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Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop
Christian Newswire ^ | 1/13/08 | Christian Newswire

Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: fanfan

speask = speak


151 posted on 01/13/2008 3:15:26 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: wagglebee

So, if there’s no difference between Rudy and any of the Rats, what, exactly, was accomplished to FURTHER the pro-life movement with these protests? Where is the net gain?


152 posted on 01/13/2008 3:16:02 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: KeithCu; wagglebee
Yours is a prescription for chaos, and *stifles* speech.
LOL, free speech stifles free speech? I don't think so. Rooty the Baby Killer can keep speaking if he wants to.
153 posted on 01/13/2008 3:17:06 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Constantine XIII

Amen.

And being rude bullies raises lots of money to fund pro-abortion candidates.

Dumb, when there’s no upside except harassing a failing candidate.


154 posted on 01/13/2008 3:17:26 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: narses

It is your opinion he is a RINO.


155 posted on 01/13/2008 3:17:28 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: barryg; wagglebee

barryg is like a minor infection, not infectious enough to prescribe an antibiotic, but irritating enough to cause discomfort.


156 posted on 01/13/2008 3:17:44 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: fightinJAG

Truth is the net gain. Rooty is exposed as the corrupt coward he is. B’bye rooty!


157 posted on 01/13/2008 3:17:52 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: fightinJAG
sticking to your conclusion that the First Amendment is absolute....

Not only are you a lawyer, you are a snake lawyer. Cite the post where I stated or intimated that. You cannot.

Then go to my post #133.

158 posted on 01/13/2008 3:18:27 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: gracesdad

Let me know if you get an answer to your excellent question. All I’ve heard so far is that such protests are “allowed.”


159 posted on 01/13/2008 3:18:30 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: narses

Yes, protesters stifle the speech of others.


160 posted on 01/13/2008 3:18:51 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Ronald Reagan changed his position on abortion, as well.

Total BS. Do some homework (start here.)

161 posted on 01/13/2008 3:19:39 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: KeithCu

The Mitfords and others who admired Hitler were not evil, nor were the politicians who supported appeasement. But they allowed the evil to grow and grow and grow.


162 posted on 01/13/2008 3:20:33 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: KeithCu

Mine, Jim Robinson’s and all who understand the concept. He is a corrupt liberal. Are you supporting him?


163 posted on 01/13/2008 3:20:56 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Who cares if you think it is benficial or helpful or edifying ???

Thank you for proving my point perfectly.

I am asking those who support these protests to explain what they think they gain for the cause of life by acting this way. I am askign them to tell me why THEY think it is beneficial or helpful or edifying to conduct themselves this way in the political process.

All that I am getting in return is that such protests are "allowed," etc. By the way, I was referring to the teaching by St. Paul. He pointed out that lots of stuff is allowed, but that doesn't mean it should be done.

164 posted on 01/13/2008 3:21:13 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: nicmarlo

See, the Constitution makes a bit of a distinction between rallying and promoting one’s views and these “raids” Code Pink, the Phelps, and certain people I agree with on abortion like to do:

The 1st amendment says:

” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

The functional word here is “peaceable.” I don’t think that word can reasonably be used to describe what was done to Rooty Tootie. He’s dead wrong on abortion, but we who disagree with him have no right to shout him down and shut him out.


165 posted on 01/13/2008 3:21:41 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: fightinJAG

How is supporting LIFE different? It is as basic as it gets. No life = no rights.


166 posted on 01/13/2008 3:21:49 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: KeithCu

Rudy is a RINO.


167 posted on 01/13/2008 3:22:02 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: Cicero

Thank you for just posting a link to the graphic and not the graphic itself. I’m sure there’s more like me who don’t need a graphic to be horrified by abortion however it’s done. It certainly doesn’t have to *look* gruesome to know that the act of killing a baby is absolutely horrendous. I don’t see how anyone could support it in any fashion.

But for those who need to be shocked into reality, it’s good that there *are* realistic graphics of what actually does happen to the child.


168 posted on 01/13/2008 3:22:07 PM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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To: wagglebee
“It will get Rooty out of the race.”

