Skip to comments.Report: 121 veterans linked to killings
Posted on 01/13/2008 5:07:09 AM PST by stan_sipple
At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.
The newspaper said it also logged 349 homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans in the six years since military action began in Afghanistan, and later Iraq. That represents an 89-percent increase over the previous six-year period, the newspaper said.
About three-quarters of those homicides involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans, the newspaper said. The report did not illuminate the exact relationship between those cases and the 121 killings also mentioned in the report.
The newspaper said its research involved searching local news reports, examining police, court and military records and interviewing defendants, their lawyers and families, victims' families and military and law enforcement officials.
Defense Department representatives did not immediately respond to a telephone message early Sunday. The Times said the military agency declined to comment, saying it could not reproduce the paper's research.
A military spokesman, Lt. Col. Les Melnyk, questioned the report's premise and research methods, the newspaper said. He said it aggregated crimes ranging from involuntary manslaughter to murder, and he suggested the apparent increase in homicides involving military personnel and veterans in the wartime period might reflect only "an increase in awareness of military service by reporters since 9/11."
Neither the Pentagon nor the federal Justice Department track such killings, generally prosecuted in state civilian courts, according to the Times.
The 121 killings ranged from shootings and stabbings to bathtub drownings and fatal car crashes resulting from drunken driving, the newspaper said. All but one of those implicated was male.
About a third of the victims were girlfriends or relatives, including a 2-year-old girl slain by her 20-year-old father while he was recovering from wounds sustained in Iraq.
A quarter of the victims were military personnel. One was stabbed and set afire by fellow soldiers a day after they all returned from Iraq.
Yet another hit piece from the Old Grey Bitch
Interesting that they would do a “study” on vets but they ignore Americans killed by illegal aliens. I wonder what that number would be.
So we are suppose to simply take the NY Slimes word for it. The word of a newspaper caught in dozens of fraudulent and erroneous reports about the War since it begin. I say the NY Times is lying or deliberately misleading in this story.
the Times can research the crimes of veterans, but somehow they cant track the crimes of illegal immigrants
Time for a fake Dan Rather piece now.
We can just open any paper to see that the average everyday civilian killings are a far greater percentage.
But it’s the military who are cold blooded murderers.
And, of course, the Times has a legacy to uphold at all costs.
They must be direct descendants of the Communist and Nazi Scum.
How about a study on those from Democratic households compared to Republicans?
What a damn scummy rag!
LOL You nailed it!!
Just another example of taking a group,of stats and jamming it into the agenda you want to push.
“At least 121 Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans have committed a killing or been charged in one in the United States after returning from combat, The New York Times reported Sunday.”
That seems like a racist comment to me.
Your number of 108,000 is far to low in comparing them to the NYT article. That article was for people killed through motor vehicle accidents, and in ways not connected to premeditated murder.
A comparison of the rate of criminal homicide/veteran to ditto/illegal to ditto/veteran of government funded Middle School would be useful in interpreting these data.
How many Republicans vs. Democrats voters are in jail, have arrest records for violent crime, or are on parole?
I would bet that of those criminals, 75% of Democrat voters would be about right (or more).
I wonder how many murders were committed in NYC over the past year by non veterans?
Philadelphia is a mess. Let us hope that the NY Times does a study on who is doing the killing there. It is not the veterans. It is very apparent that the Democrats running the city have no clue how to stop the constituents from
In the NYT world
20 homicides/year from veterans=news
4000 homicides/year from illegals=not worth mentioning.
Imagine if they reported some study chronicling the number of killings in the same time period from Black or Hispanic gang members.
Instead they just keep fostering the tired old “trained killers released on society” nonsense from Viet Nam.
I also wonder how much their “study” relied on John ‘F’in Kerry’s 1971 ‘testimony?’
I imagine they are preparing for the new ‘winter soldier investigation’ being set up by the IVAW to further defame America’s heroes.
I don't have data to prove it, but if I were a betting man I would bet that there have been many more deliberate murders (as distinct from "killings" which may include accidental deaths, killing in self defense, etc) committed by Hispanic illegals in just the Atlanta metro area alone in that same time period than all the killings by war vets cited in the NYT article. If the number of accidental and justifiable killings caused by such things as drunk driving and self defense were added to the deliberate murders, the number of deaths caused in some way by illegals would probably more than double.
In any case I don't take anything the NYT says as fact unless it can be verified elsewhere. In recent years it's editorial section has become primarily a propaganda machine for enemies of the US, whoever that may be at any given time, and I don't put it past the paper to allow it's anti-American, anti-military editorial bias to seep over into it's gathering and reporting of actual news as well.
Nothing really new from Pinko/Liberals.
In 1937, I saw a movie "They Gave Him a Gun" starring Spencer Tracy and Franchot Tone. That movie was still beating on WWI as a generator of men who enjoyed killing.
I saw that story in the Slimes yesterday and it made me so angry I couldn’t even type.
Sounds like plenty of opportunity for episodes on CSI: Las Vegas.
The LTC spokesman for the pentagon could not “reproduce” the research. You mean he was not a part-time novelist?
This hit piece is just one more excellent example why the NY Slimes have been tagged The Slimes!
349? Hah! That's a drop in the bucket compared to the number of homicides committed by criminal aliens in the last six years.
also debunked with stats here: http://www.antimedia.us/posts/1200191106.shtml
What is so much incredibly worse about this story, however, is not the bias and not the predetermined outcome. Its the blatant disregard for the facts, which fly in the face of this story and destroy the myth of US soldier as war-haunted homicidal maniac. From the October 1, 2001 start of the Afghanistan war, thats about 26,000 troops/month. To date (Jan 2008) that would give about 1.99 million.
That means that the NY Times 121 murders represent about a 7.08/100,000 rate.
Now the numbers on deployed troops are probably high - fewer troops from 2001 - 2003; Id love a better number if someone has it.
But for initial purposes, lets call the rate 10/100,000, about 40% higher than the calculated one.
Now, how does that compare with the population as a whole?
Turning to the DoJ statistics, we see that the US offender rate for homicide in the 18 - 24 yo range is 26.5/100,000.For 25 - 34, its 13.5/100,000. In other words, the homicide rate for returning military personnel is dramatically lower one-half to less than one-third as much as the general population. The entire thesis of the story is not only false but portrays the exact opposite of the truth!
2 posted on 01/13/2008 9:52:04 AM CST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
The Commiesphere is eating it up though
At the same time the dinosaur media try to suggest the war is turning gis into psycho killers, they also complain that the military recruiting standards are too high, keeping out the disadvantaged.
Meanwhile not a peep from the NYSlimes about how the Iraqi security forces are literally dis-assembling the al Qaeda networks. Tis per par.
It's like the sappy AP suicide among veterans story. Pure BS.
And that’s freeking scary isn’t it!!
They just say what they feel...thoughtlessly, carelessly and with complete ignorance.