Posted on 01/12/2008 7:03:54 AM PST by freemike
The Colorado sheriff who dispatched a SWAT team to break into a family's home, hold them at gunpoint and take custody of an 11-year-old boy for a medical exam sought by Social Services is defending the actions, saying the boy's father told officers to "bring an army" if they returned.
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I dont blame the Sheriff here, he did what he had to do to protect his own folks. The blame rests on the Nanny state that would bring this sort of thing to us.
When I made my complaint to the "brass," they informed me that "the officers said that never happened."
What's striking is how uniform the stories seem to be, no matter where they're from.
Why do SWAT teams demonstrate such striking similarities in tactics, lack of good judgment, brute force, terrorizing citizens, and blatant disregard for liberty anywhere in the country?
Who trained them all to do this? Why?
And, as suspected, there is more to the story ... as there always is in cases like this.
The problem is this: the kid has injuries that have been reported as possible abuse. By law, the authorites have to make a visit. They show up, and the dad gets belligerent. Dad's already been spotted chasing a burglary suspect down the road with an axe, and I have to think he's got more of a reputation for violence than that. And now he refuses entry to the cops, and threatens violence if they return.
Now put yourself in the sheriff's shoes: the law says you need to go there, and the resident has threatened violence. So what do you do?
Oh, I see. But being an instrument of the Nanny State absolves one of culpability?
By that logic, Hitler was just a servant. Don't blame him.
Might-Makes-Right alert.
I guess I’m supposed to be outraged at the sheriff’s actions with the SWAT team, but I’m not. The father is a trouble maker and a jerk who seems to delight in creating unrest.
An honest man would answer the question. Are you honest?
I never know how to do spacing. Someone else told me that once.
Nosy neighbors and social services are a bad combination, at times.
That’s a pretty good summary of what this is all about.
This is a war for our freedoms, this incident a skirmish in that war.
That father will be doing all of us a favor if he sues the bejusbus out of everyone involved.
he was also correct in his diagnosis AND treatment.
you forgot, "and have you stopped beating your wife?"
[the balance deleted by an act of grace].
What to do?
IT’S ALREADY ANSWERED FOR YOU!
See post #8
‘I dont blame the Sheriff here, he did what he had to do to protect his own folks”
I blame him the ‘I was only following orders’ line has led to millions of deaths worldwide. There was NO threat made to the police. The Sheriffs original reason to use SWAT was that the father was a “Constitutionalist” which is hogwash. The father was cooperating with the police immediately prior to the attack by SWAT.
A real Peace Officer would have told the father he had a warrant and that he needed to take the child to the hospital. A real Peace Officer would have allowed the mother or father to accompany the child. A real Peace Officer would not have thrust weapons in the face of every child and adult in the place and body slammed several.
No this guy is a Law EnFORCEment officer. I hope this Sheriff suffers great public humiliation and ends up living under a bridge after getting fired. Jail is probably too much to hope for.
we wuz jus folowin orers
“Who trained them all to do this? Why?”
The same people who trained the military.
“Why not try answering the question: you’re the sheriff and you’re required to go there, and the resident is threatening violence. What do you do?”
Well if there’s cause I would arrest him, not shove loaded weapons into the faces and body slam numerous children.
But then I kept reading and realized the sheriff's defense still falls short. The father was defending his home and family from a burglar in the first instance and in this latest incident, he was defending his home and family from trespassing, heavy-handed government intruders. Yes, the father is a bit hot-headed, but I can see his side of it.
I hate 99.99% of all cops. Period. Anarchy is infinitely preferable to tyranny. We live in a socialist police state. America is dead. We need a serious resurrection of our values and historic ideals.
the child had a head injury.......why on earth wouldn’t any parent wish treatment. there were NO vitals taken...??? I would be alarmed about leaving a child in those circumstances. what is wrong with this father?
“But then I kept reading and realized the sheriff’s defense still falls short. The father was defending his home and family from a burglar in the first instance and in this latest incident, he was defending his home and family from trespassing, heavy-handed government intruders. Yes, the father is a bit hot-headed, but I can see his side of it.”
When all you have is a hammer every problem is a nail. They have to use SWAT teams because they have them. Thats the real reason he used them in this case.
Here’s the thing....you gotta read between the lines here.
First, I have a Blog and tend to emphasize cases involving innocent and defenseless children. Now if this kid had died of a concussion I, at the very least, would have been ranting and raving about the failure of social services to do their job.
Second....a neighbor called the ambulance for this kid. We really don’t know why but I suspect the kid had some kind of accident, perhaps a bicycle, something that the neighbor saw.
Now if you saw a kid tumble, say head first over the handlebars of a bike, with no head protection for example, wouldn’t YOU be concerned if the parents didn’t seem to be seeking medical help?
