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Iran Encounter Grimly Echoes 02 War Game
nytimes ^ | January 12, 2008 | By THOM SHANKER

Posted on 01/11/2008 7:01:07 PM PST by Flavius

WASHINGTON — There is a reason American military officers express grim concern over the tactics used by Iranian sailors last weekend: a classified, $250 million war game in which small, agile speedboats swarmed a naval convoy to inflict devastating damage on more powerful warships.

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KEYWORDS: hormuz; iran; journalism; usn; yellow
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1 posted on 01/11/2008 7:01:09 PM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Didn’t a fast boat do the devastation to the USS Cole during the Clinton administration? I would think our Navy is always on high alert when being approached by any vessel.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 7:04:30 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Flavius
a classified, $250 million war game in which small, agile speedboats swarmed a naval convoy to inflict devastating damage on more powerful warships.

Apparently discussing classified documents when American sailors are at risk isn't a problem at the NY Times.

3 posted on 01/11/2008 7:07:40 PM PST by Last Dakotan (All my tools are hammers, except screwdrivers which are chisels and punches.)
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To: Flavius

Stalin is reported to have remarked that there is a certain quality in quantity. That said, the Times often engages in liberal projection of its deeply seated desire to see the US defeated.


4 posted on 01/11/2008 7:10:22 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: originalbuckeye

I would have to dig up the story again, but if I recall correctly, Cole was tied up at the dock and the boat loaded with explosives pulled up next to her at a normal rate of travel.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 7:13:03 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Flavius

Why would you get banned?


6 posted on 01/11/2008 7:13:22 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Flavius

Wasn’t it this kind of hubris that doomed the Death Star?

The notion swarming bees can’t hurt a man is just insane - just ask the guy who’s experienced it.


7 posted on 01/11/2008 7:15:05 PM PST by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: Sawdring

I think he means he would be banned if he expressed his true feelings.


8 posted on 01/11/2008 7:21:56 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Edward Watson

The Death Star was doomed by a glaringly fatal engineering flaw, which is apparently a standing requirement for all Imperial vessels.

Suicide bombers are always hard to defend against—especially in large numbers. Of course, payback can be a real bitch.


9 posted on 01/11/2008 7:23:49 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Flavius

This is total BULL!! Yes maybe they could sucker punch a few ships but after that, everything they own of value would be decimated.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 7:25:20 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: theBuckwheat

I have a deeply seated desire to see the same happen to the NYT.


11 posted on 01/11/2008 7:26:53 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Flavius
The ONLY way a bunch of 20-foot fast boats could harm steel warships is to pack them with explosives (plentiful over there) and explode on contact.

The ONLY way to prevent such an incident is to sink any boat that comes close. Sink a few, and the others will think twice.

I wonder what the ROE allows these days? 200 yards? 100 yards? Better hose them down before they get alongside. The others will get the message.

12 posted on 01/11/2008 7:31:18 PM PST by Sender (Feel like, I feel like a poke chop san'wich)
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To: Enterprise

As I recall the explosives used in the cole bombing was special high explosives made in (russia?) I think. Funny nothing ever came out about that.

Kursk sunk august 14th 2000

USS Cole bombing October 12th 2000

Pissed off russian putin looks to save face gives ultra high explosives to the Izlambies to get us (supposedly) back for sinking the Kursk. Thoughts?


13 posted on 01/11/2008 7:32:08 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Walkingfeather

Anything is possible with the Russians, but they are completely loony if they are trying to blame the United States for their own incompetence for the sinking of the Kursk.


14 posted on 01/11/2008 7:41:59 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Last Dakotan
"a classified, $250 million war game in which small, agile speedboats swarmed a naval convoy to inflict devastating damage on more powerful warships."

Actually, it looks life the author of the piece lifted his article from the pages of the The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb. Nassim devotes almost an entire chapter to the Millennium Challenge 2002 exercise. Most likely this is where the author of the article got his information. I have absolutely no doubt that the so called "journalist" did any more research than that - this is the NY Slimes that we are talking about here.

Unfortunately, I can't find my copy of the Black Swan, or I would check to see how much the good "journalist" lifted from it.

15 posted on 01/11/2008 7:47:13 PM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse (especially Iran's)")
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To: Flavius

“In the war game, scores of adversary speedboats and larger naval vessels had been shadowing and hectoring the Blue Team fleet for days. The Blue Team defenses also faced cruise missiles fired simultaneously from land and from warplanes, as well as the swarm of speedboats firing heavy machine guns and rockets — and pulling alongside to detonate explosives on board.

“When the Red Team sank much of the Blue navy despite the Blue navy’s firing of guns and missiles, it illustrated a cheap way to beat a very expensive fleet. After the Blue force was sunk, the game was ordered to begin again, with the Blue Team eventually declared the victor.”


16 posted on 01/11/2008 7:50:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: originalbuckeye

No. Actually the boat that blew a hole in the Cole was an inflatable 4 man boat with a 35 horse hand steared evenrude engine from the 1970s. It was driven by one SUNNI al queda suicide bomber. Many of you have never noticed that Shia never do suicide missions— ever. It’s alway Sunni. Shia hate Sunni. They kill each other every day by the 10s and hundreds in Iraq.(151,000) since we occupied Iraq. The stereotyping of these Arabs is racist and sick substitute for killing the real enemy— Osama Bin Ladin who is basking in freedom in Pakistan where we prop up the DICTATOR that hides him. You really can’t make that up.


17 posted on 01/11/2008 7:58:43 PM PST by Donnaplume
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To: Enterprise

Well there is not a doubt now, but at the time there was a story about one of our subs (the Uss Mephis I think) was in the area at the time and it was rumored they collided with the kursk. they then had an emergency stop in Japan for repairs.

It was months before the Kursk was located and video shot that showed a massive enternal explosion, ( torpedo’s with a history of going hot while still in the sub)

But a little late if the did it. Not saying they did but they did it, but it sure makes me go hmmmm.... supply islambies (islamist+Zombie= islambies) with high explosives and the time of the USS cole’s refueling schedule?....Boom.


18 posted on 01/11/2008 8:04:10 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Flavius

Sounds like the British defeating the Spanish Armada. That isn’t classified. I read about it in grade school.


19 posted on 01/11/2008 8:08:18 PM PST by tryon1ja
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To: Enterprise
>>>Cole was tied up at the dock...<<

I believe she was at anchor in the harbor awaiting a fuel barge. Otherwise you are correct.

I have read the small boat approached at a slow rate of speed, like many waterborne merchants selling trinkets or snacks might. They waved at Navy sailors on deck. In the last 50 or 75 yards they sped up and rammed the hull at high speed.

20 posted on 01/11/2008 8:13:34 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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