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Real ID ready for prime time (National ID Cards Mandated in the US)
Washington Technology ^ | 01/11/08 -- 09:15 PM | Alice Lipowicz

Posted on 01/11/2008 1:32:19 PM PST by Calpernia

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Associated Press Excerpt:

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Friday that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the REAL ID Act's new rules.

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are: Arizona , Colorado , Georgia , Hawaii , Idaho , Illinois , Maine , Missouri , Montana , Nebraska , Nevada , New Hampshire , North Dakota , Oklahoma , South Carolina , Tennessee and Washington state.

But Chertoff, as he unveiled final details of the REAL ID rules, said that where a particular state doesn't seek a waiver, its residents will have to use a passport or a newly created federal passport card if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

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CNN Excerpt:

"CNN is reporting that the US Homeland Security Department has mandated Real ID for drivers licenses. According to the article, this will not include a 'chip', but a list of options by state. Despite legislation passed in various states and objections by groups such as ACLU, this appears to be a done deal. Without one of the new IDs you will be unable to board a plane after 2014 if you are under 50."

1 posted on 01/11/2008 1:32:21 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: Calpernia

The list of States is somewhat amazing.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 1:34:39 PM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: rocksblues

One of the reasons why I’m not sure how I feel about Real ID.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 1:38:20 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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An MSNBC report said the final rules were estimated to have cut costs by 75%, nullifying the objections made by many states. If your state still doesn’t agree to the new ID cards, you’ll have to show a passport or some other form of federally recognized ID to board a plane.
4 posted on 01/11/2008 1:38:48 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: Calpernia

Just barcode my forehead and get it over with.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 1:38:49 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Calpernia

To make things simpler, the ID should be implanted into the right hand.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 1:39:52 PM PST by bshomoic
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To: Calpernia

Many of us knew this was coming down the pike. Of course we were called tin-foilers for saying it.


7 posted on 01/11/2008 1:39:59 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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Many systems integrators and IT contractors are preparing to assist state motor vehicle departments in upgrading their infrastructures to incorporate Real ID requirements.

The Indian and Chinese H-1Bs are going to make a fortune.

8 posted on 01/11/2008 1:40:43 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: Calpernia

Many Americans object to the government forcing them to carry a national identification card, like many other countries do.

My idea is to require everyone to carry a passport at all times. If you are an American citizen, you will carry a US passport which can be used for all identification purposes. If you are a foreigner, you will carry your nation’s passport with the US visa noted in that passport.

If you are a legal immigrant and have permission to work in the US, your passport can be used for that purpose. Of course, illegal immigrants won’t have passports or visas giving them permission to work.


9 posted on 01/11/2008 1:41:58 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Calpernia

Under fifty? Child bearing years.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 1:42:36 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Aristotelian

I’ve heard that about Federal Building access too.


11 posted on 01/11/2008 1:43:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Leisler

Why not barcode the area you sit on?


12 posted on 01/11/2008 1:47:25 PM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Aristotelian
An MSNBC report said the final rules were estimated to have cut costs by 75%, nullifying the objections made by many states. If your state still doesn’t agree to the new ID cards, you’ll have to show a passport or some other form of federally recognized ID to board a plane.

Could one conclude then, that the Federal government is completely aware that there are many phony state drivers liscenses in circulation?

How about the states that demand driver ID's for VOTING. The Feds gonna clean that up too, since they are intimately linked?

13 posted on 01/11/2008 1:48:46 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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Without one of the new IDs you will be unable to board a plane after 2014 if you are under 50.

OK, it looks like I get grandfathered out. Yippee, I think.
14 posted on 01/11/2008 1:48:49 PM PST by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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“Two more people have been arrested, and 19 others are still wanted, for allegedly getting Rhode Island driver’s licenses that were falsified by two clerks at the state Division of Motor Vehicles.

The clerks had sent the licenses to dozens of illegal immigrants and suspected drug dealers who’d paid middlemen between $2,500 to $3,000 apiece to conceal their identity with a valid license, according to the state police. Some of the “customers” have since been rearrested on drug charges in various states — where their true identity was revealed by fingerprints — but others are on the run.”

The clerks immigration status was also “ in question”

So why do we even bother?


15 posted on 01/11/2008 1:49:32 PM PST by heylady
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16 posted on 01/11/2008 1:51:23 PM PST by DvdMom ( Drew Peterson Belongs In Jail Along With Nifong)
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To: processing please hold

I remember that. But, it was this Real ID that trumped Spitzer and the illegal alien IDs though. Which is why I’m not sure how I feel about this anymore.

http://blog.newyorkcitycommunity.us/2007/10/28/the-steamroller-and-the-chertoff-license.aspx
The Steamroller and the Chertoff License


17 posted on 01/11/2008 1:52:21 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Aristotelian

An MSNBC report said the final rules were estimated to have cut costs by 75%,


I’m not sure where the major cost to be incurred are within the program. One I’m sure is personnel required to process all applicants for the first time. I guess a second major cost maybe programming, data storage, and providing access by various agencies...

As far as the applicant goes I’m not sure what additional additional info above what they currently provide for a drivers license will be required of them. A birth certificate or passport I’d guess and that maybe basically it...


18 posted on 01/11/2008 1:52:54 PM PST by deport (28 days Super Tuesday -- [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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19 posted on 01/11/2008 1:53:43 PM PST by DvdMom ( Drew Peterson Belongs In Jail Along With Nifong)
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"Just barcode my forehead and get it over with."

20 posted on 01/11/2008 1:55:30 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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