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Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Key Benchmark De-Baathification Law
Fox New ^ | 01-12-2008 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/12/2008 6:10:52 AM PST by MNJohnnie

Iraq's parliament adopted legislation Saturday on the reinstatement of thousands of former Baath party supporters to government jobs, a key benchmark sought by the United States as a step toward national reconciliation.

The bill was approved by a unanimous show of hands on each of the law's 30 clauses. Titled the Accountability and Justice law, it seeks to relax restrictions on the rights of members of Saddam Hussein's now-dissolved Baath party to fill government posts.

It is also designed to reinstate thousands of Baathists in government jobs from which they had been dismissed because of their ties to the party.

The dismissal of thousands of Baath Party supporters from these jobs after Saddam was toppled in 2003 deepened sectarian tensions between Iraq's majority Shiites and the once-dominant Sunni Arabs, who saw the de-Baathification process as targeting their community.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; biasmeanslayoffs; debaathification; drivebymedia; iraq; iraqiparliament; liberalmedia; supportthemission; supportthetroops; trysellingthetruth
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HAAAAAA! I am laughing so hard I think I hurt myself. Another massive defeat for the Democrat Congressional Leadership. Just days after launching the Democrat Leadership launches their attack about "lack of political progress in Iraq" the Iraqis pass this! Talk about perfect timing.
1 posted on 01/12/2008 6:10:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: MNJohnnie

Yea, I’d like to roll this one real tight and cram it up Dingy Harry’s hershey highway.


2 posted on 01/12/2008 6:12:45 AM PST by Keith (ANY REPUBLICAN in 2008 -- it's about defeating Mrs. Bill Clinton)
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To: MNJohnnie
Good. It would unfeasible and counterproductive to exclude all the low and medium rank technocrats and skilled professionals just because they were coerced to join the Baath Party.
A great step in the direction of reconciliation.
3 posted on 01/12/2008 6:13:24 AM PST by SolidWood (Al Gore: "I have never heard of this, but I think it is a very good idea,")
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To: MNJohnnie

If they would only pass an oil law the Dems would have to just shut the hell up. You can bet they will dismiss this with something along the lines of too little too late or some such nonsense.


4 posted on 01/12/2008 6:14:05 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: MNJohnnie

The DBM will bury this... if not totally ignore it.


5 posted on 01/12/2008 6:17:54 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: MNJohnnie

Just imagine if this were done from the very beginning....


6 posted on 01/12/2008 6:17:54 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Now the message will be “Too little too late!”


7 posted on 01/12/2008 6:18:12 AM PST by Soliton (Huck ain't perfect, but he is better than the rest.)
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To: saganite

The funny thing is the way the Iraqis have the system working now is just as good as the law. The Oil revenue sharing is all ready going on between regional Govts. There just no over reaching National law. Why the Iraqis are so so slow to just adopt this current system nationally I do not understand.

The Oil law will come eventually. Democrats are might as well wave the white flag, they are playing a lossing hand and will be losing cards from that hand every month from now to Nov 2008


8 posted on 01/12/2008 6:20:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: MNJohnnie

To believe this crap ‘requires a willing suspension of disbelief’. The surge has failed, the war is lost, and we must withdraw, er, surrender immediately! Once again this is Bush’s fault, he should be impeached now! Sorry, I have not had my morning coffee yet, and am channeling my inner Dingy Harry, Hiladabeast, Silky Pony, and UFO loving Dennis.


9 posted on 01/12/2008 6:22:22 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: MNJohnnie

I think in the United States, we refer to this as federalism............mode of political organization that unites separate states or other polities within an overarching political system in such a way as to allow each to maintain its own fundamental political integrity. Federal systems do this by requiring that basic policies be made and implemented through negotiation in some form, so that all the members can share in making and…


10 posted on 01/12/2008 6:24:35 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: kipita
Classic Counter Insurgency tactics. 1st you get Security, then you get Economic Progress, then you you will get political progress.

Gee we are sorry the real world doesn’t work like a made for TV actions series with everything solved to the viewers satisfaction in 60 mins with breaks for commercials.

11 posted on 01/12/2008 6:25:12 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: MNJohnnie

The Iraqis are operating under the Saddam era law until they can get some kind of new law. The only real problem for them is trying to resolve the Kurds determination to go their own way.


12 posted on 01/12/2008 6:28:29 AM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: MNJohnnie; All

But some numnuts here told us they can’t handle freedom.. They are savages... (Major Sarcasm....)


