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The man who knew too much? The truth about the death of Hillary close friend Vince Foster
Daily Mail ^ | 15th January 2008 | SALLY BEDELL SMITH

Posted on 01/15/2008 4:55:18 AM PST by IrishMike

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To: FishTale

Don’t stop him, he’s on a role.


101 posted on 01/15/2008 8:41:22 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: gracesdad
But you’ll never convince the people who just HAVE to believe that the Clintons have had dozens murdered.

Of course one could suppose that the Clintons were tight with the Arkansas mafia and doing Foster was a way to send the Clintons a message that they are still "owned."

102 posted on 01/15/2008 9:17:44 AM PST by Snardius
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To: printhead

I don’t know, but check out post #74.


103 posted on 01/15/2008 9:44:38 AM PST by Yaelle (If Fred loses it's our loss. Not his.)
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To: printhead

I tried the archives section (top right) of the NY post home page .... nothing.


104 posted on 01/15/2008 9:49:55 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: ExGeeEye

I am trying to picture that (ugh)... and I still don’t see that as being the “best” way - although I can at least visualize it. Maybe it is that it isn’t the Hollywood version of shooting yourself... I don’t know.


105 posted on 01/15/2008 11:31:22 AM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Shooter, have you seen the Discovery Channel special “Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet”? In the show, they recreate the positions of Connally, JFK, and Oswald and replicate both the path and wounds of the single bullet using artificial torsos that mimic flesh and bones. The bullet surfers more deformation only because it struck two ribs rather than one. If you have not seen it, do so. I watched it this past weekend.
106 posted on 01/15/2008 11:39:55 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: IrishMike
The Clinton White House was found to be in possession of more than 1,000 FBI files of Republican White House employees.

Help me out here; I thought those were files of important Washington insiders, including congressmen and senators.

Were those files limited to White House staffers? If so I've been mistaken.

107 posted on 01/15/2008 1:55:20 PM PST by tsomer
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To: ExGeeEye
The gun-reversed-in-hand, thumb-on-the-trigger method would “work” “best”.

If you held the gun upside down, or even sideways, you could hold it in the conventional fashion.

Gruesome to speculate on this, but it does spark my curiosity

Something I noticed in the picture: the index finger is relaxed and straight. Would the fingers of the hand straighten like that in the throes of this sort of death?

108 posted on 01/15/2008 2:04:00 PM PST by tsomer
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To: nuconvert

Another clue that the author is clueless...she’s wrong about the suicide in the movie. The officer was ashamed because of his part in the incident that caused the death of the marine and in helping to cover it up, not because of having to testify. (at least that was my impression from the movie.)

As for everything else, she could be right.


109 posted on 01/15/2008 2:04:57 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: webschooner

If only the CSI team had been on this case ....


110 posted on 01/15/2008 2:06:56 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: IrishMike

No doubt he was distraught and guilt-ridden over what he had been a party to at the White House. But I believe it was his instinct to come clean, not ace himself. Perhaps he unwisely mentioned it to his boss who, no matter her feelings for him, could not allow it to happen. An honorable man frees his troubled soul through admission and expiation, not suicide — and Vince Foster was an honorable man.


111 posted on 01/15/2008 2:20:08 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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To: gracesdad

I believe a bunch of it, not all. Dont ignore it just because it seems so outrageous.


112 posted on 01/15/2008 2:50:57 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: tsomer
the index finger is relaxed and straight

Another thing I know from observation; in death, the only things that may prevent a body from completely relaxing are gravity and obstacles. There are no remeining nerve impulses telling muscles to relax. If VF died due to sudden annihilation of the motor control areas in the brain, every part of him would instantly relax to the extent possible.

Rigor mortis would simply, temporarily, "freeze" the body in this relaxed position.

113 posted on 01/15/2008 3:49:13 PM PST by ExGeeEye (NIE or no NIE, I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: IrishMike

We must NOT recycle this stuff. Hillary has done enough legitimately wrong for us to dig up without making ourselves look like conspiracy theorists in the process. Ths is old news, that very few people believe, and will only discredit those who oppose Hillary and strengthen her. Just as adversity strengthened her during the impeachment proceedings.

Hillary will be difficult enough to beat. We must not give her any more weapons to use against us.


114 posted on 01/15/2008 4:00:42 PM PST by COgamer
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To: IrishMike

OH, yeah, and what about that photo from Vince’s point of view looking at Hitlery holding a gun and saying “Sorry Vince”?! Who needs more proof than that?!


115 posted on 01/15/2008 4:08:22 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: IrishMike

Our Alamo Girl has a good version of this. Hers is as good if not better.


