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Pistol For Police Marketed To The Public (LAPD SIS - City & Civil Rights Leaders Outraged)
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 12, 2008 | Richard Winton

Posted on 01/12/2008 5:16:32 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Pistol for police marketed to the public

City leaders criticize the modified version of a gun originally made for an elite unit of the Los Angeles Police Department that has a history of fatal shootings.

By Richard Winton

Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

January 12, 2008

To the dismay of some city leaders, a gun company is marketing a line of high-end pistols named for the LAPD's Special Investigation Section, an elite group of plainclothes detectives with a history of fatally shooting suspects.

The guns for the undercover unit were created at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department. Kimber, a Yonkers, N.Y.-based gun maker, is marketing a slightly modified version to the public, touting the weapons as the "hot new SIS pistols" on the company's website.

For each of the more than $1,000 guns sold, Kimber says it will donate $15 to the nonprofit Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation, which provides financial support to officers and their families in times of death, injury or illness.

But news that a weapon is being marketed with an "SIS" serration -- a clear reference to the LAPD -- was met with criticism from city and civil rights leaders.

"It is very disturbing," said Councilman Jack Weiss. "If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?"

LAPD officials said the department does not endorse the gun but has no control over how the manufacturer markets the weapon.

Regarding questions about the weapons marketed to the public, Police Chief William J. Bratton dismissed the topic as a "nonissue," calling it "foolish."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 45acp; banglist; cops; firearm; handgun; lapd; leo; losangeles; pistol; secondamendment; sis
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The LAPD's SIS unit kicks a$$!

While Kimber Arms seems to just be using this as a marketing ploy, if the SIS detectives endorsed this new pistol, then I might consider buying one...

1 posted on 01/12/2008 5:16:35 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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Photobucket The new SIS family of pistols was designed in cooperation with LAPD™ SSI Detectives for their duty carry. Slides and frames are machined from stainless steel.
2 posted on 01/12/2008 5:17:11 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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Kimber Arms webpage for the SIS:

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/sis/


3 posted on 01/12/2008 5:17:57 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER
Wow if that thing will kill a shark I’m in.
4 posted on 01/12/2008 5:20:02 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: DogByte6RER
"a gun company is marketing a line of high-end pistols named for the LAPD's Special Investigation Section, an elite group of plainclothes detectives with a history of fatally shooting suspects.

They say that like it is a bad thing.

5 posted on 01/12/2008 5:22:58 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: DogByte6RER

... so it’s just a jiggered-up .45, isn’t it?


6 posted on 01/12/2008 5:24:27 PM PST by Ken522
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More on the Kimber SIS here:

http://www.kimberamerica.com/downloads/SIS.pdf


7 posted on 01/12/2008 5:24:43 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Does it make a difference .. this gun, that gun, etc. This is crazy.


8 posted on 01/12/2008 5:27:41 PM PST by enduserindy (I might be going to hell in a bucket but.......crap.)
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To: Ken522

Yeah...I think so.

I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Colt 1911 .45 ACP, but that’s because I’m nostalgic...


9 posted on 01/12/2008 5:28:28 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: rodguy911

Shark??? Hell, it could take down a RINO. (snicker snicker)


10 posted on 01/12/2008 5:30:16 PM PST by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: DogByte6RER

Meh. Let me know when they put out the Tony Montana signature model M16M203.


11 posted on 01/12/2008 5:31:28 PM PST by RichInOC ("Say 'ello to my leetle frien'!")
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To: DogByte6RER

They have some great stuff!!


12 posted on 01/12/2008 5:33:31 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: fish hawk
Maybe next month I’ll have to do a little trading.....
13 posted on 01/12/2008 5:34:39 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: elkfersupper

Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s bad. There isn’t enough info in the article to ascertain which was most often the case.


14 posted on 01/12/2008 5:34:53 PM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: DogByte6RER

wow. that is beautiful! the “SIS” is a little cheesy though, IMHO. does the SIS really carry .45’s?


15 posted on 01/12/2008 5:35:06 PM PST by thefactor
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To: DogByte6RER

Anything Kimber makes is good, but I don’t see anything so special about this one, other than a few more bells and whistles.

As far as the “outraged” lefties, they’re just displaying their ignorance. Somebody needs to publicly tell them how stupid they look when they can’t tell one gun from another. The police chief made a good start, but the LA media probably won’t report it.


16 posted on 01/12/2008 5:36:09 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: DogByte6RER
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Colt 1911 .45 ACP, but that’s because I’m nostalgic...

If I had bought one of those first, rather than among the most recent, I would have many many fewer guns. Or (Most likely) they all would have been .45 variants. While some of my 9's like the Sig 226 are truly superb, I just find myself shooting them less and less, and reloading .45 in thousand round batches. (Progressive Loader/Brass Waterfall).