13 posted on 01/12/2008 6:39:16 AM PST by KevinDavis (Mitt Romney 08, WE ARE NOT ELECTING A PASTOR-IN-CHIEF!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Classic Counter Insurgency tactics. 1st you get Security, then you get Economic Progress, then you you will get political progress.

I don't mean it in a military sense, I mean it in an effective political sense. The Sunnis were equivalent to the Tutsi (Rwanda) and the Shiites were equivalent to the Hutus (Rwanda) and we put the Shiites in charge and naturally their first priority was to take revenge against the Sunnis. So the Sunni Insurgency formed, at least in part, in reaction to the Shiites. So, as one would have predicted, history simply repeated itself.

14 posted on 01/12/2008 6:39:23 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: kipita
I know, the Dinocons have to find SOMETHING to bitch about. Because God knows their fragile little egos cannot simply admit they have been wrong, and that cowboy Bush right, all along about Iraq.
15 posted on 01/12/2008 6:43:08 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: MNJohnnie

The Iraqi lawmakers mor e effective than the American congress.

Pelosi has done nothing she promised.

Minimum wage? ineffective gimme.


16 posted on 01/12/2008 6:48:39 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: MNJohnnie

Get Hillary and Obama on the record fast... Don’t let the slimy rats get away with their Defeatism... If they had their way Iraq would be a bastion of terror training camps with blood flowing in the Streets of the U.S. But because George W. Bush acted and implemented a surge that every Democrat less Joe Liberman was against and to which every Democrats attempted to sabotage and vote for our troops defeat to forward their own political gain at the behest of those enslaved by Move on dot org and George Soros because we would have pulled the troops out in 05 when they started all that crap and success would not have been possible...

Shout it from every roof top and write it in every op-ed... George W. Bush was right.....


17 posted on 01/12/2008 6:49:33 AM PST by tomnbeverly (I wonder if UBL or Mr. Zawahiri will be invited to speak at the Democrats national convention in AUG)
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To: milwguy

Exactly... but then you get a Katrina and you find out just how ineffective the Democratic State Run government is and then you act at the Federal level so that the state doesn’t allow thousands of its people to die and you still get blasted.... Because the left leaning media will only spin negatives about anything run by a Republican.


18 posted on 01/12/2008 6:52:22 AM PST by tomnbeverly (I wonder if UBL or Mr. Zawahiri will be invited to speak at the Democrats national convention in AUG)
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To: jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; ...
Reconciliation in Iraq ping.
19 posted on 01/12/2008 7:05:00 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda: enemy of civilization and humanity. Ron Paul: al Qaeda's puppet and mouthpiece.)
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To: MNJohnnie
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and the RATS, take another one in the...............HA ha!!!

20 posted on 01/12/2008 7:05:40 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Keith

He said “Hershey Highway, huh,huh,huh!”


21 posted on 01/12/2008 7:18:20 AM PST by crazydad
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To: MNJohnnie

Nancy needs another enema.


22 posted on 01/12/2008 7:20:06 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: tobyhill

Love the way the AP reports the success...........Iraq to reinstate ex-Saddam supporters .....Perfect lesson in how to turn good news into a bad headline.


23 posted on 01/12/2008 7:26:24 AM PST by milwguy (........)
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To: milwguy

MSNBC is reporting that Iraq will “ease” the restrictions as if the Iraqi government is going to let them out of their homes for the first time in 5 years.


24 posted on 01/12/2008 7:35:28 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: MNJohnnie

The RATS are dying a slow death on this and GW played them like a piper.


25 posted on 01/12/2008 7:36:03 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo

When Iraq finally passes a national oil law the Rats will have lost the whole Iraq political talking points and will probably try to return to what they claim is a lack of military success.


26 posted on 01/12/2008 7:39:48 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: MNJohnnie
Why the Iraqis are so so slow to just adopt this current system nationally I do not understand.

Maybe they are working on getting it right the first time, unlike our congress critters who would pass some piece of crap law just to look good in the next news cycle???
27 posted on 01/12/2008 7:42:45 AM PST by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: milwguy
Love the way the AP reports the success...........Iraq to reinstate ex-Saddam supporters .....Perfect lesson in how to turn good news into a bad headline.

Exactly. If they were truly Saddam supporters, then they wouldn't want back into the government that just finished LYNCHING him, now would they?

