Skip to comments.Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Posted on 01/12/2008 6:10:52 AM PST by MNJohnnie
Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the reinstatement of thousands of former Baath party supporters to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United States as a step toward national reconciliation.
The bill was approved by a unanimous show of hands on each of the law's 30 clauses. Titled the Accountability and Justice law, it seeks to relax restrictions on the rights of members of Saddam Hussein's now-dissolved Baath party to fill government posts.
It is also designed to reinstate thousands of Baathists in government jobs from which they had been dismissed because of their ties to the party.
The dismissal of thousands of Baath Party supporters from these jobs after Saddam was toppled in 2003 deepened sectarian tensions between Iraq's majority Shiites and the once-dominant Sunni Arabs, who saw the de-Baathification process as targeting their community.
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Yea, I’d like to roll this one real tight and cram it up Dingy Harry’s hershey highway.
If they would only pass an oil law the Dems would have to just shut the hell up. You can bet they will dismiss this with something along the lines of too little too late or some such nonsense.
The DBM will bury this... if not totally ignore it.
Just imagine if this were done from the very beginning....
Now the message will be “Too little too late!”
The funny thing is the way the Iraqis have the system working now is just as good as the law. The Oil revenue sharing is all ready going on between regional Govts. There just no over reaching National law. Why the Iraqis are so so slow to just adopt this current system nationally I do not understand.
The Oil law will come eventually. Democrats are might as well wave the white flag, they are playing a lossing hand and will be losing cards from that hand every month from now to Nov 2008
To believe this crap ‘requires a willing suspension of disbelief’. The surge has failed, the war is lost, and we must withdraw, er, surrender immediately! Once again this is Bush’s fault, he should be impeached now! Sorry, I have not had my morning coffee yet, and am channeling my inner Dingy Harry, Hiladabeast, Silky Pony, and UFO loving Dennis.
I think in the United States, we refer to this as federalism............mode of political organization that unites separate states or other polities within an overarching political system in such a way as to allow each to maintain its own fundamental political integrity. Federal systems do this by requiring that basic policies be made and implemented through negotiation in some form, so that all the members can share in making and
Gee we are sorry the real world doesn’t work like a made for TV actions series with everything solved to the viewers satisfaction in 60 mins with breaks for commercials.
The Iraqis are operating under the Saddam era law until they can get some kind of new law. The only real problem for them is trying to resolve the Kurds determination to go their own way.
But some numnuts here told us they can’t handle freedom.. They are savages... (Major Sarcasm....)
I don't mean it in a military sense, I mean it in an effective political sense. The Sunnis were equivalent to the Tutsi (Rwanda) and the Shiites were equivalent to the Hutus (Rwanda) and we put the Shiites in charge and naturally their first priority was to take revenge against the Sunnis. So the Sunni Insurgency formed, at least in part, in reaction to the Shiites. So, as one would have predicted, history simply repeated itself.
The Iraqi lawmakers mor e effective than the American congress.
Pelosi has done nothing she promised.
Minimum wage? ineffective gimme.
Get Hillary and Obama on the record fast... Don’t let the slimy rats get away with their Defeatism... If they had their way Iraq would be a bastion of terror training camps with blood flowing in the Streets of the U.S. But because George W. Bush acted and implemented a surge that every Democrat less Joe Liberman was against and to which every Democrats attempted to sabotage and vote for our troops defeat to forward their own political gain at the behest of those enslaved by Move on dot org and George Soros because we would have pulled the troops out in 05 when they started all that crap and success would not have been possible...
Shout it from every roof top and write it in every op-ed... George W. Bush was right.....
Exactly... but then you get a Katrina and you find out just how ineffective the Democratic State Run government is and then you act at the Federal level so that the state doesn’t allow thousands of its people to die and you still get blasted.... Because the left leaning media will only spin negatives about anything run by a Republican.
He said “Hershey Highway, huh,huh,huh!”
Nancy needs another enema.
Love the way the AP reports the success...........Iraq to reinstate ex-Saddam supporters .....Perfect lesson in how to turn good news into a bad headline.
MSNBC is reporting that Iraq will “ease” the restrictions as if the Iraqi government is going to let them out of their homes for the first time in 5 years.
The RATS are dying a slow death on this and GW played them like a piper.
When Iraq finally passes a national oil law the Rats will have lost the whole Iraq political talking points and will probably try to return to what they claim is a lack of military success.
Exactly. If they were truly Saddam supporters, then they wouldn't want back into the government that just finished LYNCHING him, now would they?
I believe the only RATS that will continue any discussion on Iraq will be the moonbats from the most liberal districts, the rest will try to distance themselves from it because they know it will only hurt them.
They excel at that, don't they?
Too bad they excel at little else.
Iraq is working and they can't extract themselves from all of their earlier negative spin.
Quick, move the goalposts!
But, but 20 minutes ago I just heard some loudmouth on FOX News cheering about no Iraqi political reconciliation in sight...
“Just imagine if this were done from the very beginning....”
Then the new Iraqi government might have been too fundamentally and thoroughly infiltrated with their enemies for hope. Our opposition would just have something more profound to crow about.
