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Israeli pianist Barenboim takes Palestinian passport [Dhimmi alert]
YNet ^ | Jan. 13, 2008

Posted on 01/13/2008 11:18:54 AM PST by Alouette

World renowned Israeli pianist, conductor receives PA passport over weekend, asserts Palestinian citizenship. Rare new status could serve a model for peace between the two peoples, he says

Reuters Published: 01.13.08, 16:17 / Israel Culture

Daniel Barenboim, the world renowned Israeli pianist and conductor, has taken Palestinian citizenship and said he believed his rare new status could serve a model for peace between the two peoples.

"It is a great honor to be offered a passport," he said late on Saturday after a Beethoven piano recital in Ramallah,the West Bank city where he has been active for some years in promoting contact between young Arab and Israeli musicians.

"I have also accepted it because I believe that the destinies of the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are inextricably linked," Barenboim said. "We are blessed – or cursed – to live with each other. And I prefer the first."

"The fact that an Israeli citizen can be awarded a Palestinian passport, can be a sign that it is actually possible."

Former Palestinian Information Minister Mustafa Barghouthi, who helped organize Saturday's concert, said the passport had been approved by the previous government of which he was a member and which was replaced in June.

The passport had actually been issued about six weeks ago, he added.

Argentine-born Barenboim, 65, is a controversial figure in his adoptive homeland, both for his promotion of German music and vocal opposition to Israel's occupation of the West Bank.

Asked about US President George W. Bush's remarks last week on a visit to the region that a peace could be signed this year, Barenboim warned of the danger of raising hopes too high.

"It would be absolutely horrible if now, with good intentions, expectations are raised which will not be able to be fulfilled," Barenboim said. "Then we will sink into an even greater depression."

Though he dismissed any wish to play a political role, the former music director of the Chicago symphony Orchestra took a dig at Bush's strikingly forceful call in Jerusalem last week for Israel to end, in the president's own words, "the occupation".

"Now even not very intelligent people are saying that the occupation has to be stopped," Barenboim said. Barenboim, who is based in Berlin, he is closely identified with German music and in 2001 conducted an opera by 19th-century composer Richard Wagner in Jerusalem despite anger in some quarters at a performance of a work by a German accused of anti-Semitic views.


TOPICS: Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: barenboim; classicalmusic; dhimmi; moonbat; palestinians; wagner
Take away his Israeli passport.
1 posted on 01/13/2008 11:18:59 AM PST by Alouette
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2 posted on 01/13/2008 11:19:32 AM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

all talent, no sense of decency.


3 posted on 01/13/2008 11:20:57 AM PST by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: Alouette

Great conductor but I guess that they don’t have a Holiday Inn Express in Ramallah.


4 posted on 01/13/2008 11:24:00 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: Alouette

I am sincerely embarassed for the guy. If he hasn’t the mental faculties to realize why this is problematic, then it says more about him than I could.


5 posted on 01/13/2008 11:40:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Alouette
A great musician, but Barenboim was long best friends with Edward Said. That says it all about his politics.
6 posted on 01/13/2008 11:47:36 AM PST by mojito
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I have his entire set of Beethoven’s nine on DVD-Audio. Spectacular recording. But I have to shake my head at these self loathing Jews.


7 posted on 01/13/2008 12:14:15 PM PST by libh8er
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To: libh8er

Remember, he had to watch his wife, cellist Jacqueline DuPre slowly die from Multiple Sclerosis. I think that can make you crazy.


8 posted on 01/13/2008 12:31:07 PM PST by BigEdLB (BigEd)
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To: Alouette
As I understand it, it is not uncommon for Israelis to carry two or more passports.
9 posted on 01/13/2008 12:33:45 PM PST by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: sitetest

Ping


10 posted on 01/13/2008 12:47:24 PM PST by good old days
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To: Alouette

Okay, I’m just a dumb Gentile, but follow me here. If somebody takes PA citizenship, they can live in the territories, own land there, build a residence there...and nobody can make them leave. Correct?