My response to the article was to make a $99 donation to Rudy Giuliani, and submitted with the following message to his website:

“While Rudy is my second choice behind Fred Thompson, to whom I gave $100, I was annoyed by an article posted on Free Republic talking about how “Pro-Life” protesters disrupted a campaign event in Florida. In response to this fascistic assault on free speech I decided to donate $99 to Rudy.”

169 posted on 01/13/2008 3:22:15 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Fred Thompson/Joe Don Baker in 08, because America needs bald, beefy character actors!)
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To: fightinJAG

It does kinda have the feel of kicking a guy when he’s down. :p lol


170 posted on 01/13/2008 3:22:45 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: fightinJAG

I am asking those who support these protests to explain what they think they gain for the cause of life by acting this way...

Exposing the truth

Frightening off Guliani and his ilk

Two good gains, imho.


171 posted on 01/13/2008 3:22:54 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Constantine XIII

In your opinion, does the first amendment protect the Phelps family when they go protest military funerals?

Yes actually it does...Theres already been a decision on their case in court..They cannot go onto private property but they can scream as loud as they want to...and say whatever they want ...

You and I may not like it...but they have that right...


172 posted on 01/13/2008 3:23:05 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: KeithCu

You’re right. Rudy is no RINO. He’s a bonafide gun grabbing, gay agenda advancing, cross-dressing abortion pushing, sanctuary city running, draft-dodging, corrupt, two faced, two bit liberal dog politician.


173 posted on 01/13/2008 3:23:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: wagglebee

What a load of hooey. Show me one poster who has stated or implied that “protesting a politician should be prohibited.”

All I said was that this particular form of protest was counter-productive under all the circumstances.

Stop setting up straw man arguments and deal with the real objections to these protests. If you don’t agree with those who find them unhelpful, fine. But don’t claim they want them “prohibited.”


174 posted on 01/13/2008 3:23:17 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: RobbyS

I agree that if a Hitler takes over America, that more drastic ways of doing things would be allowed.

In the real world of America today, however, I do not support that. In fact, stifling speech is how totalitarianism takes over.


175 posted on 01/13/2008 3:23:25 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: narses

Ah, those were the days! LOL


176 posted on 01/13/2008 3:23:42 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Moral Hazard; wagglebee

“A fool and his money....”

Would you send Planned Parenthood money too?


177 posted on 01/13/2008 3:23:48 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: fightinJAG

“All I said was that this particular form of protest was counter-productive under all the circumstances.”

And you are WRONG. But you knew that, right?


178 posted on 01/13/2008 3:24:32 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I’m probably older than you, and you ought to know what while the Republican Party is divided on the issue, the pro-life faction has considerable influence. It has almost none in the Democratic Party. Case in point: Casey vs Santorum. Now that he is elected, young Casey marches in step with the rest.


179 posted on 01/13/2008 3:24:53 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Constantine XIII

Peaceful protest does not limit one to being mute or speaking softly.

Unless criminal behavior occurs, the Supreme Court has ruled that protests are covered under the Bill of Rights. Protesters may have to file a fee to gather in groups, but show me where SCOTUS has determined that gatherings cannot occur unless people are quiet.


180 posted on 01/13/2008 3:25:16 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee
I guess this is an example of the type of solid 'support' that Rudy could expect from the traditional base.

No one would divide and split the Party wide open like him. NO ONE.

181 posted on 01/13/2008 3:25:22 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: nicmarlo

No one is “forcing” anything on anyone here. Stating one’s opinion that another’s conduct-—in this case, in protesting-—is not helpful, is just that: an opinion offered for the sake of influencing behavior.

If, as you do, you believe that such tactics (”being rude bullies”) are not helpful to the cause of life, why don’t you speak up against them? And why are you arguing with people who are willing to speak up agains them?


182 posted on 01/13/2008 3:26:09 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Well said! Unkind to the canine friends we have but understandable. You also left out draft-dodging, corrupt and adulterous but then nobody is perfect.


183 posted on 01/13/2008 3:26:11 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: stockstrader

> No one would divide and split the Party wide open like him.
> NO ONE.

He would split the party less than Mitt, Huck, and McCain.


184 posted on 01/13/2008 3:27:09 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: dsc

The choice is not between worthless protests such as these and doing “nothing.”