LOL! You just can't win with some a~sholes... "Iraq to reinstate Saddam party followers"
You can just see the AP's "journalists" gritting their teeth as they "reported" the article.
Besides Rwanda (comment #14), Im also basing my statement on the coalition death rate. The average was less than 1.4 per day for 5 months after the initial war was over. Then the insurgency started and the death rate soared. But what would one expect 100,000s of low level military and government Sunnis to do?
There is no doubt that the US has an exceptional military and Id give it a 10. But I think government support and political support based on achieving pre-war objectives was average at best.
I love it when you post that phrase and those pics! I know it’s gonna be a good day whenever I see them ;o)
now the Dims are going to claim victory on this saying it is their threats of pulling out that are causing reconciliation in iraq.
GRRRREAT news! Thanks to all posters for a great thread.
A better response.....
In short, in institutions like the military and business, America is the best because they are run as meritocracies. However, the US government is being run as a nepotistic Aristocracy and we are getting predictable results.
Much more political progress than our own US Congress. What say you traitors Reid and Pelosi?
This puts the Iraqi parliament one meaningful piece of legislation ahead of our own nit-picking bunch of worthless b*st*rds. What will Nancy and Dingy say now?
Yes, We should have expected an insurgency like you say. We now know that we should have been prepared to stop the looting, and we shouldn't have aborted plans for a continuous roll in of forces, and we shouldn't have totally scraped plans for post invasion security, and we should have anticipated al-Qaeda to bet the farm on stirring the Sunnies and had counter insurgency operations prepared for them. Now we know.
But NO, we should not have left "mid level" Baathists to undermine reform before there was a reliable method of vetting them, reliable Shiites in power places, leaving friends of the old regime to first take the good spots, wiggling into intractable positions to corrupt and intimidate weak malleable new officials at their most formative stage who might actually be trying to modernize and reform systems. No, that's a shortcut with predicable results, we shot for something MUCH more ambitions, and fresh start at government with all the good and bad that goes with it and have paid now rather than later.
Thanks for posting.
The American Thinker has picked up the story as well.
You stated expectations of how and what can be achieved in what time frame in a Counter Insurgency are based wholly on uninformed, US Junk Media manufactured unrealistic expectations being shamelessly exploited by politicos, like John McCain, who want to appear as being on both sides of the issue of Iraq
Counter Insurgency is by far the hardest of all military mission. It takes time and lots of patient to do right. Iraq has been by far the most successful Counter Insurgency mission in history. While it is true mistakes happen and any mission can be done better, the political spin about "mistakes in execution of the mission in Iraq" by McCain and others is pure nonsense.
The whole reason the US's strategy is working in Iraq is because we did not Americanize the war when things were not going perfectly in 2004-2005 as people like McCain screamed for. That would of been a disastrous mistake. That is the disastrous mistake LBJ made in Vietnam.
The notion that Iraq was some how flawed because it took time and effort is the opinion of people in DC, and the US Junk Media, who have never actually been involved in winning a Counter Insurgency and are clinging to those opinions based on domestic political calculations of how they can exploit such myths for political gain. They have no real understanding of the mission in Iraq nor of how Counter Insurgency works and have no interest in learning.
The notion that the USA can simply snap their fingers and order everything to be as they wish it to be anywhere in the world is nothing but an absurd Hollweird manufactured myth that has no base in any factual reality.
January 12, 2008
Iraq Quagmire Alert: Another Democratic Talking Point Takes A Hit
Most Democratic politicians have had to confront the reality that the Petraeus counter insurgency strategy has succeeded in increasing security in Iraq and dramatically reducing US casualties.
Yet many have found comfort in pointing out that political progress has lagged. The Benchmarks! The Iraqis arent meeting the benchmarks, they screech.
Well, today the Iraqi Parliament passed the so called de-Baathification, one of those benchmarks we hear so much about.
The bill approved Saturday, titled the Accountability and Justice law, seeks to relax restrictions on the rights of members of the now-dissolved Baath party to fill government posts.
It is also designed to reinstate thousands of Baathists dismissed from government jobs after the 2003 U.S. invasion a decision that deepened sectarian tensions between Iraq’s majority Shiites and the once-dominant Sunni Arabs, who believed the firings targeted their community.
The law will allow low-ranking Baathists not involved in past crimes against Iraqis to go back to their jobs. High-ranking Baathists will be sent to compulsory retirement and those involved in crimes will stand trial, though their families will still have the right to pension.
The Baathists who were members in Saddam’s security agencies must retire except for members of Fidayeen Saddam, a feared militia formed by Saddam’s eldest son, Oday. They will be entitled to nothing.
Of course this wont stop the Democrats in their push to surrender (though theres really no one left to surrender to any more). No, in Hugh Hewitt like fashion this setback for their position will be ignored or spun in to some kind of proof that it means the exact opposite of what it obviously is.
The Iraqis still have much work to do but to use the words of one prominent Democrat, it would take a willful suspension of disbelief to believe the Democratic line on Iraq.
posted by DrewM. at 12:36 PM
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