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Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop
Christian Newswire ^ | 1/13/08 | Christian Newswire

Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
“In 1980, GHWB spend months calling Reagan’s tax cut proposals “voodoo economics.” Then he had eight years to see how effective Reagan’s policies were. So in 1988, when running for president, he promised, “Read my lips: no new taxes.” Then a couple years later he said it was necessary to raise taxes.

We should not trust a person with a lifelong record of liberalism simply because they say what they think we want to hear during a political campaign.”

Allow me to add to your great comment here...

G HW Bush also got the NRA endorsement when he ran the first time. Shortly before he ran for his 2nd term he got pissed at the NRA, tore up his membership card and said he wanted nothing more to do with them.

Well, he got his wish. No endorsement and he lost!

No Republican has EVER been elected without the NRA endorsement and that is something else Rooty and Romney will never get!

You can’t trust liberals!

51 posted on 01/13/2008 2:28:26 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: fightinJAG
Maybe so, but this is not helpful for the cause of the pro-life movement. Sorry.

So, you would consider having a pro-abortion Democrat running against a pro-abortion Republican for president to be helpful to the pro-life movement?

52 posted on 01/13/2008 2:28:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

So the partial birth abortion ban didn’t change what was legal and illegal in this country?


53 posted on 01/13/2008 2:29:13 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: wagglebee

The form of this protest will have no effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election except to fire up the hardest core of the pro-abortion contingent.


54 posted on 01/13/2008 2:29:29 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: KeithCu

The first amendment gives you the right to stand in line and ask a question, but not to interrupt!! What about everyone else’s right to hear and speak?
___________________________________________________________

Do you go over to DU and tell them how to act when they march and protest ??????

Why are you yelling at people here ???????????


55 posted on 01/13/2008 2:29:58 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: wagglebee

Are you sure these weren’t Ron Paul supporters???


56 posted on 01/13/2008 2:30:08 PM PST by barryg
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To: wagglebee

Please. The poster said nothing of the sort. You know very well that there is quite a difference between “accepting” abortion and being smart about how one tries to advance the cause of life.

I’m disappointed in your retort, frankly.


57 posted on 01/13/2008 2:31:31 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: Beagle8U
No Republican has EVER been elected without the NRA endorsement and that is something else Rooty and Romney will never get!

Actually, when the NRA endorsed Reagan in 1980 it was the first time that they had ever endorsed anyone. However, prior to that, there was no real concern about Second Amendment rights being infringed, so your excellent point is well taken.

58 posted on 01/13/2008 2:32:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

We live in the day wagglebee, when it is okay as long as the other guy thinks it is okay.

It is called sacrificing principles. If it is okay for them, then why is it bad for me to be just like them?

Sickening.

Same as the case of the pregnant Marine. Her CHILD was about to be born. They say, it was just a fetus.

This whole race is the race of who gets to win, not about principle. Problem is, no one wins.

*sigh*


59 posted on 01/13/2008 2:32:31 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: wagglebee

You can say I’m misinformed, but that doesn’t make it true.

Yours is a prescription for chaos, and *stifles* speech.


60 posted on 01/13/2008 2:32:45 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: fightinJAG
The form of this protest will have no effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election except to fire up the hardest core of the pro-abortion contingent.

It will get Rooty out of the race.

61 posted on 01/13/2008 2:33:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: khnyny

All this does is bring out the pro-abortion zealots.


62 posted on 01/13/2008 2:33:21 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: wagglebee

John Hagee’s sermon today mentioned that Social Security is going to fail because we have aborted 48 million Americans, thanks to Rudy, Hillary, Obama and their ilk.


63 posted on 01/13/2008 2:33:43 PM PST by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: wagglebee

The following two posts were brilliant, no need to comment further.

Posted by okie01 to svcw
On News/Activism ^ 01/13/2008 2:21:35 PM PST · 37 of 58 ^

I see no benefit to the pro-life cause screaming and harassing like banshees.
There was none. Indeed, if the scene was taped, it will be used against the Republican nominee — regardless of his stance on abortion.

We deplore the behavior shown toward conservative speakers on college campuses. This is no different. Certainly, it’s nothing to celebrate.
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Giuliani Rattled, Cancels Remarks as Pro-lifers Disrupt Sunday Bus Tour Stop ^
Posted by khnyny to svcw
On News/Activism ^ 01/13/2008 2:16:00 PM PST · 28 of 58 ^

I see no benefit to the pro-life cause screaming and harassing like banshees.

Actually, I agree with you. It is counter-productive. Screaming and harrassing like banshees just makes pro-life people look like fanatics and gives good prime time video to the MSM. It also alienates people and/or candidates who might be vearing pro-life.

There are smarter ways to achieve pro-life objectives.


64 posted on 01/13/2008 2:35:03 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: pray4liberty

That is also the main reason we have 20 million or so illegal aliens in America, we don’t have enough workers.


65 posted on 01/13/2008 2:35:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; blahblahblah...

Please!

Do you not understand the difference between the various times, places and manners in which one might tell the truth?

This is just dumb.