Hey, it’s a tough call, I’ll grant that, and most normal people don’t like to get involved in this kind of thing. But this father had a reputation for being a bit of a hot head and still the neighbor called the paramedics. I’m thinking there was some real concern here.
So the paramedics come and the father’s giving them a fit and it seems that they wanted to check the kid further. Head injuries manifest in all manner of ways and a normal precaution would be to take the kid to the hospital and get an Xray or some such. Since the father obviously wasn’t doing that it appears the medicos wanted to further check on the kid’s health. Hey, why on earth wouldn’t the father let them do this? As for me, I think it shows this fellow to be one nasty, unreasonable guy. But that’s just me.
Finally, these people live in a trailer home and I kept reading about this kid and that kid and this kid coming from here and there until I wonder...just how many people live in this place? Perhaps I’m stereotyping but I’m thinking these are not the most intelligent of folks and obviously not the best at parenting.
This guy is chasing people down the street with axes as is on record and frankly he sounds like a real nut case to me.
saying the boy’s father told officers to “bring an army” if they returned.
Swat is lying. they are the new “Goon-squads” of the
State.
ask Elian Gonsalez....
and it doesn’t even matter what was said....is saying bring an Army an excuse to trample the rights of an American?
apparently so in Nazi-Land
I actually admire police who try to do the right thing and face the difficult choices to maybe perhaps live long enough to collect retirement. It’s a messed up job.
Thank you.
Please read my post 27. The paramedics just wanted to take the kid’s vitals. How is this a big damn deal?
Why didn’t the father let them check the kid out? What was he hiding?
I think those parents failed the smell test on this one.
Steve Forrest?
It is a disturbing series of . . . connections . . . evidently back even beyond Hitler . . .
Whether orchestrated from hell
and/or consciously by plotting elites . . .
the scheme is to bring about a tyrannical global government at all costs . . .
to remove the useless eater classes of serfs . . . old, infirm, deformed . . . too sickly . . . reduce the population of the planet to 200 million . . .
eventually to empower the police with on-the-spot judge, jury, EXECUTION powers to remove the misfits and rebellious ones immediately from the NEW WORLD, ONE WORLD.
Seems to me that the training manuals are being applied consistently and across the board. Certainly the mind-set is, as you point out so well.
And, the ‘spirit-of-the-age’ marches relentlessly toward Armageddon. Satan has reportedly deluded the elites that he will win at Armageddon. He knows better but they are in for a surprise.
God’s slight glance is enough to rout all satan’s forces. His Word enough to cleanse all the galaxies, multiverses and start them all over at 0.0 purified of all evil.
Getting interesting, folks.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/518374/posts
Best regards,
I just re-read the fourth Amendment and it doesn’t say anything about a “smell test”. It does say that we have the right to be secure in our houses. The father was trained to work with medics and was fully capable of taking care of his son. His son was immediately released after being “seized” and checked out. The father was right... constitutionally, medically and paternally.
Well,, here is a possibility. The father seemed only upset that the paramedics entered his home without announcing. Now,, I realize there is more to the story,, but, maybe more on both sides. Just before the SWAT team entered,, the father and sheriff were having a discussion at the window. The father brought the boy to the window at the sheriffs request, so he could see the boy was OK.
It sounds to me that the father did not have a bunker like mentality. Other people had been to his home already. The paramedics had seen the boy, according to the original story. The father had not kept the boy from the paramedics. He just did not want them to take him to the hospital.
We are talking about a black eye here!! The kid did not have a sake in his head or was laying on the floor having convulsions!
Maybe if the sheriff had come out and talked as calmly as he had when he had the SWAT team hiding behind him,, this never would have gone as far as it did!
Maybe the dad was a nut,, but too, maybe he isn’t at all. Maybe he is just someone that wants to be left alone to raise his children in peace! But, maybe too these so called professionals helped to escalate this situation into what it became!
Best regards,
Well,, Yes,, I know, I know, it's WND.
I posted the original article so I thought I should post the follow up.
The plot thickens. The other side is having their say now.
My thoughts are the following,, all the arguments about the Dad making wacky statements aside,, in the end,, the father was RIGHT about the condition of his son. He was fine. Could not these paramedics see that??? Could not this sheriff see that??
Just as in the case of Waco and Ruby Ridge and God only knows how many other instances,, is it not a little possible that all these so called professionals are PUSHING a situation into a violent end?? That there is a little bit of this mindset that "We are in charge of the situation, not you!" From the paramedics to the social services to the judge to the Sheriff to the SWAT team??!!
Sure,, maybe the family is a little nutty. That would make it all the easier for them to know how to do the pushing and would make it all the more difficult for a so called "expert" paramedic to yield their so called decision making authority to some scruffy constitutional loving trailer park living homeschooling nut! The paramedic went to college! He's trained in these kinds of things! This guy is just a Dad in a trailer! How dare he tell the paramedic his son is OK!
