Skip to comments.Pistol For Police Marketed To The Public (LAPD SIS - City & Civil Rights Leaders Outraged)
Posted on 01/12/2008 5:16:32 PM PST by DogByte6RER
Pistol for police marketed to the public
City leaders criticize the modified version of a gun originally made for an elite unit of the Los Angeles Police Department that has a history of fatal shootings.
By Richard Winton
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
January 12, 2008
To the dismay of some city leaders, a gun company is marketing a line of high-end pistols named for the LAPD's Special Investigation Section, an elite group of plainclothes detectives with a history of fatally shooting suspects.
The guns for the undercover unit were created at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department. Kimber, a Yonkers, N.Y.-based gun maker, is marketing a slightly modified version to the public, touting the weapons as the "hot new SIS pistols" on the company's website.
For each of the more than $1,000 guns sold, Kimber says it will donate $15 to the nonprofit Los Angeles Police Memorial Foundation, which provides financial support to officers and their families in times of death, injury or illness.
But news that a weapon is being marketed with an "SIS" serration -- a clear reference to the LAPD -- was met with criticism from city and civil rights leaders.
"It is very disturbing," said Councilman Jack Weiss. "If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?"
LAPD officials said the department does not endorse the gun but has no control over how the manufacturer markets the weapon.
Regarding questions about the weapons marketed to the public, Police Chief William J. Bratton dismissed the topic as a "nonissue," calling it "foolish."
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While Kimber Arms seems to just be using this as a marketing ploy, if the SIS detectives endorsed this new pistol, then I might consider buying one...
Kimber Arms webpage for the SIS:
They say that like it is a bad thing.
... so it’s just a jiggered-up .45, isn’t it?
More on the Kimber SIS here:
Does it make a difference .. this gun, that gun, etc. This is crazy.
Yeah...I think so.
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Colt 1911 .45 ACP, but that’s because I’m nostalgic...
Shark??? Hell, it could take down a RINO. (snicker snicker)
Meh. Let me know when they put out the Tony Montana signature model M16M203.
They have some great stuff!!
Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s bad. There isn’t enough info in the article to ascertain which was most often the case.
wow. that is beautiful! the “SIS” is a little cheesy though, IMHO. does the SIS really carry .45’s?
Anything Kimber makes is good, but I don’t see anything so special about this one, other than a few more bells and whistles.
As far as the “outraged” lefties, they’re just displaying their ignorance. Somebody needs to publicly tell them how stupid they look when they can’t tell one gun from another. The police chief made a good start, but the LA media probably won’t report it.
If I had bought one of those first, rather than among the most recent, I would have many many fewer guns. Or (Most likely) they all would have been .45 variants. While some of my 9's like the Sig 226 are truly superb, I just find myself shooting them less and less, and reloading .45 in thousand round batches. (Progressive Loader/Brass Waterfall).
Sometimes it is. Not all “suspects” are guilty. Some may be very innocent.
Can these city and civil rights leaders tell me what criminal would subject themself to a background check, then purchase one of these for over $1000?
I read an article about that pistol the other day.
The SIS now carries Glock 21s and Smith and Wesson 4506 pistols, both chambered in 45 auto.
Symbolism over substance rears its foolish head again.
The only disturbing thing about this incident is that someone with a child's level of understanding of the world has somehow stepped into a government position that ought to have been reserved for adults...
“It is very disturbing,” said Councilman Jack Weiss. “If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?”
Let me guess, deprived childhood? Poverty? Racist oppression?
Liberals, they are so transparent.
This isn’t the first time Kimber has marketed a pistol designed to LAPD specs. An earlier model, the Custom II TLE (Tactical Law Enforcement) had LAPD SWAT input in its design - most notably the serrated front of the grip, the Mepro tritium dot sights and match barrel. I really like mine :)
So, for instance, a history of non-fatal, near-miss shootings is better for us? I think not? Looked at one of those SIS pretties at the local gun shop a few days ago. Nice. I keep asking for something like that for Christmas. Guess I have to start reminders for my birthday now.
Why would anyone have their underwear in a bunch over this? Especially civil rights “leaders”; it seems like a great tool to protect one’s civil rights.
Heaven forbid that we mere subjects be allowed protect ourselves with the same weapons the government is allowed to use against us.
I bet this Policeman would be proud to have one of his own.
An Old Man
Nailed it. I also agree with your tagline.
Civic leaders went on to say that while they would be outraged if their police were likked with these guns, all the hundreds of other gun models held by criminals were perfectly acceptable substitutes for shooting an officer with. “What’s wrong with a sawed-off shotgun?” one remarked with wonder.
It’s not like this gun is any better than any other 1911 model. It just has a dorky SIS pattern at the front and back of the slide.
Sounds like an endorsement to me. Isn't that what they're made for?
LOL>>>RALMAO.......milk thru the nose ........
Wow, that is really funny.
“If any member of the public is shot with one of these guns or, heaven forbid, a cop is shot with one these guns, what would be the explanation?”
What the.. ?
I’m just going to pretend I didn’t even read this, gawd...
no way man, that could be called an assault weapon... you could easily make the stock foldable and the flash suppressor/muzzle brake? that’s a big no no !
I trained with the Kimber Arms LAPD SWAT version built on a tight 1911 frame.”
Does that make it basically a 1911?
Like guns have special magical powers, in a society that officially does not believe in magic.
If a gun is used in a crime, it is ritually killed, when the perp walks in a few years.
So this design is “implicated” in numerous killings, when the people holding the magical guns are those who walk deliberately into very dangerous situations. Some evil force has permeated the very mainspring of this gun, and if civilians get them, they too will be forced to kill.
I think we need an official gun exorcism ceremony to make the antis feel better about these supernatural emanations from machined steel.
I don't dispute the quality of Kimbers pistols. I've got one or two of them in my own harem, but it does seem silly sometimes how gun companies sell guns like they are cars anymore.
I personally value skill more than designer guns or all the gadgets and lingerie people buy for them. I'd rather be someone who is genuinely skilled with a Ruger P90 than some poseur with a Wilson Combat Super Grade. I've seen plenty of both.
Pretty much so in the design end, however it is much tighter in the construction and a few mods that make it more user friendly. For instance the grip safety and Its extended base enabled you to rest the thumb of your shooting hand on top of the manual safety lever otherwise you might inadvertently apply the slim speed safety during firing. The construction of the weapon is slightly different than the basic 1911 .45 but I found the functionality better and it was more accurate and practical than the original design.
What’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander
And she needs her tuition money back from law school.