“Pinky, are you pondering what I’m pondering?”


11 posted on 01/13/2008 12:50:56 PM PST by RichInOC (NARF!)
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To: Alouette
"It is a great honor to be offered a passport," he said late on Saturday after a Beethoven piano recital in Ramallah,the West Bank city where he has been active for some years in promoting contact between young Arab and Israeli musicians.

I give this dreamer a pass because he has made an effort for peace via music
He is not just talk
Too bad he doesn't realize Jihad is eternal and Israel can give the Muslims the entire West Bank and this will not produce peace

12 posted on 01/13/2008 12:57:46 PM PST by dennisw ( Huckabee should put down the huckabong)
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To: Alouette

Will he be premiering the new musical “Hello, Dhimmi!” in Ramallah?


13 posted on 01/13/2008 12:57:58 PM PST by Argus
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To: Alouette

This man accepted a passport from the Barghouti clan, a group that has dozens of family members arrested for terrorist actions over the decades. The clan has never renounced violence, and espouses the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews who do not submit to Muslim rule. This conductor has accepted subjugation over freedom. Nothing more than a capo of propaganda.

14 posted on 01/13/2008 12:58:50 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: RichInOC; Alouette

As another dumb Gentile, my understanding is that he is still (i.e. hasn’t convertered to Islam) a Jew, even if he has Pali ‘citizenship’; so, any Arab/Muslim selling him property does so illegally, committing a capital crime.


15 posted on 01/13/2008 12:59:27 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Alouette

A tidbit about Mr Barenboim that may strike us as odd, under the circumstancces.

When the ‘67 war broke out, he and his wife Jacqueline DuPre (who had converted to Judaism) were among the first on a plane to Israel to help fight for its survival.


16 posted on 01/13/2008 1:58:35 PM PST by Erasmus (I've never been divorced, if you don't count my relationship with reality.)
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To: Erasmus

So?


17 posted on 01/13/2008 2:10:59 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: libh8er

He has a performance of Mahler’s Fifth that I find impressive. It’s been a warhorse for the CSO since the beginning of the Solti era.

The Barenboim reading is available on CD and also on video on DVD. Taped in 1997 in Cologne.


18 posted on 01/13/2008 2:15:34 PM PST by Erasmus (I've never been divorced, if you don't count my relationship with reality.)
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To: Alouette

It leads one to wonder if his perspective has changed in the ensuing forty years.


19 posted on 01/13/2008 2:16:24 PM PST by Erasmus (I've never been divorced, if you don't count my relationship with reality.)
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To: Erasmus
It leads one to wonder if his perspective has changed in the ensuing forty years.

40 years ago I was a liberal. Then I grew up.

20 posted on 01/13/2008 2:24:21 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: BigEdLB

“Remember, he had to watch his wife, cellist Jacqueline DuPre slowly die from Multiple Sclerosis. I think that can make you crazy.”

Actually, as her disease progressed, he dumped her and married another woman.


21 posted on 01/13/2008 2:47:47 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: Alouette

Musical talent need not be linked with moral judgment or political insight.... if he likes the dungheap that is Palistan so much he can go live there and see what it’s really like. Here he is helping the propaganda campaigns of the terrorists who slaughter so many innocents. What a travesty.


22 posted on 01/13/2008 2:59:00 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: Enchante
Well, isn't that spaaychal.. he will probably end up a casualty of the next rocket fired into Palestine.

Frankly I have no idea how you can turn your back on your own people and thumb your nose at them as if they are all wrong and that the poor pali's are so mistreated. A tool of peace?

I think not!

Shalom ya all!

23 posted on 01/13/2008 3:18:57 PM PST by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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To: dennisw
You are so right, actually Israel could just move out of all the land and the Pali's would just take the entire countries infrastructure and turn it into a ghetto a then fight with someone else because they still don't have what they want..

Which is?????

