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Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop
Christian Newswire ^ | 1/13/08 | Christian Newswire

Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: Constantine XIII
I’m pro-life all the way, but being rude bullies changes no hearts. It only hardens them.

That is an "argument" altogether different than what one is "allowed," pursuant to the Bill of Rights, to do. I think "being rude bullies" may likely have negative effects, and for that reason, I would not, personally, take part in such a protest of that kind.

But what I choose to do is not what everyone chooses; and I would not force MY OWN "politeness" on others, just as I would not have others force theirs onto me.

101 posted on 01/13/2008 2:53:34 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee
I think there is a major difference here that many seem to be missing.

The Republican party is the pro-life party and we have to keep it that way.

If we drive the pro abortion RINO candidates out of the race others wont rush to spend millions to try again.

If just one anti-gun abortionist Republican gets the nomination the party is dead, because we would never get rid of them!

102 posted on 01/13/2008 2:53:43 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: wagglebee

Sorry, but that’s one dumb question.

It’s pretty myopic to focus on simply who is running against whom.

It’s a bit more complex and comprehensive than that.


103 posted on 01/13/2008 2:54:50 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: fightinJAG

“All this does is bring out the pro-abortion zealots.”

Anything that might advance the cause of life will bring them out. The only way *not* to bring them out is to do nothing.

They won’t go down without a fight. We must be glad to bring them out, then we must defeat them.


104 posted on 01/13/2008 2:54:55 PM PST by dsc
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To: wagglebee

BTTT


105 posted on 01/13/2008 2:56:37 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: wagglebee

Even if true, so what? Tell me something it will accomplish for the cause of life.


106 posted on 01/13/2008 2:56:40 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: wagglebee

Well, the kid is partly right saying that. He fails to see that a third of the parents who aborted their kids have a larger responsibility for it because they may have well elected Giuliani and also decided to exercise their ‘right’ under the law.


107 posted on 01/13/2008 2:56:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: wagglebee
>Rudy Giuliani was rattled by pro-life advocates and canceled his speech at his first bus-tour event Sunday in Miami.

Whoa! The moon is turning a new phase if Rudy is not already prepared for receptions like this in Florida.

This is not NY or NJ.
Bad move leaving like that.

108 posted on 01/13/2008 2:57:04 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: fightinJAG

Myopic would be for the GOP to totally abandon the pro-life platform.


110 posted on 01/13/2008 2:57:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bahblahbah
"There has to be a better way of spreading the message besides acting like a total retard. "

Their message is "LOOK AT ME" and acting like total retards is the best they can come up with to spread it. Kinda like Code Pink acting like total retards and then claiming they support the troops.


111 posted on 01/13/2008 2:57:29 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: nicmarlo

Are you a lawyer?


112 posted on 01/13/2008 2:57:48 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: DogandPonyShow

NOBODY prevented Rooty from speaking, get your fact straight.


113 posted on 01/13/2008 2:58:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: KeithCu
Reposting...

I believe that McCain, Mitt and Huck would all lose to Obama or Hillary in the general election.

Therefore, disrupting Rudy’s campaign means we will have a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

The law of unintended consequences...


As correct as you are about McCain, Mitt and Huck, you could not be more incorrect about Rudy and it displays a staggering ignorance of the GOP base and electorate.

Rudy with his extreme liberal positions on the following:

1. Abortion (He was strongly in support of Partial Birth Abortion)
2. Illegal Immigration (He turned NY into a defacto Sanctuary City).
3. His strong support for the Gay agenda (See his endorsements and walking in Gay-Pride Parades).
4. His support for Global Warming.
5. His fiscal spending habits (He left one of the largest, if not largest deficits for his successor in NY History). 6. His past support of democrat politicians over Republican Politicians.

Has alienated enough of the base that they will not vote for him under any circumstances in either the primary or general elections.

In order to win the Presidency in the General Election, the GOP will need every vote of every faction.

Rudy, with his strong negatives with the base will cause a percentage of GOP voter to not vote AND will hand the Presidency to whatever democrat is running.

He is the one candidate guaranteed to hand the presidency to the Dem Candidate.
114 posted on 01/13/2008 2:58:42 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: fightinJAG

Why? Are only lawyers “allowed” to state their opinions and cite case law concerning free speech?


115 posted on 01/13/2008 2:58:57 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee

Nobody said it was wrong or “not allowed.”

I said it wasn’t helpful. And it wasn’t in this case. It was stupid and unnecessary.


116 posted on 01/13/2008 3:00:09 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: I_like_good_things_too
Funding free ultrasounds for newly pregnant women, promoting the publishing of early first trimester ultrasounds to the general public— those are things that actually have an impact on people and cause them to realize it’s a BABY being killed.

Oooh, I like this way! Please post any charities that are making this happen. I believe this is the right way to combat abortion and I am sure lots of Freepers would want to contribute.

117 posted on 01/13/2008 3:00:26 PM PST by Yaelle (If Fred loses it's our loss. Not his.)
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To: nicmarlo; fightinJAG

Hi Nic

I was at the Gathering of Eagles in March and Septembewr last year..

