Skip to comments.Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop
Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee
"A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani." -- Steven Pokorny, age 28, at Giuliani during meeting in Miami, Sunday, Jan. 13
MIAMI, Jan. 13 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rudy Giuliani was rattled by pro-life advocates and canceled his speech at his first bus-tour event Sunday in Miami. Activists have planned confrontations with Rudy for every stop of his Florida bus tour. Photos available online.
On Sunday, Jan. 13, at approximately 12:15 PM, pro-life activists were in the crowd at The Green Street Cafe (located at 3110 Commodor Plaza, Coconut Grove Florida, just outside Miami) waiting for Giuliani to begin his Florida Bus Tour.
When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!" See news report. Law enforcement officials immediately escorted Mr. Landry from the area, while Mr. Landry continued his monologue.
Within Minutes, Steven Pokorny, age 28, stood to his feet and cried out, "A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!" Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.
At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.
Mr. Pokorny was able to follow Mr. Giuliani for more than a minute, yelling out about Rudy's pro-choice, pro-homosexual agenda. Again, Mr. Pokorny was not interrupted by police.
Giuliani officials had no idea how many pro-lifers were in the crowd, and how many more times Giuliani would be confronted. This might explain why Mr. Giuliani did not make any remarks - and left the meeting without addressing supporters.
Pro-lifers have scheduled confrontations with Rudy on every stop of his Florida Bus tour.
Video footage of the confrontations with Rudy is available upon request.
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Im pro-choice. Im pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. No, I have not supported that, and I dont see my position on that changing, he responded. Source: CNN.com, Inside Politics Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm
ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)
RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.
KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.
JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.
KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.
GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.
Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY
Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.
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Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance
As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:
"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.
I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...
Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.
Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."
Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:
"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999
It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?
Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.
An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate
In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.
Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.
Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?
Soft on Gay Marriage
Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.
Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:
His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."
Here's more from the New York Daily News:
"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.
The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.
"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."
Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.
As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:
"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."
That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:
"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."
If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.
The words of Jim Robinson on pushing a liberal like Rino Rudy.
How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think Im referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and Im afraid thats going to piss off some folks.
Jim Robinson, 3/2/07
God, forgive me for saying "truth to power."
As I think I said here earlier, I got a letter from Operation Rescue saying they wanted support so they could have the Truth Trucks follow hillary all over the country during this campaign.
Nothing has been said about it in the press (of course), but I’d venture to guess they are already doing it.
I won’t post the picture here, because it’s extremely gruesome, but here’s a photo of one of their Truth Trucks. It pleases me to think that hillary will be confronted by these images at many of her campaign stops. CLICK ON THE LINK AT YOUR OWN RISK, it’s a graphic image of what abortion really is:
What about civil order? Are you okay with protesters interrupting all rallies, or just the protesters with agendas you support?
Giuliani did not perform abortions, nor did he make abortion legal, nor did he force women to have abortions, nor did he drive women to the abortion clinic, nor did he make those women have sex with men they didn’t want to have children with.
When Rooty drops out they can follow Romney.
You mean, what about being a Good German?
Because the 'Rats are going to nominate an abortionist no matter what, the GOP can avoid that.
Why do you consider it "harassment" to expose a candidate's lifelong liberalism?
You are wrong. Romney had taken a pro life position. Surely you want to encourage more politicians to take it, rather than harass those who have changed their mind and thus discourage others from following.
Romney changed his mind on every major issue, AFTER he was running for POTUS!
I don’t trust NE liberal liers like Romney and Rooty.
I suppose you think that the pro-life movement should just "accept" abortion?
“A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani”
A statement like that is better and clearer than raw numbers of the dead unborn....
Pro-abortion RG is toast.
Herassing Giuliani like this is not going to save a single fetus. Talk about stupid.
Harassing that is...
“It’s time for Rooty Toot to do the right thing and get out of the race.”
And pro-abortion-and-gay-rights Romney also .....
Which conveniently coincided with his decision to run for president.
Why should we trust politicians who make politically expedient promises?
In 1980, GHWB spend months calling Reagan's tax cut proposals "voodoo economics." Then he had eight years to see how effective Reagan's policies were. So in 1988, when running for president, he promised, "Read my lips: no new taxes." Then a couple years later he said it was necessary to raise taxes.
We should not trust a person with a lifelong record of liberalism simply because they say what they think we want to hear during a political campaign.
“You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!”
“A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!”
There has to be a better way of spreading the message besides acting like a total retard.
You didn’t answer my question, so you must be okay with protesters interrupting rallies. Do you support Code Pink?
So, you consider it “retarded” to tell the truth?
I had no idea that First Amendment rights were suspended at rallies.
Giuliani did not perform abortions, nor did he make abortion legal, nor did he force women to have abortions, nor did he drive women to the abortion clinic, nor did he make those women have sex with men they didnt want to have children with.
“You are wrong. Romney had taken a pro life position. “
Romney has a born-again “pro-life” position that started just when his campaign for president started...Whenever the need occurs he will backslide...
Pomney is the type of liberal who will be all things to all voters...whatever you want him to be...whatever you want his position to be for the time it takes to secure your vote...
He is as genuine as a bottle blondes hair color...
I hope Rudy continues to say what he really believes so people can either disregard it, or accept it.
I don’t like that he got harrassed so much, but maybe he was in the wrong church at the time. Maybe next time, he’ll get better directions.
Congratulations to those good Christian citizens who stood up for what they believe so strongly. Being impolite, however, risks their being marginalized, whether appropriately, or not.
Do you not support the Bill of Rights (or the rest of the Constitution for that matter)?
There was none. Indeed, if the scene was taped, it will be used against the Republican nominee -- regardless of his stance on abortion.
We deplore the behavior shown toward conservative speakers on college campuses. This is no different. Certainly, it's nothing to celebrate.
That’s it...go after this pretender. Get the hell out of this race, Rudy.
Giuliani on public funding of abortion
Woo hoo!! Way to go, Florida!! FReep Rudy!!
I see a huge difference: Rudy say he is for abortion. No question. Romney says he is against it. At least he is willing to take this stand. I presume you have never changed your mind on issues and you also are against Fred because of his changed positions. A goal of the pro life movement is to get people to chance their minds. I have no interest to further argue with people who see no hope in anyone changing their mind and take such a gloomy outlook.
There’s never anything wrong with telling the truth...
Stop shooting the messager...
Why arent you out there helping them ???????
By that criteria, no politician should be criticized for being pro-abortion.
The first amendment gives you the right to stand in line and ask a question, but not to interrupt!! What about everyone else’s right to hear and speak?
Time and energy is better spent trying to change the Federal State Judiciary and the appointment of conservative judges. The Dems are masters at rigging the courts and have done so very effectively over the course of many years. A bunch of people screaming and waving signs will accomplish nothing.
“There are smarter ways to achieve pro-life objectives.”
I will never trust ANYTHING that ANY politician says during a campaign when it runs totally contrary to their own record.
Sorry, but my reading of the Constitution does not prohibit Free Speech at political rallies, near buses, outside of buildings, or any other place.
Obviously, in the interest of public safety, I agree with certain limitations, such as not shouting “fire” when there is none.
But the First Amendment is there, first and foremost, to protect the people from being silenced by politicians who would not want to have their “rallies interrupted” by the people.
Maybe so, but this is not helpful for the cause of the pro-life movement. Sorry.
You are seriously misinformed.