116 posted on 01/15/2008 4:13:30 PM PST by sport
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To: justiceseeker93

Ping!


117 posted on 01/15/2008 4:21:15 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: Wolfie

I laughed reading that post. I predict another great purge when the time comes.


118 posted on 01/15/2008 4:24:58 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Shooter 2.5
The relatives identified the gun as belonging to Vince Foster's father.

False! No one in the Foster family ever id'd that gun as belonging to anyone in the family. Nor were any Foster fingerprints found on it. (See Amborose Evans-Pritchard's book, The Secret Life of Bill Clinton, published by Regnery in 1997).

119 posted on 01/15/2008 10:04:10 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: ExGeeEye; tsomer
Correction:

There are no remeining nerve impulses telling muscles to relax

should read

There are no remaining nerve impulses telling muscles to contract.

120 posted on 01/16/2008 2:58:28 AM PST by ExGeeEye (NIE or no NIE, I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: Osage Orange

Ok, so whoever the Republican nominee is will probably roll over and kiss the beasts butt.


121 posted on 01/16/2008 3:15:48 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: altura
They were and the Park Service CSI team puts the NY, LV, and Miami teams to shame with their futuristic crime labs and large professional teams designed to solve every possible suspicious death that falls under their jurisdiction every seven to ten years. /sarcasm
122 posted on 01/16/2008 3:31:42 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Hawthorn; snugs

thanx for the explanation


123 posted on 01/16/2008 3:48:04 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: justiceseeker93

When you do research it’s important to use more than one source.

The gun belonged to Vince’s father.


124 posted on 01/16/2008 5:23:26 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Joe Boucher
Didn't the GOP have tons of info...on the Clintons when Slick was in office?

Yes.

Did they use it effectively?

125 posted on 01/16/2008 6:21:43 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is blacker, than the devils riding boots.................)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The gun belonged to Vince's father.

Well, what is your source for that? Not even the error-filled Fiske and Starr reports make that claim! And if Foster actually fired that gun, how do explain the fact that no prints were found on the gun's surface by the FBI lab? And how do you explain the fact that no matching bullet was ever recovered from either the body or the area surrounding the body?

126 posted on 01/16/2008 8:25:58 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Shooter 2.5
The relatives identified the gun as belonging to Vince’s father.

Relatives didn't want to find out where Ft Marcy Park was located.

127 posted on 01/16/2008 8:53:05 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: ml/nj
Not a very good article.

Any article trying to play up the idea that VWF was "depressed" or "distraught" is either just wrong or deliberately deceptive. No one familiar with the deceased noticed anything unusual to suggest "depression" in the months preceding his death. It was only after the death had occurred that these postmortem MSM armchair psychoanalyses became trendy, undoubtedly to cover up a heinous crime.

128 posted on 01/16/2008 9:14:55 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: DainBramage
There is plenty of evidence [of homicide;] it's just that the media ignores it.

That's the crux of the matter in a nutshell!

129 posted on 01/16/2008 9:17:37 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: IrishMike

BTW, Craig Livingstone also had a major role in the Foster plot. He was sent to the morgue (with Bill Kennedy) to identify Foster’s body - after which Foster’s car keys, not noticed by police at FMP, magically appeared for the first time in the deceased’s pants pocket.

The following morning, Livingstone was seen removing files from Foster’s office.

Where is he now? No one knows.


130 posted on 01/16/2008 9:31:45 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: FishTale
He was right about THAT!

Well, whoever wrote that note was correct. However, the author of that note was not Vince Foster. The note was a forgery, as determined by three world-class handwriting experts.

131 posted on 01/16/2008 9:41:50 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Shooter 2.5

I could be wrong and you’re probably better informed but it was my understanding that his wife could not recall such a gun but that Foster had brought a differently colored handgun to DC from Arkansas. I don’t believe she had seen it for some time and MAY have been LED to identify it as his.


132 posted on 01/16/2008 9:46:41 AM PST by Doc Savage (The tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants)
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To: Osage Orange

No they did not.
Even after the election and inaguration of G.W. Bush there was enough dirt on the Clintons to have them locked up in Leavenworth. However G.W. Bush decided to cover for their sorry criminal actions instead of turning out ALL Clinton appointees and persueing criminal indictments. He screwed up as if he had our country already would have been rid of them and their criminal agenda.


133 posted on 01/16/2008 11:08:53 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher
Even after the election and inaguration of G.W. Bush there was enough dirt on the Clintons to have them locked up in Leavenworth.

