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Report: 121 veterans linked to killings
Yahoo News ^ | 1-12-2008 | New York Times

Posted on 01/13/2008 5:07:09 AM PST by stan_sipple

At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.

The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.

About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report.

The newspaper said its research involved searching local news reports, examining police, court and military records and interviewing defendants, their lawyers and families, victims' families and military and law enforcement officials.

Defense Department representatives did not immediately respond to a telephone message early Sunday. The Times said the military agency declined to comment, saying it could not reproduce the paper's research.

A military spokesman, Lt. Col. Les Melnyk, questioned the report's premise and research methods, the newspaper said. He said it aggregated crimes ranging from involuntary manslaughter to murder, and he suggested the apparent increase in homicides involving military personnel and veterans in the wartime period might reflect only "an increase in awareness of military service by reporters since 9/11."

Neither the Pentagon nor the federal Justice Department track such killings, generally prosecuted in state civilian courts, according to the Times.

The 121 killings ranged from shootings and stabbings to bathtub drownings and fatal car crashes resulting from drunken driving, the newspaper said. All but one of those implicated was male.

About a third of the victims were girlfriends or relatives, including a 2-year-old girl slain by her 20-year-old father while he was recovering from wounds sustained in Iraq.

A quarter of the victims were military personnel. One was stabbed and set afire by fellow soldiers a day after they all returned from Iraq.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: iraq; newyorktimes; oefveterans; oifveterans; stolenhonor; stolenvalor; veterans
MSM replaying the Stolen Honor from Vietnam
1 posted on 01/13/2008 5:07:11 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple

Yet another hit piece from the Old Grey Bitch


2 posted on 01/13/2008 5:08:16 AM PST by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: stan_sipple

Interesting that they would do a “study” on vets but they ignore Americans killed by illegal aliens. I wonder what that number would be.


3 posted on 01/13/2008 5:09:31 AM PST by patj
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To: stan_sipple
About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report.

So we are suppose to simply take the NY Slimes word for it. The word of a newspaper caught in dozens of fraudulent and erroneous reports about the War since it begin. I say the NY Times is lying or deliberately misleading in this story.

4 posted on 01/13/2008 5:10:13 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: don-o

the Times can research the crimes of veterans, but somehow they cant track the crimes of illegal immigrants


5 posted on 01/13/2008 5:11:35 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: MNJohnnie

Time for a fake Dan Rather piece now.


6 posted on 01/13/2008 5:14:51 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

We can just open any paper to see that the average everyday civilian killings are a far greater percentage.

But it’s the military who are cold blooded murderers.

And, of course, the Times has a legacy to uphold at all costs.


7 posted on 01/13/2008 5:21:10 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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8 posted on 01/13/2008 5:28:33 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: stan_sipple
Who are these NAZI SOBs from the New York Times and the other left-wing anti-American media that put out these stories to help the Islamic terrorist as did Hitler and Stalin?

They must be direct descendants of the Communist and Nazi Scum.

9 posted on 01/13/2008 5:29:20 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: patj
Interesting that they would do a “study” on vets but they ignore Americans killed by illegal aliens. I wonder what that number would be.

How about a study on those from Democratic households compared to Republicans?

10 posted on 01/13/2008 5:35:30 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: stan_sipple
Over the last six years according to the statistics there have been approximately 108,000 murders. So 121 would represent less than 1/10 of a percent. How many people at the New York Times killed people in these six years? Many there helped the Islamic Terrorist Kill hundreds of Americans as did the other left-wing media. So who is the SCUM? The New York Times and the other Nazi descendants of Hitler and Stalin.
11 posted on 01/13/2008 5:35:36 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: stan_sipple

What a damn scummy rag!


12 posted on 01/13/2008 5:44:06 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: don-o
Yet another hit piece from the Old Grey Bitch

LOL You nailed it!!

13 posted on 01/13/2008 5:48:03 AM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: stan_sipple

Just another example of taking a group,of stats and jamming it into the agenda you want to push.


14 posted on 01/13/2008 5:54:44 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: stan_sipple

“At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.”

That seems like a racist comment to me.


15 posted on 01/13/2008 5:57:01 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: YOUGOTIT

Your number of 108,000 is far to low in comparing them to the NYT article. That article was for people killed through motor vehicle accidents, and in ways not connected to premeditated murder.


16 posted on 01/13/2008 5:57:02 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: patj

A comparison of the rate of criminal homicide/veteran to ditto/illegal to ditto/veteran of government funded Middle School would be useful in interpreting these data.


17 posted on 01/13/2008 6:04:41 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stan_sipple
Let's have a political-party-affiliation check as to which Political Party's voters are most involved in crime, shall we?

How many Republicans vs. Democrats voters are in jail, have arrest records for violent crime, or are on parole?

I would bet that of those criminals, 75% of Democrat voters would be about right (or more).

18 posted on 01/13/2008 6:11:29 AM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: stan_sipple

I wonder how many murders were committed in NYC over the past year by non veterans?


19 posted on 01/13/2008 6:15:16 AM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: traditional1

Philadelphia is a mess. Let us hope that the NY Times does a study on who is doing the killing there. It is not the veterans. It is very apparent that the Democrats running the city have no clue how to stop the constituents from
killing people.


20 posted on 01/13/2008 6:16:23 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: stan_sipple

In the NYT world

20 homicides/year from veterans=news

4000 homicides/year from illegals=not worth mentioning.