66 posted on 01/13/2008 2:35:23 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: wagglebee

I believe that McCain, Mitt and Huck would all lose to Obama or Hillary in the general election.

Therefore, disrupting Rudy’s campaign means we will have a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

The law of unintended consequences...


67 posted on 01/13/2008 2:36:14 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: wagglebee; KeithCu
The first amendment gives you the right to stand in line and ask a question, but not to interrupt!!

Bill of Rights * Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or
the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The U.S. Supreme Court recognized the importance of this freedom in the 1937 case De Jonge v. State of Oregon, writing that "the right to peaceable assembly is a right cognate to those of free speech and free press and is equally fundamental." According to the Court the right to assemble is "one that cannot be denied without violating those fundamental principles which lie at the base of all civil and political institutions."

* * *

The First Amendment protects peaceful, not violent, assembly. However, there must a "clear and present danger" or an "imminent incitement of lawlessness" before government officials may restrict free-assembly rights. Otherwise, the First Amendment's high purpose can too easily be sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.


68 posted on 01/13/2008 2:36:19 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: pray4liberty

Correction: he didn’t mention the politicians by name, that’s my post.


69 posted on 01/13/2008 2:36:23 PM PST by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: bahblahbah

Oh no, you must by a liberal abortionist if you disagree with the tactics of those that make it a goal in life to TURN PEOPLE OFF on the pro-life movement by behaving like irrational ninnies.

/ sarc

Funding free ultrasounds for newly pregnant women, promoting the publishing of early first trimester ultrasounds to the general public— those are things that actually have an impact on people and cause them to realize it’s a BABY being killed. Screeching inanities at politicians who aren’t in favor of stoning those who are “pro-life” does such damage to the cause, I can’t help but wonder if they really WANT to reduce/ eliminate abortions or just give themselves a “cause” to rally to.

But I’ve been down this road before...


70 posted on 01/13/2008 2:37:04 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too (Check the "Yes" box next to survival)
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To: nicmarlo; KeithCu
I had no idea that First Amendment rights were suspended at rallies

This is reasoning that typifies DU.

Perhaps you have never heard the teaching that not everything that is allowed is beneficial or helpful or edifying?

71 posted on 01/13/2008 2:38:12 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: fightinJAG

The GOP has been pro-life for decades, why is it wrong to protest a pro-abortion candidate for the GOP presidential nomination?


72 posted on 01/13/2008 2:38:21 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You are correct. Before 1980 even the RATS were pro-gun.

Remember the Jimmy Carter turkey hunting photo ops?


73 posted on 01/13/2008 2:39:49 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U
Ronald Reagan changed his position on abortion, as well. I am willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt.

Rudy is indeed a liberal Republican, and I won't vote for him in the primary. But he would do much better in the war on terror than Hitlery or Hussein Obama or the Breck Girl. He would save more American lives in that respect.

74 posted on 01/13/2008 2:39:56 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: wagglebee

How many times: GHWB did not say “no new taxes” he said “no nude Texans”.


75 posted on 01/13/2008 2:40:31 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: fightinJAG; KeithCu
Perhaps you have never heard the teaching that not everything that is allowed is beneficial or helpful or edifying?

The statement he proffered had absolutely NOTHING to do with what was "beneficial, or helpful, or edifying" and EVERYTHING to do with what was "allowed." First Amendment rights are NOT suspended when a politician gets off the bus, or walks toward a building, or even plans to speak in front of a crowd.

We do not live in Marxist China.

76 posted on 01/13/2008 2:41:20 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: Beagle8U

Jimmy Carter grew up in southwest Georgia (which has some of the best hunting in the world) at a time when just about every man there was a lifelong hunter, it would have been abnormal if he wasn’t a hunter.


77 posted on 01/13/2008 2:41:32 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; KeithCu; Petronski
Do you not support the Bill of Rights (or the rest of the Constitution for that matter)?

You know very well it's not an issue of what is allowed, or an issue of someone's "rights," but an issue of what is appropriate, helpful, beneficial and useful.

It would be helpful, waggie, if you would address the actual question---do you think it adds to the political process to have candidates shouted down to the point of being unable to speak, or do you think it only matters what the point of the protest is?

It has nothing to do with one's rights to protest. I'm sorry, that's ridiculous and I think you know that very well.

78 posted on 01/13/2008 2:42:04 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: svcw; khnyny

“There are smarter ways to achieve pro-life objectives.”

Again, what are those smarter ways that will stop abortion dead in it’s tracks ????????????


79 posted on 01/13/2008 2:42:29 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: okie01

Thank you.


80 posted on 01/13/2008 2:42:55 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: wagglebee

Reposting...

I believe that McCain, Mitt and Huck would all lose to Obama or Hillary in the general election.

Therefore, disrupting Rudy’s campaign means we will have a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

The law of unintended consequences...


81 posted on 01/13/2008 2:43:59 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: KeithCu; nicmarlo

You mean the First Amendment doesn’t allow you to protest a film by yelling “fire” inside a crowded theater? Who knew?


