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Top U.S. Evangelical Leader: All Involved with IVF Responsible for "Vast Human Tragedy"
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/11/08 | John Connolly

Posted on 01/11/2008 5:17:13 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
What kind of foolish punditry website considers Time.com to be an influential publication?

Dr. Mohler has been recognized by such influential publications as Time and Christianity Today as a leader among American evangelicals. Time.com called him the "reigning intellectual of the evangelical movement in the U.S."

21 posted on 01/11/2008 6:10:25 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: CindyDawg; Coleus

The cost of trying IVF on one egg would be far too prohibitive (each procedure is over $10K and most couples who are successful spend closer to $50K).


22 posted on 01/11/2008 6:11:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Time certainly has a leftist bias (odd since the founder, Henry Luce was anything but a liberal) and circulation is down, but it is still read by millions of people.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2007/08/13/magazines-audit-circ-biz-cx_lh_0813mags.html?feed=rss_business


23 posted on 01/11/2008 6:14:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Money shouldn’t be a factor in determining ethics.


24 posted on 01/11/2008 6:16:34 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

Money is a factor in determining many things, but ethics isn’t one of them.

Sadly, money is more important to some than anything, including ethics.


25 posted on 01/11/2008 6:22:37 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: CindyDawg

Unfortunately, many people are very selfish and are either not concerned with or ignorant to the ethics of IVF. They want their baby and they want it as quickly and inexpensively as possible (they aren’t going to spend well over $100K and wait several years, when they can spend half that in half the time).


26 posted on 01/11/2008 6:25:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: airborne

The poster had a good point. It’s expensive and people want the highest % of success. I can understand that . If you don’t have a choice though prices will come down or people will pay the fees, if it’s what they really want.


27 posted on 01/11/2008 6:27:50 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
I’m not questioning the motives of people who want to have children so much as I’m questioning the method used that treats human embryos inhumanely,as no more than profitable commodity.
28 posted on 01/11/2008 6:33:33 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Coleus; wagglebee; Cicero

This procedure, cannot be compared in any way to a fertilized egg inside the womb, that is terminated through abortion. To believe otherwise is to completely ignore the reason for the procedure.

Without getting into pinhead mental exercises regarding this I reject the idea that anyone ought to be castigated or caused to feel shame for an act of killing because a fertilized egg does not take.

In fact I reject the idea that abortion itself is murder. That idea alone is what pro-choice folks fear most about pro-lifers and what perpetuates the abortion debate when it should have been resolved years ago.

The over the top, unbending, unchristian attitude of many pro-lifers does nothing to educate the public that the overwhelming majority of abortions are for financial and cosmetic reasons, and less than 1 percentage point relate in any way to rape incest or health of the mother! Some Mother who would knowingly end a pregnancy for money or IOW selfish reasons.

The State of SD made significant progress in the debate by doing a state wide study of abortions. The results of the study were made available to all parties.

The fact that some chose to ignore the study, and vote their emotions only proves that to some the scare tactics and leftist talking points though lies and deception, got more press than the facts in the study.

Can we say mainstream media bias. I believe the vote was basically 60/40 against. Not bad for the first state out of the blocks to end something that is a blight on the nation and it’s people. The IVF debate pales in comparison and my point is, there is no comparison.


29 posted on 01/11/2008 6:40:02 PM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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In fact I reject the idea that abortion itself is murder. That idea alone is what pro-choice folks fear most about pro-lifers and what perpetuates the abortion debate when it should have been resolved years ago.

So, you are pro-death. The fact that abortion is murder is the crux of the debate between the pro-life and the pro-death groups.

30 posted on 01/11/2008 6:46:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wita

Women can get pregnant and never know because for some reason the embryo didn’t implant. IVF isn’t killing a baby if it doesn’t take. Abortion and disposing of the ones not selected is killing a baby though.


31 posted on 01/11/2008 6:48:34 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: WKB
Because the majority of Protestant Ministers, Evangelicals, etc. do not speak about IVF as he has done. The Catholic Church has for years.

I happen to be Catholic(21 years), I am a well educated person in scripture and religion and I also was a baptist growing up.
I always attended and studied with scripture oriented churches.

Certainly no offense, I am highly complimentary to the Minister.

32 posted on 01/11/2008 7:03:18 PM PST by rose
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To: rose
No Problem
I was a little confused.
I have days like that.
My shrink says it’s because
I get in a hurry too fast. :>)
33 posted on 01/11/2008 7:07:28 PM PST by WKB (FDT= Alabama's song from1982 He's "Close Enough To Perfect For Me")
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To: WKB
Hey, we have a lot in common, sounds like me too. My husband is very funny and kids me a lot, he will say, “Just remember when you get to St. Peter’s Gate, keep your mouth shut.” ha ha It is true is why it is funny.
34 posted on 01/11/2008 7:35:21 PM PST by rose
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To: wagglebee

The commoditization of human beings at their earliest age in a lifetime has been easy to sell to the human species ever since the move to artificialize the conception process with the ‘turkey baster’ approach. The dehumanization of the little ones at embryo age was all that needed to be tossed out. Now humans are commodities at earliest age, and as the Terri Schiavo case shows us, the other end of the spectrum is now in the sights of the death cultists with her dehumanization before execution and disposal. Liberalism is so productive don’tchaknow.


35 posted on 01/11/2008 7:43:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wita

If the embryos are humans then there is no goodness authority to make such a specious differentiation as you seek to promote.


36 posted on 01/11/2008 7:44:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wita

Incidentally, once fertilization has occurred, there is no longer an egg, so try using correct terminology if you’re going to defend this evil.


37 posted on 01/11/2008 7:46:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: WKB
;o)
38 posted on 01/11/2008 9:45:05 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Coleus; CindyDawg; wagglebee; airborne
It can’t, the IVF procedure would never work, and that is why many religions are against the procedure since more than one embryo is created during the procedure.

This is false. You can specifically request that two eggs be fertilized and be implanted at a time. Or just one. Yes, it costs more, probability-wise, but it doesn't mean you can't do it.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger has advocated this on her show as an alternative to the mass-destruction embryo method.

39 posted on 01/11/2008 10:32:36 PM PST by mbraynard (Tagline changed due to admin request)
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To: wita
In fact I reject the idea that abortion itself is murder.

Then what it?

40 posted on 01/11/2008 10:33:13 PM PST by mbraynard (Tagline changed due to admin request)
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