17 posted on 01/12/2008 5:36:32 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: elkfersupper

Sometimes it is. Not all “suspects” are guilty. Some may be very innocent.


18 posted on 01/12/2008 5:36:55 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: DogByte6RER
WOW, I trained with the Kimber Arms LAPD SWAT version built on a tight 1911 frame. Sweet smooth weapon. They are very hard to procure by the public.

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19 posted on 01/12/2008 5:36:57 PM PST by R_Kangel (`)
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To: DogByte6RER

Can these city and civil rights leaders tell me what criminal would subject themself to a background check, then purchase one of these for over $1000?


20 posted on 01/12/2008 5:37:42 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: thefactor

I read an article about that pistol the other day.

The SIS now carries Glock 21s and Smith and Wesson 4506 pistols, both chambered in 45 auto.


21 posted on 01/12/2008 5:37:51 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: DogByte6RER
I CCW the Kimber Ultra Carry II. And just for the record I haven't
shot any police officers. Although there was a Sergeant who politely
asked me not to shoot him.
22 posted on 01/12/2008 5:38:54 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Armedanddangerous
this is the smaller version. looks very concealable.


23 posted on 01/12/2008 5:41:26 PM PST by thefactor
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To: DogByte6RER
"It is very disturbing," said Councilman Jack Weiss. "If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?"

Symbolism over substance rears its foolish head again.

The only disturbing thing about this incident is that someone with a child's level of understanding of the world has somehow stepped into a government position that ought to have been reserved for adults...

24 posted on 01/12/2008 5:41:43 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: DogByte6RER

“It is very disturbing,” said Councilman Jack Weiss. “If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?”

Let me guess, deprived childhood? Poverty? Racist oppression?

Liberals, they are so transparent.


25 posted on 01/12/2008 5:42:11 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Sometimes it is. Not all “suspects” are guilty. Some may be very innocent.

Agreed.

26 posted on 01/12/2008 5:43:17 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: DogByte6RER

This isn’t the first time Kimber has marketed a pistol designed to LAPD specs. An earlier model, the Custom II TLE (Tactical Law Enforcement) had LAPD SWAT input in its design - most notably the serrated front of the grip, the Mepro tritium dot sights and match barrel. I really like mine :)


27 posted on 01/12/2008 5:46:29 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: DogByte6RER
City leaders criticize the modified version of a gun originally made for an elite unit of the Los Angeles Police Department that has a history of fatal shootings.

So, for instance, a history of non-fatal, near-miss shootings is better for us? I think not? Looked at one of those SIS pretties at the local gun shop a few days ago. Nice. I keep asking for something like that for Christmas. Guess I have to start reminders for my birthday now.

28 posted on 01/12/2008 5:48:01 PM PST by Wneighbor
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To: DogByte6RER

Why would anyone have their underwear in a bunch over this? Especially civil rights “leaders”; it seems like a great tool to protect one’s civil rights.


29 posted on 01/12/2008 5:51:28 PM PST by kenth
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To: DogByte6RER

Heaven forbid that we mere subjects be allowed protect ourselves with the same weapons the government is allowed to use against us.


30 posted on 01/12/2008 5:51:31 PM PST by theymakemesick (The war on drugs benefits government agencies, politicians and drug dealers, they don't want to win.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Ya gotta love that SS design on the slide! Must be for the LAPD™ SS Detectives.

I bet this Policeman would be proud to have one of his own.

Semper Fi
An Old Man

31 posted on 01/12/2008 6:01:20 PM PST by An Old Man (Socialism is a tool designed to "socialize" (i.e., confiscate, not create) wealth)
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To: DogByte6RER
they should save $ to make libs happy with these: Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

32 posted on 01/12/2008 6:23:03 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I think I'll buy everyone a carbon credit for Christmas.)
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To: theymakemesick
"Heaven forbid that we mere subjects be allowed protect ourselves with the same weapons the government is allowed to use against us."

Nailed it. I also agree with your tagline.

33 posted on 01/12/2008 6:30:52 PM PST by VR-21
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To: enduserindy

Civic leaders went on to say that while they would be outraged if their police were likked with these guns, all the hundreds of other gun models held by criminals were perfectly acceptable substitutes for shooting an officer with. “What’s wrong with a sawed-off shotgun?” one remarked with wonder.

/sarc


34 posted on 01/12/2008 6:35:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: VR-21

It’s not like this gun is any better than any other 1911 model. It just has a dorky SIS pattern at the front and back of the slide.


35 posted on 01/12/2008 6:36:18 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: DogByte6RER
the modified version of a gun ......that has a history of fatal shootings.