28 posted on 01/12/2008 7:43:55 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: tobyhill

I believe the only RATS that will continue any discussion on Iraq will be the moonbats from the most liberal districts, the rest will try to distance themselves from it because they know it will only hurt them.


29 posted on 01/12/2008 7:48:52 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo
CNN isn’t even reporting this news but this instead,”U.S.: Iran-linked bombings in Iraq up sharply”.
30 posted on 01/12/2008 7:51:05 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: milwguy; elhombrelibre
Perfect lesson in how to turn good news into a bad headline.

They excel at that, don't they?

Too bad they excel at little else.

Iraq is working and they can't extract themselves from all of their earlier negative spin.

31 posted on 01/12/2008 7:57:11 AM PST by Allegra (AACCK! Back in Iraq...how'd that happen so fast??)
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To: MNJohnnie

Quick, move the goalposts!


32 posted on 01/12/2008 7:58:12 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: MNJohnnie
Same article just different title in

Yahoo!News

33 posted on 01/12/2008 8:11:58 AM PST by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: MNJohnnie

But, but 20 minutes ago I just heard some loudmouth on FOX News cheering about no Iraqi political reconciliation in sight...


34 posted on 01/12/2008 8:15:18 AM PST by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: kipita; MNJohnnie

“Just imagine if this were done from the very beginning....”

Then the new Iraqi government might have been too fundamentally and thoroughly infiltrated with their enemies for hope. Our opposition would just have something more profound to crow about.


35 posted on 01/12/2008 8:22:13 AM PST by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Kaslin
"Same article just different title in "

LOL! You just can't win with some a~sholes... "Iraq to reinstate Saddam party followers"

36 posted on 01/12/2008 8:24:26 AM PST by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: milwguy
Love the way the AP reports the success...........Iraq to reinstate ex-Saddam supporters .....Perfect lesson in how to turn good news into a bad headline.

You can just see the AP's "journalists" gritting their teeth as they "reported" the article.

37 posted on 01/12/2008 8:35:24 AM PST by CDB (Goebbels would be proud of the MSM's propaganda techniques. PT Barnum would be, too.)
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To: elfman2
Then the new Iraqi government might have been too fundamentally and thoroughly infiltrated with their enemies for hope. Our opposition would just have something more profound to crow about.

Besides Rwanda (comment #14), I’m also basing my statement on the coalition death rate. The average was less than 1.4 per day for 5 months after the initial war was over. Then the insurgency started and the death rate soared. But what would one expect 100,000s of low level military and government Sunnis to do?

There is no doubt that the US has an exceptional military and I’d give it a 10. But I think government support and political support based on achieving pre-war objectives was average at best.

38 posted on 01/12/2008 8:39:08 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: Chode

I love it when you post that phrase and those pics! I know it’s gonna be a good day whenever I see them ;o)


39 posted on 01/12/2008 8:40:01 AM PST by Liberty Valance (This is my box of kleenex. There are many like it but this one is mine. Ah-Chooo!)
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now the Dims are going to claim victory on this saying it is their threats of pulling out that are causing reconciliation in iraq.


40 posted on 01/12/2008 8:42:02 AM PST by Fox_Mulder77
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To: MNJohnnie; All

GRRRREAT news! Thanks to all posters for a great thread.


41 posted on 01/12/2008 8:49:57 AM PST by PGalt
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To: elfman2; MNJohnnie

A better response.....

In short, in institutions like the military and business, America is the best because they are run as meritocracies. However, the US government is being run as a nepotistic Aristocracy and we are getting predictable results.


42 posted on 01/12/2008 8:53:39 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Image hosted by Photobucket.com i thank you Sir... 8^)
43 posted on 01/12/2008 9:06:25 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: elhombrelibre

Much more political progress than our own US Congress. What say you traitors Reid and Pelosi?


44 posted on 01/12/2008 9:06:39 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: MNJohnnie

This puts the Iraqi parliament one meaningful piece of legislation ahead of our own nit-picking bunch of worthless b*st*rds. What will Nancy and Dingy say now?


45 posted on 01/12/2008 9:08:45 AM PST by thelastvirgil
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To: kipita
"Then the insurgency started and the death rate soared. But what would one expect 100,000s of low level military and government Sunnis to do? "

Yes, We should have expected an insurgency like you say. We now know that we should have been prepared to stop the looting, and we shouldn't have aborted plans for a continuous roll in of forces, and we shouldn't have totally scraped plans for post invasion security, and we should have anticipated al-Qaeda to bet the farm on stirring the Sunnies and had counter insurgency operations prepared for them. Now we know.