82 posted on 01/13/2008 2:44:37 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: fightinJAG; KeithCu; Petronski
It would be helpful, waggie, if you would address the actual question---do you think it adds to the political process to have candidates shouted down to the point of being unable to speak, or do you think it only matters what the point of the protest is?

People have been protesting at political rallies ever as long as there's been free speech. I realize that it upsets you that it's being done to your chosen candidate, but that's the way it is.

83 posted on 01/13/2008 2:44:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Just Wow!


84 posted on 01/13/2008 2:45:30 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fightinJAG

Sorry, you’re a little late. I already addressed the “fire” issue.

Try to keep up, k?


85 posted on 01/13/2008 2:45:32 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: KeithCu
I believe that McCain, Mitt and Huck would all lose to Obama or Hillary in the general election.

Therefore, disrupting Rudy’s campaign means we will have a Democrat in the White House in 2008.

The law of unintended consequences...

You want to talk about unintended consequences?

Nominating Rooty Toot would 100% guarantee that we have a flaming liberal in the White House next year. There is NO DIFFERENCE between Rooty and the 'Rats.

86 posted on 01/13/2008 2:47:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bahblahbah

He is from that Randall Terry group.


87 posted on 01/13/2008 2:47:31 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: KeithCu

You’re right.

And the term is: Professional Abortion Enabler.


88 posted on 01/13/2008 2:47:33 PM PST by papasmurf (I'm voting for FRed, even if I have to write him in.)
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To: wagglebee
You are a baby killer!

I hate the way these people act...it's not better than Code Pink.

89 posted on 01/13/2008 2:47:46 PM PST by Swordfished
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To: wagglebee; KeithCu

Then on what basis are police called to haul off protesters when they become so harrassing that the person cannot speak and the rally cannot continue?

On what basis can cities require permits for protesters and draw up “no protest” zones for certain events?

I would be careful telling others that they are “seriously misinformed.”

The First Amendment right to speak is not absolute, nor is any other constitutional right.

And, besides, this is not about what is legal or constitutional. It’s about what is helpful or beneficial to the pro-life cause. I’m sure you have some teaching somewhere that just because something is “allowed,” that does not mean it is good to do it.


90 posted on 01/13/2008 2:48:52 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: nicmarlo

I’m sure they wouldn’t mind if Planned Parenthood interrupted their prayer breakfast at Ryan’s Steakhouse. :p

I’m pro-life all the way, but being rude bullies changes no hearts. It only hardens them.


91 posted on 01/13/2008 2:49:00 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: wagglebee

What about partial birth abortion which Rudy supports? What about judges? What about taxes? What about the Mexico City policy, which Rudy also supports?

What about the war on terror? No point defending the unborn when the born are dead.


92 posted on 01/13/2008 2:49:49 PM PST by KeithCu
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To: Tennessee Nana

Defeating the party of death for one thing.


93 posted on 01/13/2008 2:49:52 PM PST by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")
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To: wagglebee

I’m most definitely not for Rudy, but you know when liberals use this tactic we call them intolerant and criticize them for not allowing the other side to speak. How is this different?


94 posted on 01/13/2008 2:50:15 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: KeithCu
but not to interrupt!!

According to the source there was no interruption. Rudy did not attempt to speak. No one threw anything at him like the left does to Ann Coulter. No onr physically attacked the stage to force him away, as the left does frequently. It appears that you are against speech you disagree with

95 posted on 01/13/2008 2:50:25 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: KeithCu
Giuliani did not perform abortions, nor did he make abortion legal, nor did he force women to have abortions, nor did he drive women to the abortion clinic, nor did he make those women have sex with men they didn’t want to have children with.

Most people who go to hell DIDN'T do a lot of things.

96 posted on 01/13/2008 2:50:38 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: be-baw

“Being impolite, however, risks their being marginalized”

And being polite to evil scumbags guarantees that they will run roughshod over you.


97 posted on 01/13/2008 2:50:49 PM PST by dsc
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To: fightinJAG

“I had no idea that First Amendment rights were suspended at rallies
This is reasoning that typifies DU.

Perhaps you have never heard the teaching that not everything that is allowed is beneficial or helpful or edifying?”
_____________________________________________________

Who cares if you think it is benficial or helpful or edifying ???

“I may not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it”..Voltaire

You call yourself a lawyer but you would deny the conservatives here their First Amendment Rights to free speech because what they say may not be considered beneficial, helpful or edifying by you ???

Speech (regardless of the content or volume) that is uttered in order to save the lives of unborn children ??????

You must be a liberal....


98 posted on 01/13/2008 2:51:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: wagglebee

Abortion is a bigger fight than just one election.

Classless acts like this convince the disinterested general public to whom abortion is a second tier issue at best that all pro-lifers are kooks they don’t want to associate with. And that characterization is going to be alive and well in their minds long after this one election.


99 posted on 01/13/2008 2:52:55 PM PST by CGTRWK
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To: Jim Robinson
Woo hoo!! Way to go, Florida!! FReep Rudy!!

Unfortunately, the Rooty Rooter around here seem to think that protesting a politician should be prohibited.

100 posted on 01/13/2008 2:53:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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