The “I-was-just-a-peon-clerk-in-the-JAG-office-and-not-a-real-lawyer-but-I-play-one-on-FR should have been there, and heard the CANSWER crowd...

He would have really had something to faint and wave his hanky about...

Pass fJAG the smelling salts...


118 posted on 01/13/2008 3:01:21 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Constantine XIII

“I’m sure they wouldn’t mind if Planned Parenthood interrupted their prayer breakfast at Ryan’s Steakhouse. :p
I’m pro-life all the way, but being rude bullies changes no hearts. It only hardens them.”

Every post on your side of this argument contains an implicit assumption of an equivalence between the two sides.

They are not equivalent.

This is a fight between good and evil. Evil does not deserve courtesy or consideration. Good does.

It is a moral good for pro-lifers to disrupt the rites of the baby killers. It is a moral evil for baby killers to...well, to do anything in the cause of baby killing.

Good and evil — not morally equivalent.


119 posted on 01/13/2008 3:01:23 PM PST by dsc
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To: KeithCu
Code Pink had better watch their collective ass here in Florida if they start the same crap that they pull in the Socialist States of the N.E.

Did you see what happened to Code Pink in Miami? - Priceless!!

Rudy needs to be prepared for this, at least in Florida, and not think that its the business as usual, gay agenda forums that he has become familiar with.

120 posted on 01/13/2008 3:01:34 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: nicmarlo; All

In your opinion, does the first amendment protect the Phelps family when they go protest military funerals?

Please don’t feel like I’m putting you on the spot, I’m just curious what the difference is and how you and other folks view it.


121 posted on 01/13/2008 3:03:03 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Petronski; wagglebee

I loved the idea, that one could speask up, and after he is removed, another, and after he is removed, another.

That puts power to truth.


122 posted on 01/13/2008 3:03:10 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: nicmarlo

Please re-read what I wrote. You totally missed the point.

You continually argue what (you think) the Constitution allows.

Even if you are correct, what is the point of doing something within the political process that is counter-productive to the goals of your movement?


123 posted on 01/13/2008 3:03:10 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: fightinJAG; KeithCu; wagglebee
Nobody said it was wrong or “not allowed.”

Really. Then, why is that so clearly indicative when KeithCu said the following:

The first amendment gives you the right to stand in line and ask a question, but not to interrupt!!

124 posted on 01/13/2008 3:03:13 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: Jim Robinson

First Code Pink was run out of Miami as fast as their truck could go, and now Rudy, apparently speechless before a public crowd.

Florida 2, liberals 0


125 posted on 01/13/2008 3:04:10 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: nicmarlo
I had no idea that First Amendment rights were suspended at rallies.

In Giuliani's perfect-world they would be. Or at least all rallies except his. Remember those "taxi-terrorists" in NYC?

126 posted on 01/13/2008 3:05:29 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: nicmarlo

No one said First Amendment rights are “suspended” or that we “live in Marxist China.” Get a grip.

How do you get from numerous comments that these protests are viewed as counter-productive to someone telling you the First Amendment is toast and America is Marxist China?

That’s just weird.


127 posted on 01/13/2008 3:05:38 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: Cicero
I remember a campaign stop back in 1992 when I was in my first year of college, and there were protesters there who had the abortion photos on posterboard, on sticks to show off the viewpoints of Hillary! on abortion.

They may be gross, but they are quite effective in showing her position on abortion.

128 posted on 01/13/2008 3:06:11 PM PST by Maigrey ("We still get our basic rights from God and not government." - Fred D Thompson)
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To: Tennessee Nana
“A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani”

A statement like that is better and clearer than raw numbers of the dead unborn....

BUMP

129 posted on 01/13/2008 3:06:27 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Again, what are those smarter ways that will stop abortion dead in it’s tracks ????????????

Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

Excuse me, but the burden is on those supporting these protests and claiming that they are helpful to give the rest of us some evidence that this is indeed the case.

Let me use your standard: please answer the question, "how will protesting Rudy Guiliani until he gets out of the race STOP ABORTION DEAD IN IT'S [sic] TRACKS ????????????"

130 posted on 01/13/2008 3:08:17 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: KeithCu

Which is beside the point: Rudy is very much in favor of policies that encourage abortion. More than that, he is an advocate. of them.


131 posted on 01/13/2008 3:08:49 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: dsc

It is true that good and evil are not equivalent, but it is also true that Rudy is not evil.

You might be misinformed about him, and you might be angry at him, but that doesn’t make him evil.


132 posted on 01/13/2008 3:08:49 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: Constantine XIII

I’ve already addressed that there are times when, in interest of public safety, as an example, one should not yell “fire” in a crowded theater. I also believe that it is beyond the pale to scream/yell/interrupt a private funeral gathering.

However, if people cannot gather and express themselves at POLITICAL RALLIES, especially concerning national political figures who intend to become president, for what purpose would the Founding Fathers have inserted such an Amendment in the Bill of Rights?


133 posted on 01/13/2008 3:09:09 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee

To everyone involved. Wagglebee is correct.

The poster is misinformed.