Sounds like an endorsement to me. Isn't that what they're made for?

36 posted on 01/12/2008 6:36:23 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: WOBBLY BOB

LOL>>>RALMAO.......milk thru the nose ........


37 posted on 01/12/2008 6:40:34 PM PST by jmq (Islam=Religion of Peace)
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To: jmq
At one time the most dangerous gun to the Pols was the Cheap Saturday Night special. And now it’s a custom made expensive weapon. I wish they’d make up there minds. Sort of like global warming is now climate change. Just reword the BS to suit there agenda and presto chango the masses won’t notice. Man are they delusional.
38 posted on 01/12/2008 6:51:24 PM PST by JimC214
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To: thefactor
Sig Arms (Sig Sauer) P220R Carry Equinox FNS - Semi-Auto, Double Action, Compact, 45ACP, 3.9" barrel, Alloy, 2-Tone, Laminate Grips, 2 8rd Mags included, Tac Rail, Fired Case, Decocker, Fixed Night Sights Rear Only


39 posted on 01/12/2008 6:52:14 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Wow, that is really funny.


40 posted on 01/12/2008 6:52:19 PM PST by dschapin
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To: DogByte6RER

“If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?”

What the.. ?
HUH ?
I’m just going to pretend I didn’t even read this, gawd...


41 posted on 01/12/2008 7:04:52 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: WOBBLY BOB

no way man, that could be called an assault weapon... you could easily make the stock foldable and the flash suppressor/muzzle brake? that’s a big no no !


42 posted on 01/12/2008 7:08:55 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: R_Kangel

I trained with the Kimber Arms LAPD SWAT version built on a tight 1911 frame.”

Does that make it basically a 1911?


43 posted on 01/12/2008 7:12:27 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Hey Sis! Meet The Bro!
44 posted on 01/12/2008 7:19:26 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: DogByte6RER
They always keep the focus on the gun. Never people.

Like guns have special magical powers, in a society that officially does not believe in magic.

If a gun is used in a crime, it is ritually killed, when the perp walks in a few years.

So this design is “implicated” in numerous killings, when the people holding the magical guns are those who walk deliberately into very dangerous situations. Some evil force has permeated the very mainspring of this gun, and if civilians get them, they too will be forced to kill.

I think we need an official gun exorcism ceremony to make the antis feel better about these supernatural emanations from machined steel.

45 posted on 01/12/2008 7:20:54 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Secret Agent Man
The Kimber is very smooth to fire and easy to control. I would imagine the weight
of this model "Steel" could counter balance the recoil, but I see no
difference from the Standard Kimber. Accept for the polished actions,
which is achievable in any firearm. Overall, a damn fine weapon thats overpriced. IMO.
46 posted on 01/12/2008 7:46:40 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: DogByte6RER
LAPD's Special Investigation Section, an elite group of plainclothes
detectives with a history of fatally shooting suspects.


IIRC, this is the group that occassionally tails suspect criminals
(armed theft, bank robbers).
I think a couple of the unit were in place when a small armed theft
gang held up a store in the San Fernando Valley...and that was
the end of that gang (ventilated with plenty of in-and-out bullet holes).
Hearing about some thugs getting their own medicine from the
good guys: "PRICELESS!"
47 posted on 01/12/2008 7:54:06 PM PST by VOA
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To: Secret Agent Man
"It’s not like this gun is any better than any other 1911 model. It just has a dorky SIS pattern at the front and back of the slide."

I don't dispute the quality of Kimbers pistols. I've got one or two of them in my own harem, but it does seem silly sometimes how gun companies sell guns like they are cars anymore.

I personally value skill more than designer guns or all the gadgets and lingerie people buy for them. I'd rather be someone who is genuinely skilled with a Ruger P90 than some poseur with a Wilson Combat Super Grade. I've seen plenty of both.

48 posted on 01/12/2008 7:57:57 PM PST by VR-21
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To: philetus
"Does that make it basically a 1911?"

Pretty much so in the design end, however it is much tighter in the construction and a few mods that make it more user friendly. For instance the grip safety and Its extended base enabled you to rest the thumb of your shooting hand on top of the manual safety lever otherwise you might inadvertently apply the slim speed safety during firing. The construction of the weapon is slightly different than the basic 1911 .45 but I found the functionality better and it was more accurate and practical than the original design.

49 posted on 01/12/2008 8:25:17 PM PST by R_Kangel (`)
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To: DogByte6RER
“There is something fundamentally wrong with the commercial sales of these highly specialized weapons to the public,” said civil rights attorney Carol Sobel.”

What’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander

And she needs her tuition money back from law school.

50 posted on 01/12/2008 8:40:59 PM PST by Greg67
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