The same goes with the social service "professional!" How dare some hick family tell the county to go screw themselves! How dare some Bible quoting nut tell me the sheriff I can't trespass!
Why such a mindset??
We all know why. The rights of the individual are under attack and have been for decades!
We are too stupid to know what we should be eating,, what we should be wearing, what we should be driving, where we should be living, what we should be thinking!
We are too stupid!
Too stupid to know what is good for us!
Too stupid to be in charge! "How dare some scruffy old religious nut actually think he has more power or has the right to tell me to go screw myself!
I am a caseworker!
I am a state employee!
I am a professional!
I am a judge!
I am the sheriff!
I have guns and can break down their doors, force them to the floor and shoot if I felt I had too!!
I am smart!
I am powerful!
I will show these nuts who is in charge!
I will teach them not to mess with me!"
Just a thought.
Mein Deutschland, Mein Deutschland....
Your statement may sound extreme, but the founding fathers, Adams in particular, would have agreed with you. America is indeed rapidly descending into socialist tyranny.
If the kid had died of a concussion, why would you think social workers hadn’t done their job? Is it their job to monitor every kid who falls down on a playground or gets whacked upside the head with a snowball?
I’ve had a couple up close and personal examples of social work in my life. The one where they did their job, they had it flaunted in their face by an unfit mother applying for government largess. The other case, which has stretched years and destroyed the life of my five little cousins, they completely screwed up at every turn, as far as I’m concerned, leaving children with abusive parents, lying to the one child who was in foster care that my family didn’t want anything to do with him... I’ve never had much respect but what little I have is fading fast.
And how would you go about arresting him? Remember: the guy has threatened a violent response if you show up. What do you do?
The family appears to not be be illegals, therefore the sheriffs actions were ok.
Another possibility is that he might have been under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that consenting to letting them evaluate him would make if responsible for paying for the ambulance call, which he didn't ask for and had already correctly surmised wasn't necessary.
Pretty damned stupid comment, if you ask me. See if the nice folks in Mogadishu or Liberia or the Ivory Coast share your view of the benefits of anarchy.
America is dead. We need a serious resurrection of our values and historic ideals.
Which most certainly did not include anarchy but which did, ironically, include provision for cops.
Just read the ‘wayback’ thread. Incredible, this is our government.
Thanks.
“threatening violence”
Some snot nose ET bursts into your house uninvited and refuses to leave unless he can take your kid in for a check up.
How would you respond?
“Bring an Army” is NOT “threatening violence”!
ANY response to this self-important, snot nosed ET would be mis-characterized.
If you raise your voice, or curse, he’ll use that as justification.
I’m sure that you’re such an icon of virtue that you’d sit there repeating “Please leave.” in an even tone.
And, of course THAT would achieve the desired result..../sarc
You may want to read the original article. Yes the incident was outside, viewed by a neighbor. The neighbor also saw the family immediately respond by carrying the child inside to check him out. The father was a paramedic in Vietnam. Anyone with any medical training at all knows what to do in this situation: check the eyes, head, ice, pain relievers and observation...just what would have happened at a hospital.
I have seen children take tumbles and such and gone AND CHECKED ON THEM MYSELF first rather than being an alarmist. People with no sense whatsoever tend to rush to the ED for a minor bangup. That’s why the upcoming generation is so soft. (with the exception of the children of sensible folk)
LOL! That’s utterly ridiculous. The Sheriff could have found another way. Saying he’s not responsible is akin to saying “I had orders”. Doesn’t work for me. The Sheriff needs to be fired as a minimum.
Which makes me see another angle to this.
See, if they were illegal aliens, a trip to the hospital wouldn’t be a problem, as it is FREE, financially.
But you take some poor white slob living in a trailer park, any emergency room visit is going to cost you half a pay check or another bad writeup on your already terrible credit report.
I’m sure folks who have to pay their bills always keep in mind the costs of every action, unless they’re a glorified minority who gets away with skipping out on their bills. So taking the boy to the emergency room might be considered frivilous by YES, even a loving parent.
Betcha the father already got the bill from the hospital. Son only got a black eye? Did all kinds of checks; x-rays, MRI, trained doctor? Take two asprins every four hours. What, no insurance? Dear me. That will be $1500 Mr Trailer Dweller! We’ll contact a collection agency in one month if we don’t get it, too!
I agree. The social workers, the state and the cops all have better parenting skills than these trailer trash parents. For example the state taught the 18 year old daughter how to be slammed to the floor with a gun in your face and a knee in your back. Such a learning experience. If we all would just learn to turn our kids over, utopia would come. /s
http://www.postindependent.com/article/20080109/VALLEYNEWS/933433845
Just a link to the local paper.
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