This guy's give each other for the most part...."professional courtesy". Especially the office of POTUS. We can't have the public knowing the truth, don'cha know....

However G.W. Bush decided to cover for their sorry criminal actions instead of turning out ALL Clinton appointees and persueing criminal indictments.

And you don't think there was broad based approval from the GOP..in that decision? F.B.I. files and cross aisle crony-ism come to my mind. But that's just me...


134 posted on 01/16/2008 11:21:58 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is blacker, than the devils riding boots.................)
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To: Osage Orange

Sure would love to see a hard ass like Newt used to be before he started making money in as Republican senate congressional leaders.
As for the Presidency?I think we only have imbeciles in the race for that office.


135 posted on 01/16/2008 12:13:36 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Wolfie

lol. It will be nice won’t it.


136 posted on 01/16/2008 12:45:51 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Joe Boucher
Sure would love to see a hard ass like Newt used to be before he started making money in as Republican senate congressional leaders.

Yes....but when there too long they get addicted to looking into mirrors.

Term limits would help. I'd vote for a Democrat if I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt they could make Term Limits happen.

I'm in no danger.

As for the Presidency? I think we only have imbeciles in the race for that office.

Pretty much agree....

137 posted on 01/16/2008 1:03:32 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is blacker, than the devils riding boots.................)
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To: Osage Orange

I think you’d have to be a pretty strange bird to begin with to run for the presidency.
Who but a nut job would allow every aspect of ones life to be inspected by the media and the crazies like us just waiting to see a mis step?
Ya want folks checking out your garbage?


138 posted on 01/16/2008 1:18:19 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Doc Savage

I’ll start looking for a source but I only became interested in this because of the firearms issue and the so-called black/silver gun. That black/silver gun issue is when I started to understand the gun issue was nonsense.

What started the conspiracty theorists on the father’s gun was because the relatives couldn’t produce any evidence of the serial number. They could identify the gun but if someone showed them one as the same make and model, the wife and son wouldn’t know the diffence between the two.


139 posted on 01/16/2008 3:21:29 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: IrishMike

I always thought there was something very bad about Vince Foster’s death. I doubt if the truth will ever come out. So many people that were in the Clinton’s Arkansas past have died mysteriously.


140 posted on 01/16/2008 3:26:36 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: dangerdoc

I’ll never forget a patient I had once in residency.

Young 15 year old or so boy and ER sheet said “GSW head”.

Sitting up on stretcher looking at me and talking to me.

Had been shot with .22 or .25.

Physical exam - hole between eyebrows.

Skull film and Angio - Slug lodged in sphenoid sinus literally millimeters from both ICA’s and the basilar artery.

Seems unlikely but I saw it with my own eyes.


141 posted on 01/16/2008 4:29:20 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Within a week of seeing that guy, I saw a man that tried the same thing using a 357 mag. He flinched, took out his entire right orbit, sat there talking to us with his frontal lobe exposed. Creepy.

The beginning of the same month, I took over the care of a young man who had been shot through and through the left hemisphere with a 9mm. I was told don’t worry about this guy, you won’t have anything to do, the organ team is waiting for him. 4 weeks later when I was about to rotate out of the Trauma center, he was still a patient of mine. One day, I read in the nurses note that he was wanting to know when his family was coming back to see him. I assumed that the nurse has written on the wrong chart. When I asked her about it, she said no, he talks. I asked her to show me, she walked up to him and covered his trach and asked him to say something. He opened his eyes and asked her what she wanted him to say. He could also move all of his extremities and was neurologically pretty good. Now you have to understand, I was in that guys room every day. I turned him over, pushed on his belly, listened to his lungs, I even checked his foley every day, he never said a word to me, he never even moved. The last thing I did there was fill out his rehab transfer.

In all, I saw three guys shot in the head that month, and as far as I know, all three of them walked out of the hospital.


142 posted on 01/16/2008 4:47:51 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: dangerdoc

I don’t recall any other miraculous GSW to head survivors - just that one.

But for some reason back around that time I still remember my all time highest Blood alcohol level.

It was a guy who had a .55 blood alcohol. He was lying face up on a stretcher. All he did was - and he did this about once every 10 seconds - he would spit straight up in the air and the spit would fall down right straight back down. And he just kept doing this.

Never forgot that. Sort of takes drunk and stupid to a whole other level.


143 posted on 01/16/2008 8:22:48 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Cedric

“It happens that way in every administration. “

Don’t tease, show your data on strange Reagan deaths! Or either Bush, such a “body count” report would be very popular!


144 posted on 04/03/2008 11:02:23 AM PDT by DBrow
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