But NO, we should not have left "mid level" Baathists to undermine reform before there was a reliable method of vetting them, reliable Shiites in power places, leaving friends of the old regime to first take the good spots, wiggling into intractable positions to corrupt and intimidate weak malleable new officials at their most formative stage who might actually be trying to modernize and reform systems. No, that's a shortcut with predicable results, we shot for something MUCH more ambitions, and fresh start at government with all the good and bad that goes with it and have paid now rather than later.

46 posted on 01/12/2008 9:09:55 AM PST by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: MNJohnnie
Good news for Iraq, Bad news for the cut-and-run crowd.

Thanks for posting.

The American Thinker has picked up the story as well.

47 posted on 01/12/2008 9:11:06 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: kipita
Thank you from proving my point. Your motivation here is not to seriously address the issue, your motivation is, obviously, to manufacture some excuse to avoid having to give Bush the credit for the win.

You stated expectations of how and what can be achieved in what time frame in a Counter Insurgency are based wholly on uninformed, US Junk Media manufactured unrealistic expectations being shamelessly exploited by politicos, like John McCain, who want to appear as being on both sides of the issue of Iraq

Counter Insurgency is by far the hardest of all military mission. It takes time and lots of patient to do right. Iraq has been by far the most successful Counter Insurgency mission in history. While it is true mistakes happen and any mission can be done better, the political spin about "mistakes in execution of the mission in Iraq" by McCain and others is pure nonsense.

The whole reason the US's strategy is working in Iraq is because we did not Americanize the war when things were not going perfectly in 2004-2005 as people like McCain screamed for. That would of been a disastrous mistake. That is the disastrous mistake LBJ made in Vietnam.

The notion that Iraq was some how flawed because it took time and effort is the opinion of people in DC, and the US Junk Media, who have never actually been involved in winning a Counter Insurgency and are clinging to those opinions based on domestic political calculations of how they can exploit such myths for political gain. They have no real understanding of the mission in Iraq nor of how Counter Insurgency works and have no interest in learning.

The notion that the USA can simply snap their fingers and order everything to be as they wish it to be anywhere in the world is nothing but an absurd Hollweird manufactured myth that has no base in any factual reality.

48 posted on 01/12/2008 9:15:13 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: lonevoice

ping


49 posted on 01/12/2008 9:39:08 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: MNJohnnie

January 12, 2008
Iraq Quagmire Alert: Another Democratic Talking Point Takes A Hit
Most Democratic politicians have had to confront the reality that the Petraeus counter insurgency strategy has succeeded in increasing security in Iraq and dramatically reducing US casualties.
Yet many have found comfort in pointing out that political progress has lagged. “The Benchmarks! The Iraqis aren’t meeting the benchmarks”, they screech.
Well, today the Iraqi Parliament passed the so called “de-Baathification”, one of those benchmarks we hear so much about.
The bill approved Saturday, titled the Accountability and Justice law, seeks to relax restrictions on the rights of members of the now-dissolved Baath party to fill government posts.
It is also designed to reinstate thousands of Baathists dismissed from government jobs after the 2003 U.S. invasion — a decision that deepened sectarian tensions between Iraq’s majority Shiites and the once-dominant Sunni Arabs, who believed the firings targeted their community.
…The law will allow low-ranking Baathists not involved in past crimes against Iraqis to go back to their jobs. High-ranking Baathists will be sent to compulsory retirement and those involved in crimes will stand trial, though their families will still have the right to pension.
The Baathists who were members in Saddam’s security agencies must retire — except for members of Fidayeen Saddam, a feared militia formed by Saddam’s eldest son, Oday. They will be entitled to nothing.
Of course this won’t stop the Democrats in their push to surrender (though there’s really no one left to surrender to any more). No, in Hugh Hewitt like fashion this setback for their position will be ignored or spun in to some kind of proof that it means the exact opposite of what it obviously is.
The Iraqis still have much work to do but to use the words of one prominent Democrat, it would take a willful suspension of disbelief to believe the Democratic line on Iraq.
posted by DrewM. at 12:36 PM
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/251802.php


50 posted on 01/12/2008 9:55:29 AM PST by enough_idiocy (Thompson/Romney '08)
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