24 posted on 01/13/2008 3:24:49 PM PST by oswegodeee (Dee ( Born and raised in the south, yummy corn bread and BBQ ))
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25 posted on 01/13/2008 3:26:35 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Alouette

There is a certain Israeli tradition here. A former conductor of an Israeli symphony was if my memory serves me correctly, a member of a wartime ghetto police force.


26 posted on 01/13/2008 3:28:12 PM PST by fso301
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To: flaglady47
Actually, as her disease progressed, he dumped her and married another woman.

He dumped her at the very beginning of the disease -- not when she was anywhere near her deathbed. And that was only after he had cheated on Barenboim with her brother-in-law.

27 posted on 01/13/2008 3:33:21 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: BigEdLB

“Remember, he had to watch his wife, cellist Jacqueline DuPre slowly die from Multiple Sclerosis. I think that can make you crazy.”

And while he was “watching his wife slowly die from Multiple Sclerosis” he was carrying on an affair with another woman and having 2 children with her.

He’s quite loyal all around I guess.

Who are these people (or in more simple terms, WTF! )that feel the need to commit cultural suicide and march willingly into the doors of Islamofascist barbarians and murderous thugs?

Always trying to prove that you’re a “liberal” comes first with these people. They’d rather die than not be considered “tolerant”.

Good luck turncoat Barenboim.


28 posted on 01/13/2008 4:55:32 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: BigEdLB

Yes, but he had two sons with another woman before she died. ‘Thinks he kept it secret from DuPre though. And at least he married his concubine once DuPre was cold.


29 posted on 01/13/2008 6:40:25 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Alouette

Reading the threads below (above?) about his private life makes we want to go rent the film HILLARY & JACKIE.


30 posted on 01/13/2008 7:23:50 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: Alouette

btt


31 posted on 01/13/2008 8:01:58 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Alouette

He always was a jerk.


32 posted on 01/13/2008 8:05:29 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: Alouette
Can't say I blame Barrenbrain for taking out a Palestinian passport.

After all, the highly-cultured Pallies can afford the lofty prices commanded by his concerts and for his albums, while most ill-bred, lumpkin Israelis have trouble paying to see and hear him.

Not only is he a talented conductor, Barrenbrain is also touted as a savvy businessman.

Leni

33 posted on 01/13/2008 8:24:51 PM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: MinuteGal

Sarcasm right?


34 posted on 01/13/2008 8:44:05 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
I didn't think I needed the sarcasm notation, LOL.

Leni

35 posted on 01/13/2008 8:58:18 PM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: Alouette
Achtung!
36 posted on 01/13/2008 8:59:47 PM PST by unspun (MIKE HUCKABEE: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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To: garyhope

Remember what we learned about Leonard Bernstein from Tom Wolfe’s book ‘Radical Chic’.


37 posted on 01/13/2008 10:01:59 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Alouette

Exactly right. As to him, the phrase “yemach shemoe” comes to mind..


38 posted on 01/13/2008 11:23:04 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: supremedoctrine
"Remember what we learned about Leonard Bernstein from Tom Wolfe’s book ‘Radical Chic’."

OK, what did 'we' learn? :^)

Sorry to say I never read that book, so I have only a vague idea about it..... I suppose Bernstein came across as a trendy pseudo-leftist hypocrite?? I really don't know anything about his politics except that he leaned left....
39 posted on 01/17/2008 8:34:09 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: Enchante

IT’S ALL IN THE TITLE-—The 60s saw an explosion among people you’d think would know better of giving in to the irresistible urge of proving their hipness by doing things like hosting cocktail parties with people like the Black Panthers as honored guests, which is what Bernstein did. More recently Bill Clinton invited the Crips and the Bloods to the WHouse during his first term. VERY hip bid to gain ‘street cred.’ But by now this whole thing is so well integrated into the way the Media/Political/Celebrity culture do business that we find ourselves having to listen to the criminal Al Sharpton expound on his “community” as if he’s some kind of ‘leader’ rather than scam artist/hustler/


40 posted on 01/17/2008 11:24:15 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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