134 posted on 01/13/2008 3:10:10 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: nicmarlo

I do think it is wrong. Others might think lawlessness is fine...


135 posted on 01/13/2008 3:10:30 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: fightinJAG; Tennessee Nana
"how will protesting Rudy Guiliani until he gets out of the race STOP ABORTION DEAD IN IT'S [sic] TRACKS ????????????"

That is not the "litmus test" for upholding freedom of speech.

136 posted on 01/13/2008 3:10:35 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: I_like_good_things_too
I can’t help but wonder if they really WANT to reduce/ eliminate abortions or just give themselves a “cause” to rally to.

This is Randall Terry we're talking about! This guy is the Al Sharpton of the pro-life movement.

137 posted on 01/13/2008 3:10:35 PM PST by Drew68
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To: wagglebee

Answer the question, please.

And don’t presume that you have any clue who “my candidate” is.

Or what “upsets” me. What upsets me here is that those cheering on these counter-productive tactics refuse to even try to explain how they think these protests are, in fact, a valuable addition to the political process as it is unfolding at this point in time.


138 posted on 01/13/2008 3:10:51 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“Rudy is indeed a liberal Republican, and I won’t vote for him in the primary. But he would do much better in the war on terror than Hitlery or Hussein Obama or the Breck Girl. He would save more American lives in that respect.”

Zell Miller would also do better than the RATS you mention but I wont be voting for him either.

Romney is still anti-gun and he hasn’t flipped on that yet.


139 posted on 01/13/2008 3:11:01 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: fightinJAG

“Defeating the party of death for one thing.”

Which party would that be ????

In the Republican Party the presidential candidates Romney, Gulianni, Paul are all pro-abortion...

You are awfully young arent you ????


140 posted on 01/13/2008 3:11:33 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: fightinJAG

>Defeating the party of death for one thing.

Yeah, that has worked so well since Roe v Wade.

I see your point, of course.


141 posted on 01/13/2008 3:11:40 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: calcowgirl
In Giuliani's perfect-world they would be. Or at least all rallies except his. Remember those "taxi-terrorists" in NYC?

And apparently, in his supporters' worlds, as well. Good grief.

142 posted on 01/13/2008 3:11:59 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: KeithCu

What laws did these people break?

Please cite them.


143 posted on 01/13/2008 3:12:53 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee

This kind of stuff may actually gain Rudy some votes.


144 posted on 01/13/2008 3:13:10 PM PST by barryg
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To: wagglebee

Prohibited? Free Republic cut its eyeteeth FReeping liberal politicians. Our chapters followed the Clintons, Gores, and Kerrys all around the country and FReeped them at every opportunity. Our FReeps are legend and the harrowing stories are permanently recorded for posterity on news reels and in several books. We’ve never met a liberal that didn’t deserve FReeping!

Rudy Tooters should pray their man (if you can call her that) does not win the nomination. The FReeping opportunities will be limitless.


145 posted on 01/13/2008 3:13:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: KeithCu
disrupting Rudy’s campaign means we will have a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

And supporting Rudy gives us a liberal RINO in the White House--a fate equally unacceptable, if not worse. (Example: Schwarzenegger)

146 posted on 01/13/2008 3:14:19 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: fightinJAG

What’s “weird” is how you are needing to twist everything around from what was initially said and what were the subsequent replies.

It’s obvious YOU are the lawyer.


147 posted on 01/13/2008 3:14:29 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: nicmarlo

If you’re talking about your blahblah at post 68, uh, I don’t think so.

But since you say you already “addressed” the “fire” issue, pray tell, how then are you sticking to your conclusion that the First Amendment is absolute and that there are no limits on protesting at political rallies?

I’ll try to keep up if you try to answer the questions put to you, k?


148 posted on 01/13/2008 3:14:34 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: CGTRWK

Classless acts like this convince the disinterested general public to whom abortion is a second tier issue at best that all pro-lifers are kooks they don’t want to associate with. And that characterization is going to be alive and well in their minds long after this one election.
_______________________________________________________

That’s how we have been told to protect ourselves against the terrorists too...

Be sweet and nice.....

Does that work ?????????


149 posted on 01/13/2008 3:14:36 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: KeithCu
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1777111/posts?page=290#290

The words of Jim Robinson on pushing a liberal like Rino Rudy.

“How many times must I say FR is a conservative site? We do not support abortionism, homosexualism, feminisim, environmentalism, gun control, liberalism, socialism, etc, etc, etc. When I say I suspect we will become even more conservative than we already are, possibly via attrition if nothing else, what do you think I’m referring to? When FR starts pushing hard and I mean hard against abortion, gay marriage, homosexual education forced on our school children, pandering to illegal aliens, gun control, McCaine-Feingold type usurpation, global warming, etc, etc, even if supported or advanced by the GOP, then I fully suspect certain types of moderate/liberal Republican supporters are probably going to be a little uncomfortable here. We will be fighting for traditional American conservatism no matter who we have to fight against and I’m afraid that’s going to piss off some folks.”

Jim Robinson, 3/2/07

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1794037/replies?c=1072

150 posted on 01/13/2008 3:14:59 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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