21 posted on 01/13/2008 6:16:37 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: stan_sipple

Imagine if they reported some study chronicling the number of killings in the same time period from Black or Hispanic gang members.

Instead they just keep fostering the tired old “trained killers released on society” nonsense from Viet Nam.

I also wonder how much their “study” relied on John ‘F’in Kerry’s 1971 ‘testimony?’

I imagine they are preparing for the new ‘winter soldier investigation’ being set up by the IVAW to further defame America’s heroes.


22 posted on 01/13/2008 6:18:51 AM PST by DakotaRed (Support Duncan Hunter, Not who the media says is best.)
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To: patj
Interesting that they would do a “study” on vets but they ignore Americans killed by illegal aliens. I wonder what that number would be.

I don't have data to prove it, but if I were a betting man I would bet that there have been many more deliberate murders (as distinct from "killings" which may include accidental deaths, killing in self defense, etc) committed by Hispanic illegals in just the Atlanta metro area alone in that same time period than all the killings by war vets cited in the NYT article. If the number of accidental and justifiable killings caused by such things as drunk driving and self defense were added to the deliberate murders, the number of deaths caused in some way by illegals would probably more than double.

In any case I don't take anything the NYT says as fact unless it can be verified elsewhere. In recent years it's editorial section has become primarily a propaganda machine for enemies of the US, whoever that may be at any given time, and I don't put it past the paper to allow it's anti-American, anti-military editorial bias to seep over into it's gathering and reporting of actual news as well.

23 posted on 01/13/2008 6:39:51 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: DakotaRed
Instead they just keep fostering the tired old “trained killers released on society” nonsense from Viet Nam.

Nothing really new from Pinko/Liberals.

In 1937, I saw a movie "They Gave Him a Gun" starring Spencer Tracy and Franchot Tone. That movie was still beating on WWI as a generator of men who enjoyed killing.

24 posted on 01/13/2008 7:03:04 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: freema

I saw that story in the Slimes yesterday and it made me so angry I couldn’t even type.


25 posted on 01/13/2008 7:06:34 AM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: stan_sipple

Sounds like plenty of opportunity for episodes on CSI: Las Vegas.


26 posted on 01/13/2008 7:06:56 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

The LTC spokesman for the pentagon could not “reproduce” the research. You mean he was not a part-time novelist?


27 posted on 01/13/2008 7:33:19 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: stan_sipple; freema

This hit piece is just one more excellent example why the NY Slimes have been tagged The Slimes!


28 posted on 01/13/2008 8:06:23 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: stan_sipple
The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq.

349? Hah! That's a drop in the bucket compared to the number of homicides committed by criminal aliens in the last six years.

29 posted on 01/13/2008 8:16:51 AM PST by upchuck (Attention Senator Clinton: Lying Is Stupid When The Truth Is So Easy To Find)
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To: stan_sipple
Saw this on the other thread.


also debunked with stats here: http://www.antimedia.us/posts/1200191106.shtml

“What is so much incredibly worse about this story, however, is not the bias and not the predetermined outcome. It’s the blatant disregard for the facts, which fly in the face of this story and destroy the myth of US soldier as war-haunted homicidal maniac. From the October 1, 2001 start of the Afghanistan war, that’s about 26,000 troops/month. To date (Jan 2008) that would give about 1.99 million.

That means that the NY Times 121 murders represent about a 7.08/100,000 rate.

Now the numbers on deployed troops are probably high - fewer troops from 2001 - 2003; I’d love a better number if someone has it.

But for initial purposes, let’s call the rate 10/100,000, about 40% higher than the calculated one.

Now, how does that compare with the population as a whole?

Turning to the DoJ statistics, we see that the US offender rate for homicide in the 18 - 24 yo range is 26.5/100,000.For 25 - 34, it’s 13.5/100,000. In other words, the homicide rate for returning military personnel is dramatically lower — one-half to less than one-third as much as the general population. The entire thesis of the story is not only false but portrays the exact opposite of the truth!”

2 posted on 01/13/2008 9:52:04 AM CST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")


30 posted on 01/13/2008 8:18:11 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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31 posted on 01/13/2008 8:21:04 AM PST by caveat emptor
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To: jazusamo

The Commiesphere is eating it up though


32 posted on 01/13/2008 8:26:01 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

At the same time the dinosaur media try to suggest the war is turning gis into psycho killers, they also complain that the military recruiting standards are too high, keeping out the disadvantaged.


33 posted on 01/13/2008 11:30:38 AM PST by stan_sipple
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34 posted on 01/13/2008 12:57:10 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: freema

Meanwhile not a peep from the NYSlimes about how the Iraqi security forces are literally dis-assembling the al Qaeda networks. Tis per par.


35 posted on 01/13/2008 1:52:51 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: stan_sipple
121 out of 500,000 total who served over 5 years. Anybody have the civilian numbers for males between 18 and 30? I guarantee it's far worse. The NYT hasn't printed the facts here....nor will they.

It's like the sappy AP suicide among veterans story. Pure BS.

36 posted on 01/13/2008 1:59:18 PM PST by cookcounty (Ja-pan Jack Murtha, The ex-Marine who thinks Okinawa is on his Middle East map.)
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To: stan_sipple

And that’s freeking scary isn’t it!!

They just say what they feel...thoughtlessly, carelessly and with complete ignorance.


37 posted on 01/13/2008 2:43:59 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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