Of course, we should not do “nothing.”


185 posted on 01/13/2008 3:27:29 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: narses

You’re right. I’ve got to remember to put in three-timing adulterous philanderer next time.
Thanks


186 posted on 01/13/2008 3:27:48 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: fightinJAG

I already stated why.

It is not MY PLACE OR RIGHT to tell other people what to do, how to act, or when to protest.

That is THEIR right. They are not lawbreakers because they CHOOSE to protest. And I support their right to do so.

And if it were Hillary they were protesting, I’d be feeling the exact same way.

Hillary and Rudi are not the PROTECTED FROM THE PEOPLE class. They may like to be, but they aren’t.


187 posted on 01/13/2008 3:28:51 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: fightinJAG

Again, what are those smarter ways that will stop abortion dead in it’s tracks ????????????
Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

Excuse me, but the burden is on those supporting these protests and claiming that they are helpful to give the rest of us some evidence that this is indeed the case.
__________________________________________________________

I cant hear them...

I can only hear you complaining that they did it the wrong way...

Again,...since you have been expounding on your expertise for several posts now, please enlighten the rest of us and allow us to drink deeply at the fount of you hgher wisdom and knowledge on the subject at hand...
/s

How would you stop abortion ????????????


188 posted on 01/13/2008 3:29:16 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jim Robinson
Most welcome sir, most welcome.

While he was the “Republican Mayor” of New York City he appointed more than 60 men and women to the Civil, Criminal, and Family Court benchs. In all of those judicial appointment only two were Republican.

All of his other judical appointments were either registered Liberals or registered Democrats. As the “Republican Mayor” he had appointment power over more than 70 full commissioners in more than 50 City agencies, yet at no time during his administration did REPUBLICANS account for more than 10% of those appointments.

He even appointed Chuck Schumers wife as the City’s Department of Transportation Commissioner.


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“And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts.”
Rudolph Giuliani

At the first Republican debate in May, Giuliani was alone among the GOP candidates in offering a less-than-robust affirmation when asked whether it would be a good day if the Supreme Court overturned the Roe v. Wade ruling.

"It would be OK," Giuliani said. "It would be OK to repeal it."

But, he added: "It would be OK also if a strict constructionist viewed it as precedent" and kept the law intact.

189 posted on 01/13/2008 3:29:36 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: fightinJAG

How would you stop abortion ????????????


190 posted on 01/13/2008 3:30:09 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: KeithCu

No way. At least those three offer, try to offer, or pretend to offer social conservatives SOMETHING. Rudy unpologetically offer them nothing. (I know, I know—at least he is honest..lol)


191 posted on 01/13/2008 3:30:27 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: KeithCu

Wrong. Dead wrong.


192 posted on 01/13/2008 3:30:44 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee

Just because some feel these protests were counter-productive under all the circumstances, you take from that that somehow this encompasses “totally abandoning the pro-life platform.”

You still haven’t addressed how you think these types of protests are valuable and worthwhile.


193 posted on 01/13/2008 3:31:05 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: KeithCu

How would you stop abortion ????????????


194 posted on 01/13/2008 3:31:14 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hear! Hear!

But I still think Rudy looks better in a dress than Hillary.

Just so neither of their address' is ever again Pennsylvania Avenue.

195 posted on 01/13/2008 3:31:54 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: wagglebee
"A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani."

We will vote for them.

196 posted on 01/13/2008 3:32:02 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: wagglebee

Baby-murdering Mr. Giuliani should be hounded from this race, and shamed into leaving public life entirely.


197 posted on 01/13/2008 3:32:26 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: fightinJAG
You still haven’t addressed how you think these types of protests are valuable and worthwhile.

They offer a bit of foresight into what kind of support Rudy could expect from the traditional base....lol

198 posted on 01/13/2008 3:32:30 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: narses
How would you stop abortion ????????????

That's actually a good question. I don't know how else someone can go about it, especially when the "lawmakers" who have the power to change it are encouraging it to continue.

199 posted on 01/13/2008 3:32:41 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: wagglebee

Good for them.Wish I was there.


200 posted on 01/13/2008 3:32:59 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs for Martin Luther King Day :))
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