illegals are allowed to do with out one.”
Heck they don’t even need an ID to open a bank account or cash a check. You and I can’t do that.
He always reminded me of that smaller Budweiser Lizard.
“The DMV must verify that the documents they’re being presented with are legit, and take steps to protect their own databases from misuse”
This is an OUTRIGHT denial of the culture of corruption that exists WITHIN our government where State employees have been caught red handing selling LEGIT drivers’ licenses (even multiple identities to a single person) knowing that the information that has been presented is false.
Until they are marched on tv and put away for life for their crimes the driver’s license will only be good for determining if someone has passed a test (by any means necessary) to drive a car and at least at one time was able to receive mail at the addres on the card.
So those on trial for Federal offenses will also be needing to get one of these IDs? How about to serve jury duty (or even to go down for jury selection)?
I’ll use my passport to get on a plane. The State has no business in this.
FOX AND FRIENDS OR FOX AND FOES?
Must read for true American conservatives —
LOL, I posted that exact comment on a FR thread a several years ago. Chertoff must be reading FR and taking my advice.
A US passport is the most definitive identification document there is in the US.
Show me your papers, comrade!?!?!
We did NOT defeat the Soviet Union just so we could become them.
This march towards overwhealming government must be stared down. That it is currently emmanating from our side means we’re the ones that have to stop this.
Passports are best and will be acceptable, these state IDs are for people who dont want to spend $90 on a passport.
Mark o’ the beast! Mark o’ the beast!! AAAAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!
Germany was the same way.
We have learned nothing.
I am confused by your overreaction, are you saying that people should not have to prove their identity when applying for a state ID? Should I be able to walk into a DMV and get a legal drivers license in your name with your address?
Should a state be producing identification documents that have no security features so that the documents could be reproduced in mass and sold at swap meets?
There is nothing Orwellian going on here, we are just cleaning up the system that has been in place since the 1920s by applying some consistent standards.
In the 1990s I went to take care of something right after motor voter went through.
There was a uniformed police officer standing duty at the DPS office. He tapped his gun and said something akin to “you can check that box to become registered now. Make sure you mark it Democrat.” Now he was “joking” of course and wouldn’t USE that gun to enforce his belief and was making it as a general discussion to all of us in the line, not a specific driver, but I still see it as a veiled threat.
The DMV has a culture of corruption.
I don’t feel safe giving those crooks my information knowing that false IDs will still be “approved”.
Former DMV employee faces federal charges for fake licenses
The Associated Press ^ | 8/15/2007 | The Associated Press
Posted on 08/15/2007 10:46:14 AM PDT by Dubya
HIGH POINT, N.C. | A former Division of Motor Vehicles employee faces federal charges for distributing fake driver’s licenses produced on the job.
Feds fear license examiner is dead - Memphis Woman’s co-defendants tied to 9/11, judge told
GoMemphis.com ^ | February 12, 2002 | Tom Bailey Jr.
Posted on 02/11/2002 10:19:36 PM PST by Shermy
A missing Tennessee driver’s license examiner charged with conspiring to provide licenses fraudulently was probably the victim of a “most unusual and suspicious” death, a federal prosecutor said Monday.
Asst. U.S. Atty. Tim Di Scenza also raised the possibility in court that Katherine Smith’s five codefendants are involved in terrorism against the United States, citing “connections” to Sept. 11 and the World Trade Center.
The Federal government cannot "apply" standard to State issued IDs.
There is a federal ID called a passport. But people might get more nervous about having to present that to enter all federal buildings and to fly even domestically.
“Mark o the beast! Mark o the beast!! AAAAAUUUUUUGGGHHH!”
No this isn’t the mark of the beast even though you are being sarcastic.
The beasts mark will be well known and will not be optional.
In due time we will all need passports. If only to leave this country.
This is optional for now. If you don’t want to drive or fly. And don’t ever have to set foot in a federal building (like a social security office or congress).
If Police would ask my name I would tell them. That is all they need.
Notice that I did not mention driving a vehicle in the above.
Americans and legal visitors and people here working w/work visas have NO problem, it's the 12/20 Million illegals that your administration refuses to do anything about!!!
You have a way to check their driver's licenses, social security cards, etc. against ID theft, how else can the IRS find us, social security locate us, etc.
The State Department's failure to keep up with visas, etc. is hardly the problem for legal Americans!!!
Hire some contract companies, check docs. against people you know who are here legally, send everyone else home - NO DEPORTATION hearings!!!!